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Posted: 3/21/2012 2:37:50 PM
with workers dying.

http://news.yahoo.com/workers-die-factories-used-tommy-hilfiger-003219691--abc-news.html


This type of garbage wouldnt happen in our country, thats why these dirtbags go overseas.

Just lock them in the factory, pay them pennies to make their products  I sure hope and pray that there is a hell, because theres gonna be a ton of scumbag ceo's there.
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Posted: 3/21/2012 2:45:55 PM
Until the consumer stops rewarding the companies (never), the government starts treating the companies like foreign entities (never) things will (never) change.

Eventually the Chinese people will revolt over being treated like ten cent mops and the gravy train will stop rewarding theft and abuse.

Gotta love excess profits!
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Posted: 3/21/2012 2:55:00 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

Until the consumer stops rewarding the companies (never), the government starts treating the companies like foreign entities (never) things will (never) change.

Eventually the Chinese people will revolt over being treated like ten cent mops and the gravy train will stop rewarding theft and abuse.

Gotta love excess profits!


yup

There is just not enough money for people today. If they have a billion dollars, they want 2 etc etc etc. They own 5 houses, now they want 10 that are triple the size of the first 5.
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Posted: 3/21/2012 2:56:36 PM

When the workers are working, why do they LOCK THE GATES?  What are they trying to prevent?  The workers from escaping?

As far as American consumers are concerned, we think these stories are scary, but scarier is the $6 T-shirt that would cost $20 if it was made in the USA.

It's kind of like Wal-mart.  People protest them coming to their town.  But after they are let in, they become addicted to their prices.

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Posted: 3/21/2012 3:06:03 PM
Gates are most likely locked to keep employees from stealing.

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Posted: 3/21/2012 3:30:44 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by promark12:

When the workers are working, why do they LOCK THE GATES?  What are they trying to prevent?  The workers from escaping?

As far as American consumers are concerned, we think these stories are scary, but scarier is the $6 T-shirt that would cost $20 if it was made in the USA.

It's kind of like Wal-mart.  People protest them coming to their town.  But after they are let in, they become addicted to their prices.

Good points but I personally would rather buy American and have it cost a bit more. Not an endorsement of any union vs non union BS just prefer to see products made and sold here.

 

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Posted: 3/21/2012 4:10:16 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by lordspoint:

Good points but I personally would rather buy American and have it cost a bit more. Not an endorsement of any union vs non union BS just prefer to see products made and sold here.

 


exactly  I would rather pay a few more dollars for things made in our country, knowing people have got jobs and are able to take care of their families.
In the long run, this helps everybody, because with more people working, that means there is more people sharing in paying taxes and not just putting the burden on the ones who have the jobs right now, plus it will mean less people on the social programs.
And things made in our country are just better made. You buy a pair of socks now and your lucky if they dont have holes in them after 30 days.
I just wish someday the fatcats would realize they dont need hundreds of billions of profits sitting in their accounts to be happy in life, especially at the expense of people in our country being unemployed.
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Posted: 3/21/2012 4:16:01 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by cd329:


exactly  I would rather pay a few more dollars for things made in our country, knowing people have got jobs and are able to take care of their families.
In the long run, this helps everybody, because with more people working, that means there is more people sharing in paying taxes and not just putting the burden on the ones who have the jobs right now, plus it will mean less people on the social programs.
And things made in our country are just better made. You buy a pair of socks now and your lucky if they dont have holes in them after 30 days.
I just wish someday the fatcats would realize they dont need hundreds of billions of profits sitting in their accounts to be happy in life, especially at the expense of people in our country being unemployed.


no one is stopping you.

i would like for jobs to be here as well but with a 35% corporate tax rate (small business pays corporate rates), new EPA regs, Obamacare, minimum wage laws, why would anyone hire in this country?

on minimum wage, some people's labor is worth $6 an hour to an employer. according to the government and those smart ivy league folks, we arent allowed to employ him at $6 an hour so we dont employ him and he sits home and gets subsidized for more than $6 an hour

makes sense doesn't it? minimum wage laws actually increase unemployment; just as union shops keep wages low be protecting bad workers
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Posted: 3/21/2012 4:30:11 PM
Koaj,

Spare the corporate sob story, last I checked corporate earnings are at historic highs.

Come on with that crap..

So the affordability has to come off the backs of the worker yet again..how shocking.
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Posted: 3/21/2012 11:25:43 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

Koaj,

Spare the corporate sob story, last I checked corporate earnings are at historic highs.

Come on with that crap..

So the affordability has to come off the backs of the worker yet again..how shocking.
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Posted: 3/21/2012 11:29:52 PM

tommy hilfiger

 

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Posted: 3/22/2012 12:01:45 AM
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Posted: 3/22/2012 12:15:17 AM
Sorry KOAJ but you are out of touch or just reading bad blogs. Even thou we have one of the highest corporate rates, after all the tricks the companies use thanks to the politicians, they are paying some of the lowest rates in the last 60 years.
And like Wallstreet says, profits are a an all time high, while paying taxes is at an all time low.

And when i talk about business, am not talking about small business, am talking about the big companies who are screwing this country over.

My wife owns her own business and she doesnt have any of the tricks the fatcats have, so she ends up paying a bunch in taxes.

So i know what small businesses face daily. Its these big corporate companies who i am not gonna shed 1 tear over.
Locking people in buildings, paying people 16 cents an hour and making them work 16 hour days. Come on man if you are a human being, you should be disgusted and mad as hell over garbage like that.
Also please stop with the union stuff, its old now.  Even if there wasnt a union in the country, companies like apple are still gonna have their products made overseas using slave labor, unless are non union people agree to work for the same wages they can get over there. So it doesnt matter if its union or non union labor here, theya re still going overseas and thats a fact, you just for some reason wont open your eyes and see that.
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Posted: 3/22/2012 12:30:52 AM
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Sorry KOAJ but you are out of touch or just reading bad blogs. Even thou we have one of the highest corporate rates, after all the tricks the companies use thanks to the politicians, they are paying some of the lowest rates in the last 60 years.
And like Wallstreet says, profits are a an all time high, while paying taxes is at an all time low.

And when i talk about business, am not talking about small business, am talking about the big companies who are screwing this country over.

My wife owns her own business and she doesnt have any of the tricks the fatcats have, so she ends up paying a bunch in taxes.

So i know what small businesses face daily. Its these big corporate companies who i am not gonna shed 1 tear over.
Locking people in buildings, paying people 16 cents an hour and making them work 16 hour days. Come on man if you are a human being, you should be disgusted and mad as hell over garbage like that.
Also please stop with the union stuff, its old now.  Even if there wasnt a union in the country, companies like apple are still gonna have their products made overseas using slave labor, unless are non union people agree to work for the same wages they can get over there. So it doesnt matter if its union or non union labor here, theya re still going overseas and thats a fact, you just for some reason wont open your eyes and see that.

CD there has to be a fair effort on the employer to offer fair wages and bennies and there has to be a fair effort for the workers to earn that fair wage.

We do live in a global market place whether you guys want to face that fact or not. When you talk goods and services there is no division between one country or another. If I own a business, I'm gonna go where the money conveyor belt runs the smoothest. There is nothing wrong with that line of thinking.

You can either start your own company, get paid a competitive wage to help, or you can sit on the sidelines like a little kid who just dropped his ice cream cone in the mud.

Whether you admit it or not, and I don't want to get into another battle about this, I really believe that organized labor played a big part of pushing steel industries overseas.

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Posted: 3/22/2012 1:27:01 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by bowlslit:

CD there has to be a fair effort on the employer to offer fair wages and bennies and there has to be a fair effort for the workers to earn that fair wage.

We do live in a global market place whether you guys want to face that fact or not. When you talk goods and services there is no division between one country or another. If I own a business, I'm gonna go where the money conveyor belt runs the smoothest. There is nothing wrong with that line of thinking.

You can either start your own company, get paid a competitive wage to help, or you can sit on the sidelines like a little kid who just dropped his ice cream cone in the mud.

Whether you admit it or not, and I don't want to get into another battle about this, I really believe that organized labor played a big part of pushing steel industries overseas.



First off darn all this global bullshit. That needs to stop and each country needs to start taking care of their own country.
Now with that said, we have been over this like a million times and i still dont understand why you cant grasp what am gonna explain to you.
These companies that go overseas are friggin over the very country you live in and if you cared even one bit about it, you would be pissed off and not give a flying garbage how much more money they will make for using slave labor.
Secondly when these phony American companies bring their goods back here to sell they are escaping the import taxes. Fine you want to make your goods overseas, then your gonna be taxed with the import tax.  Why should our country not tax these companies"? They sure as hell arent bringing the goods back here and giving the American people a cost break on the products?
Then on top of not paying any import taxes, they use every trick in the book to get out of paying income tax.
So really bowl how can you sit here day after day defending these companies who are not helping the country and only hurting it.
This is what i find truly mind boggling about a few of you guys on this site and how you keep defending these companies?  Why?
Lucky am not in charge and had the power to change things, because these phony American companies wouldnt know what hit them and i wouldnt give a damn if they went out of business because the skelton crews they use in our country could be replaced by new companies.

But hey you go right ahead and keep defending these companies.
Apple using 16 cents an hour labor. How the darn are we gonna compete with that garbage. Do you want our people to work for 15 cents an hour in order to get the jobs to come back here.
Honestly i dont even know why i bother responding to guys like you with your corporate suck hole posts. They must have you brain washed real good at your insurance company.

Just remember your posts on this subject, if the day comes when they ship your job overseas. I wonder if you will be so giddy about the company making bigger profits for themselves at your expense. Remember what goes around comes around. That bad karma is getting close to your door.
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Posted: 3/22/2012 1:30:33 AM
also i found the acoa 2010 contract and it appears the workers are part of the united steel workers union.
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Posted: 3/22/2012 1:37:40 AM
Pretty Ironic that you are against "Global Bullshit", yet tout a president who has gone to war for the credibility of the UN and Arab League.  

You might be interested in the incentives in our tax payer dollars that went to GM plants in Mexico with bailout money?

Maybe the GE tax situation, haha,  but why would you make your Jobs Czar pay taxes on his company?  


I agree with what you are saying CD, but until you realize that this clown (who I know you are not 100% on board with) is a major driver of this bullshit, your point is moot.  

People hear 1% and think GOP.  

It is not the case.  Some of the most dastardly operators have a serious hold on this administration.  JPMorgan, Goldman, GE, GM, Many Gas and oil companies. 
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Posted: 3/22/2012 1:43:05 AM
People hear anti-1% and think anti-GOP.  

and that occupy movement therefore is not anti-Obama...

It is funny how the clowns with their partisan Spin really cloud the whole issue of the one world government...

If you see someone demonizing the liberals/conservatives you are probably looking at someone who is knowingly or unknowingly in their ignorance supporting the one world government...



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Posted: 3/22/2012 1:54:25 AM
I bet that anyone in the 1% can't say they got there without gaming our government in some way.  Even athletes and movie stars benefit from government money that is injected into their sector. 

I am thinking of tax write offs and bonuses for making movies. 

Or , Jerry jones counting his billions because he had the people of texas foot the bill for his new stadium etc. 

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Posted: 3/22/2012 2:10:44 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by rick3117:

Pretty Ironic that you are against "Global Bullshit", yet tout a president who has gone to war for the credibility of the UN and Arab League.  

You might be interested in the incentives in our tax payer dollars that went to GM plants in Mexico with bailout money?

Maybe the GE tax situation, haha,  but why would you make your Jobs Czar pay taxes on his company?  


I agree with what you are saying CD, but until you realize that this clown (who I know you are not 100% on board with) is a major driver of this bullshit, your point is moot.  

People hear 1% and think GOP.  

It is not the case.  Some of the most dastardly operators have a serious hold on this administration.  JPMorgan, Goldman, GE, GM, Many Gas and oil companies. 


Rick, why do you keep saying hes my man. Yes i voted for him and it was a big mistake, which i have said over and over again. Hes not a good President, but in his only defense, i dont think anybody would be a good President right now.
Also if McCain wouldnt have picked Palin as his VP, he would have got my vote, not that we would be better off right now, but i would have given the guy a shot.

yes i know about the things you mention, like GE and the money going to gm plants in mexico. Iam not happy about it one bit.
As far as the companies not paying taxes, i dont want to see any of them getting away with it and i dont care if GE is best friends with Obama, i still want the person to pay their taxes and not actually get 3 billion back in tax payers cash. Thye paid no taxes on 14 billion profits and on top of that got 3 billion in taxes back.
darn all these crooks and all the politicians who are way to close to all these fatcats.

And yes if i was in charge, this global bullshit would stop. Let each country take care of themselves and if a country cant make a certain product, only then would imports be allowed to come in.  Thats just my opinion.
I love my country and want to see everybody have a chance at a good job and it really pisses me off seeing companies like apple paying people 16 cents an hour, so they can make billions and billions in profits. It just plain pisses me off.
Think about it, am already retired, theres nothing in it for me, am speaking out for the younger guys like you and the kids, because if this bullshit isnt some how stopped, there wont be a country for the kids to grow up in. There certainly wont be any jobs.
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Posted: 3/22/2012 2:17:09 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by rick3117:

I bet that anyone in the 1% can't say they got there without gaming our government in some way.  Even athletes and movie stars benefit from government money that is injected into their sector. 

I am thinking of tax write offs and bonuses for making movies. 

Or , Jerry jones counting his billions because he had the people of texas foot the bill for his new stadium etc. 



all of these things that you mention is for sure killing our country.
This crap needs to stop. Both sides are doing it, just each side has their own selections on who gets the benefits. Its sickening.
Sports teams shouldnt hold cities hostage and make tax payers foot the bill for their stadiums and teams.

You know what really amazes me, is the economy is bad, yet all the stadiums and arenas are filled everyday. Really when are people going to scale back all this sports garbage?  just crazy
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Posted: 3/22/2012 2:22:12 AM
I Tried to distance you from Obama a bit CD.  I know he is not making you proud. 

I am just trying to illustrate that we all want the same thing. We have ideological differences, but at the end of the day we do not want to be sold out to multinational corporations, huge oppressive govt, and would like the opportunity to let our own country grow as opposed to utilizing slave labor in other countries. 

I think we are about to get it, as a country,  I think that our eyes are opening.  

It is not the Republicans, or Democrats that we are against. 

It is the scourge of globalism, crooked deals in govt, and the influence that money plays in politics. 

I wish we could put a moratorium on every piece of legislation aside from rooting out corruption, crushing globalism, and clawing back our futures from the 1% in China, Europe, not to mention the ones in our own country that have sold us out. .  





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Posted: 3/22/2012 2:26:21 AM
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all of these things that you mention is for sure killing our country.
This crap needs to stop. Both sides are doing it, just each side has their own selections on who gets the benefits. Its sickening.
Sports teams shouldnt hold cities hostage and make tax payers foot the bill for their stadiums and teams.

You know what really amazes me, is the economy is bad, yet all the stadiums and arenas are filled everyday. Really when are people going to scale back all this sports garbage?  just crazy

I personally boycotted the NBA this year. I have not watched a single game. 
I usually go to a few a year (Wizards) when I am back home because I have a buddy who has season tickets.  I usually drop $200 a night on drinks when we go, but that is money that they will never get from me again.  
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Posted: 3/22/2012 7:05:53 AM
cd - very few companies have the lawyers and lobbying to pull off the negative tax rate like GE or get subsidies...most businesses like myself pay the 35% or somewhere close to it. of course i have expenses and can bring my effective rate down

capital is only loyal to itself. if a company wants to stay home and produce the same goods for double the cost they are free to do that. however they need to pass this cost along to consumers. if they cant they go out of business

very simple concept. you seem to think that with a magic wand, all these greedy 1% anti union business owners should earn less and employ americans. in your next breath you will complain about price gouging
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Posted: 3/22/2012 7:11:44 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

Koaj,

Spare the corporate sob story, last I checked corporate earnings are at historic highs.

Come on with that crap..

So the affordability has to come off the backs of the worker yet again..how shocking.


profits are high because productivity is way up. has nothing to do with a good economy. companies use recessions to get lean and trim fat which is a good thing for them. get more work done with less employees at less cost

you act as if all profits have to be reinvested into an expanding labor force when there is no demand for more labor. if i make "excess" profits in my business, do i need to hire someone or can i keep the profits and work 10 more hours a week? am i still free to determine how i use my profits?

so with 20 million people out of work, business owners should over pay for labor???

is this argument for real? labor is a product like any other commodity. its measured in supply and demand.

don't think i am a corporate shill or a fan of globalists who have bought favors from the us government, i'm not
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