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#26 Posted: 2/10/2012 3:13:00 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by ClubDirt:
i wonder if cutting the federal government, in and of itself, is necessarily an improvement.
When like RP handles it I would imagine not. When you cut due to overlap or repetition, or consolidation then maybe so.
Clinton closed bases..that just cut overlapping costs.
If you really want to cut costs I have plenty to cut..but it never happens because of PAC money/lobbyists.
First stop giving freebies to profitable businesses and farmers..next stop giving aid to countries that dont need it, next consolidate government offices to cut fixed costs.
Plenty of ways to start cutting without playing the shuffle game like RP wants, or turning isolationist like he also wants.
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#27 Posted: 2/10/2012 3:27:45 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by cashin:
Easpecially when you consider the wars, nation building & MIC/defense contractors buildup. Not to mention the needless loss of life & the ones maimed physically and/or psychologically & what that does to their families & loved ones. Has a far greater & further reaching impact than most realize to the spirit of the country.
Reagan - bad
Bush 1 - worse
Bush 2/Cheney - worst ever
Exactly. Yet you STILL have HALF the country clamouring to elect the exact same thing by supporting any of these GOP candidates.
It's one thing if you criticize Obama, ok I get that. He's been far from perfect and hasn't exactly delivered on his 'hope and change' mandate. But if you criticize Obama, and then turn around and support one of the GOP guys, or think things will get better if the GOP are elected, then you are a stooge. Plain and simple. You're one of the people being played by the system of division and endless partisanship.
Considering the Dems and Repubs have become so corrupt they basically represent the same interests, it's really baseless partisanship.  |
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#28 Posted: 2/10/2012 3:37:49 PM New poll info I found interesting-
Fox poll has Willard up 33-23 over Rick S.
Rasmussen has Obama 46-42 over Rick, but 50-42 over Willard nationally and in Fla 47-46 over Rick with Willard down 47-44 to Obama.
A whole lot of Dems have taken to Rick. |
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#29 Posted: 2/10/2012 3:46:31 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by don juan: That's the same ole right wing rhetoric that I've heard for 32 years. Ron Paul included... Cut spending, smaller government. Yet, every time they win, nothing happens, if fact it gets worse.
That's exactly what I'm so sick of. I'm sick of all the people still being spoon fed this rhetoric, and loving it. Buying the same lies the GOP have been selling for 30 years about open markets, and free trade, and government intrusion, and trickle-down economics, and tax breaks etc. etc. It goes on and on, and both parties endorse much of it to an extent.
People have been lied to so much they believe it, and now BOTH parties pander to this misguided and simplistic position.
The dumbing down of America has it's consequences. Has anybody seen the movie Idiocracy?  
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#30 Posted: 2/10/2012 4:34:57 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by ClubDirt:
i wonder if cutting the federal government, in and of itself, is necessarily an improvement.
wall - ron paul will never speak to what you want to hear because you want a central planner. he isnt that
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#31 Posted: 2/10/2012 4:38:10 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:
When like RP handles it I would imagine not. When you cut due to overlap or repetition, or consolidation then maybe so.
Clinton closed bases..that just cut overlapping costs.
If you really want to cut costs I have plenty to cut..but it never happens because of PAC money/lobbyists.
First stop giving freebies to profitable businesses and farmers..next stop giving aid to countries that dont need it, next consolidate government offices to cut fixed costs.
Plenty of ways to start cutting without playing the shuffle game like RP wants, or turning isolationist like he also wants.
North Korea is isolationist
Switzerland is non interventionist...they still trade with other countries and allow vacationers
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Calling RonPaul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit
because he doesn't come on your property and break your windows...
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#32 Posted: 2/10/2012 4:42:08 PM
Remind you of anyone Link.
If your litmus test for honesty is what has happened in the past with different people, then I suppose that you will not be voting in this election?
Do you actually think that the Dems are any better when it comes to rhetoric? or Lying to the voter?
Come the darn on. Dumbing down of America indeed.
Ron Paul has voted consistently with the Constitution for his entire tenure in congress. Not many people can claim that. He has come out with some very controversial statements when it would have been good for his career to not speak out. IE the wars, and the foreign spending.
What specifically don't you like about him?
The fact that he believes that we don't need to police the world?
The fact that the banking system is completely corrupt from the Top Down?
I am not sure I even understand the hate towards him. To say that he is saying the "same things" is pretty ludicrous and just shows how lazy you guys can be.
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#33 Posted: 2/10/2012 4:43:42 PM
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either they dont understand his positions or are attached to the State and dont want that gravy train rocked
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#34 Posted: 2/10/2012 4:46:44 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by KOAJ:
North Korea is isolationist
Switzerland is non interventionist...they still trade with other countries and allow vacationers
stole the below from a friend
Calling RonPaul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit
because he doesn't come on your property and break your windows...
Just typical of someone who is not concerned with facts, Typical FOX / MSNBC propaganda.
If you think that Isolationism = not bombing everyone in the name of empire, then yeah, it's isolationism.
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#35 Posted: 2/10/2012 4:49:29 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by KOAJ:
I am not sure I even understand the hate towards him.
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either they dont understand his positions or are attached to the State and dont want that gravy train rocked
Well, we know Disco is attached to the state. Are you afraid they are going to take away your SS Wallstreet? That is a valid concern. It would make a lot more sense than not liking someone based on the "politicians lie" footing. |
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#36 Posted: 2/10/2012 4:54:58 PM
http://www.dailypaul.com/128188/the-constitution-does-not-protect-our-property
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#37 Posted: 2/10/2012 5:12:28 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by KOAJ:
I am not sure I even understand the hate towards him.
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either they dont understand his positions or are attached to the State and dont want that gravy train rocked
70% of the federal government's budget goes to individual assistance programs....certainly that can't be right ?? |
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#38 Posted: 2/10/2012 5:42:29 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by rick3117: Worked in Egypt, Libya, Tunis, etc. Why not America, all they have to do is start shooting and we win.
This Government is a stinking rotted corpse of it's former self. I see nobody that could change the situation more than Ron Paul, Just acknowledgement the Constitution would be a great start. Ending wars and aid to countries that are unnecessary. Focusing on domestic prosperity instead of outsourcing our prosperity elsewhere. Strengthening our sovereignty instead of giving it to the UN and World Bank.
These are all steps in the right direction. I do not know what the man plans on having for lunch next Sunday, but I know that his ideas are nothing short of revolutionary when you take into account the status quo that we have seen for 50-75 years.
Forget this election, who in HISTORY has ever campaigned on tearing down the machine, and restoring constitutional liberty.  |
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#39 Posted: 2/10/2012 5:45:16 PM santorum is a friggin nutjob
he honestly believes the garbage he vomits
and he's got crazy eyes man |
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#40 Posted: 2/10/2012 6:31:50 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by KOAJ: wall - ron paul will never speak to what you want to hear because you want a central planner. he isnt that
Thats a bunch of horsesh!t, what proof do you have to validate this absurd comment?
So anyone who thinks RP is a bad candidate is a liberal central planner..
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#41 Posted: 2/10/2012 7:01:06 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by rick3117:
Well, we know Disco is attached to the state. Are you afraid they are going to take away your SS Wallstreet? That is a valid concern. It would make a lot more sense than not liking someone based on the "politicians lie" footing.
I assume you're mad because of what I said about open markets etc.
You may not like the concept of what I promote, but I don't like the results that 30 years of this type of right wing policy has provided. It's a concerted effort to ensure a 'trickle up' system. It's a pro 1% based approach. The proof is in the pudding. It's not even debatable, neoliberal economic policy greatly benefits the rich. That's it. In fact, it almost crashed the economy and entire global financial system. There is ample evidence to support this. Do you not agree?
Yet as I said, people ignore the evidence, and half the country is lining up to vote GOP....based on exactly the same rhetoric promoting deregulation and free markets etc. |
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#42 Posted: 2/10/2012 7:05:41 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by rick3117: Yeah, same rhetoric.
Remind you of anyone Link.
If your litmus test for honesty is what has happened in the past with different people, then I suppose that you will not be voting in this election?
Do you actually think that the Dems are any better when it comes to rhetoric? or Lying to the voter?
Come the darn on. Dumbing down of America indeed.
Ron Paul has voted consistently with the Constitution for his entire tenure in congress. Not many people can claim that. He has come out with some very controversial statements when it would have been good for his career to not speak out. IE the wars, and the foreign spending.
What specifically don't you like about him?
The fact that he believes that we don't need to police the world?
The fact that the banking system is completely corrupt from the Top Down?
I am not sure I even understand the hate towards him. To say that he is saying the "same things" is pretty ludicrous and just shows how lazy you guys can be.
I love his questions
I just hate his answers, because he doesn't have any  |
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#43 Posted: 2/10/2012 7:06:15 PM
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#44 Posted: 2/10/2012 7:17:50 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by captjohn67:
70% of the federal government's budget goes to individual assistance programs....certainly that can't be right ??
Who knows ? There hasn't been a federal budget for 1017 days,, |
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#45 Posted: 2/10/2012 7:21:16 PM |
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#46 Posted: 2/10/2012 7:25:47 PM
I see Santorum for Pres ads at the top of this page currently and about every other page on Covers I go to. |
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#47 Posted: 2/10/2012 7:38:12 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by be easy:
your premise assumes that the problems we have today, began 30 years ago. That is wholly false
Don't you think that depends on the *kinds* of problems we're talking about?
Many of which DID start ~30 years ago.
Or have there been no new problems since the great Reagan?
Ladies & Gentlemen...the GOP induced perception of reality bubble  |
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#48 Posted: 2/10/2012 7:39:51 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by darkhorse12:
Change will never come from the top down, it must come from the bottom up.
Yup. Let me know when it's time to kick the bums out. |
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#49 Posted: 2/10/2012 9:16:40 PM
Do you think the bailouts were "right wing free market solutions"?
That was the largest handout to the 1% that ever took place.
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#50 Posted: 2/10/2012 9:28:31 PM
Why do you even use the words free markets? They dont exist.
The reason capitalism is flawed is the same reason socialism is, the same reason every form of economic structure is.
Free markets are a utopian term for text books or philosophical musing. |
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