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Author: [Politics] Topic: IM GETTING SICK AND TIRED OF BEING ACCUSED OF BEING LAZY BECAUSE IM A DEMOCRAT
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Posted: 12/15/2011 7:09:23 PM

For those of you who have done well and have plenty stashed away, congratulations.  And I mean that sincerely.  A vast majority of you probably worked your behind off and made some good decisions along the way.

What ticks me off is so many of you claiming that if you're a Democrat and support Obama, you are LAZY, SUPPORT WELFARE, DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT OUR COUNTRY, ABUSE THE SYSTEM, etc. 

FALSE to all of the above!

I've worked HARD all my life.  I wasn't fortunate to go to college.  But at times I've had 3 jobs at one time  I currently make only 30% of what I used to make 5 years ago.  The customers just don't have the disposable income that they used to have and I don't blame them for spending less.

As the economy has hit the tank, those of us who don't make as much as you guys get hit harder.  Jobs are scarce, the prices are going up.  New car?  Out of the question  Going to a restaruant for dinner?  Out of the question. 

And then you read posts by people who have the income to weather the storm better than those who do not telling me that I'm lazy.

WRONG.  Your mind is lazy by not understanding just how hard it is.  And some of your comments are like throwing salt at the wounds of fellow Americans.

I may be a lefty, but I do celebrate Christmas and the 4th of July too and with pride.

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Posted: 12/15/2011 8:09:51 PM

I didn't go to college either, Pro.

Doesn't mean we can't have a point of view.

I'm a rightie.

But I don't want to throw grandma off a cliff!!!   

 

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Posted: 12/15/2011 8:21:37 PM

Glendef, I have a lot of demo friends, all of them work, none get welfare, and those people who do get welfare and vote are probably down on their luck.  Those who do get welfare and are lazy probably don't vote any way.

There are a lot of democrats out there, and to label them lazy is totaly unfair.

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Posted: 12/15/2011 10:51:33 PM

Pro, if I knew more Dems that were like you.....I would have more respect for Democrats.

I fully believe that Democratic politicians have made their living and campagins off the entitled and lazy along with the old school needed democratic way of thinking.  Just like I think Republican politicians make their living off the greedy corporate side along with the middle class american who is tired of paying for Harry Reids entitled group.

 

 

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Posted: 12/15/2011 10:55:57 PM

Do the "entitled and lazy" take the time to get off their rumps and vote?  Probably not.

And since Democrats and Republicans vote in basically even numbers, that means there are a lot of hard-working Democrats out there.

Sometimes I insinuate that some Republicans act racist, such as the Birthers who have taken on only: Obama, Jindal and Rubio, 3 non-white guys.  But that doesn't mean that I think all Republicans are racist, in fact I think it's a very small minority, one that actually brings down the whole party.

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Pro...you're right there are a lot of hard working Dems out there.  A lot a of hard working dems that get a bad name from the "entitled and lazy" group. If you'll notice from my post, I showed flaws in both groups.  If you don't see that flaw, that's something I can't point out.
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Posted: 12/15/2011 11:10:49 PM
Democrats would rather protest for 8 hours about something they may not be sure about for free.........Thats not lazy, granted it only may be a few days out of the year.

I feel as though I know a lot of people and for whatever reason it just seems true on a percentage basis that my democrat friends/associates dont make wise choices often regarding the future. For example being happy to collect 99 weeks of unemployment knowing they will be screwed when it runs out. I know several democrats who are collecting or have maxed out their unemployment, honestly and I have 0 republican friends/associates who are not currently on unemployment. What are the odds?
I just think it all goes back to do I want to take care of myself ? Or do I want a big government and the rich to take care of me ? 
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Posted: 12/15/2011 11:15:39 PM

You and I have different friends.  I'm serious, NONE of my friends are on unemployment.  And in this economy, that may just be lucky, but when 350 show up for job openings at McDonalds, that's a sign of bad times and probably 345 Democrats that are thirsting to work.

As far as using benefits to the max, what about those millionaire race horse owners that McConnell wants to subsidize, and guess what, MY tax dollars is going to their welfare. 

Nobody else but me has said one word about welfare for the lazy rich,

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Posted: 12/15/2011 11:23:41 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by promark12:

You and I have different friends.  I'm serious, NONE of my friends are on unemployment.  And in this economy, that may just be lucky, but when 350 show up for job openings at McDonalds, that's a sign of bad times and probably 345 Democrats that are thirsting to work.

As far as using benefits to the max, what about those millionaire race horse owners that McConnell wants to subsidize, and guess what, MY tax dollars is going to their welfare. 

Nobody else but me has said one word about welfare for the lazy rich,

 Speaking to somebody that made good points in that first post, that post is taking it downhill.  345 of 350 people being  Dems that show up for a min wage job interview.  Did you do a flash politcal party poll to see who stood where?  I apologize I guess I spoke to soon and your opinion is that of most Dems I know.

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Posted: 12/15/2011 11:30:09 PM
Not to change the subject but has Senator John Kerry paid the state of Massachusetts, the state he represents, the taxes owed on his yacht that he tried to register in Rhode Island? The answer is NO. Yet he wants to raise taxes on the air you breathe.
You mention you earn only 30% of what you used to....why? The simple answer is taxes and/or money you pay, or those businesses you talk about pay, to people who aren't even citizens.
You say you work hard and I'll pat you on the back for doing so but the simple question is why why do you work and have to pay for welfare lifers? I wrote about a sting in Massachusetts for EBT fraud for crack.....how does that make you feel? And the Dems in Congress want to keep allowing this.
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Posted: 12/15/2011 11:47:14 PM

I work in an industry that gets paid in tips.  When my customers are making less, we have less business and I receive less in tips.  I don't blame the customers we still have nor do I think that they are being stingy.  I too tip less when I get the privlege to go out to eat (rare).  And I realize that the waiters/waitresses are making less at those restaruants too.  It's a vicious cycle.

It's very tough out here in middle-class land.  Worried that I won't be able to pay my bills, worried that I'll look at my work scedule and not see my name on it or show up to work one morning and see a closed sign in the window.

And then you see guys on this forum calling me and others lazy.   Have some sympathy for those who are struggling . . .

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Posted: 12/15/2011 11:48:25 PM

And to potter36:

WHAT EVER. 

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Posted: 12/16/2011 5:35:57 AM

What I think happens with the voting thing is this.

At the RomneyCare Health Ins offices in Mass, the attending workers aggressively force voter applications on its members. It doesn't matter if the recipient is a citizen or not. The message is clear: "At voting time, remember whose giving you this."

They do the same at the welfare office where the recipients get their food stamps and EBT cards re-charged.

I simply think this is wrong.

I'm for helping someone who needs the help. I think 75% of the people on these folks don't. There have been reports of the EBT cards being used to buy coke and booze. They sell the food stamps for .50 on the dollar on the black market.

I think the legitimate 25% who need the help should get it. I definitely have no problem helping someone who needs my help. Only thing is I don't like the idea of being mandate to do so. I have a problem with that.

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Posted: 12/16/2011 6:30:32 AM
stupid trumps lazy every time
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Posted: 12/16/2011 11:07:07 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by promark12:

And to potter36:

WHAT EVER. 

Excellent retort. 

And I hope you weren't referring to me in that previous post where you said "And then you see guys on this forum calling me and others lazy".  If you think I did, please go back and read the post.

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Posted: 12/16/2011 5:13:53 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by promark12:

I work in an industry that gets paid in tips.  When my customers are making less, we have less business and I receive less in tips.  I don't blame the customers we still have nor do I think that they are being stingy.  I too tip less when I get the privlege to go out to eat (rare).  And I realize that the waiters/waitresses are making less at those restaruants too.  It's a vicious cycle.

It's very tough out here in middle-class land.  Worried that I won't be able to pay my bills, worried that I'll look at my work scedule and not see my name on it or show up to work one morning and see a closed sign in the window.

And then you see guys on this forum calling me and others lazy.   Have some sympathy for those who are struggling . . .



Ron Paul wants to eliminate the tax on tips.
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Posted: 12/16/2011 5:19:10 PM
to the OP, are you talking about on covers or in real life?

dont get things twisted around, many think the lazy are mostly democrats, not that democrats are mostly lazy.
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Posted: 12/16/2011 5:19:22 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by glenndef62:

What I think happens with the voting thing is this.

At the RomneyCare Health Ins offices in Mass, the attending workers aggressively force voter applications on its members. It doesn't matter if the recipient is a citizen or not. The message is clear: "At voting time, remember whose giving you this."

They do the same at the welfare office where the recipients get their food stamps and EBT cards re-charged.

I simply think this is wrong.

I'm for helping someone who needs the help. I think 75% of the people on these folks don't. There have been reports of the EBT cards being used to buy coke and booze. They sell the food stamps for .50 on the dollar on the black market.

I think the legitimate 25% who need the help should get it. I definitely have no problem helping someone who needs my help. Only thing is I don't like the idea of being mandate to do so. I have a problem with that.


Why does it have to be a black thang?
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Um I'm not quite sure, but I don't think he meant black as in race.  Calm down canov
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QUOTE Originally Posted by jinvegas:

to the OP, are you talking about on covers or in real life?

dont get things twisted around, many think the lazy are mostly democrats, not that democrats are mostly lazy.


in my experience of working social services for people on wellfare, usually the people that worked in the field were democrats... maybe because they would get more money to pay their job...

but the people on wellfare, especially the non-minority wellfare recipients (which in reality by both numbers and dollars are the majority of the wellfare burden) were primarily republican....

trailer parks are weird that way, but that was the reality... 

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I believe it because the trailer park people seem to act like rural people.  And rural whites tend to be Republicans.  I say that because out here on the left coast (Calif)  the rural counties always go Republican, but as we all know, we have huge urban counties here that seal the deal for the demos.
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cano    THAT was funny!
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Posted: 12/17/2011 3:14:20 AM

My next door neighbor has a bumper sticker that reads "Republicans work hard so you don't have to".

I mean here's a Guy who inherited his farm from Daddy. So he draws a nice fat gov't check on his subsidies. He lives in Daddy's farm house. Uses Daddy's farm equipment the 3 months of the year that he actually works. And to cap it all off, he rents out 2 houses that he inherited from his ZDad's Brother who never married. That's his income.

I work 60-70 hours a week on the railroad. I was elected to Union office 5 months ago. So there's another 5-15 hours per week. I make a great living, but I bust my behind doing it.

He makes his living off of inherited rentals. Farms maybe 3 months of the year on land that was given to him and draws a subsidie check from the Gov't.

But he works hard so I don't have to. I swear I have had to talk myself outta going over there and just beating the hell outta him.

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Posted: 12/17/2011 8:46:52 PM
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in my experience of working social services for people on wellfare, usually the people that worked in the field were democrats... maybe because they would get more money to pay their job...

but the people on wellfare, especially the non-minority wellfare recipients (which in reality by both numbers and dollars are the majority of the wellfare burden) were primarily republican....

trailer parks are weird that way, but that was the reality... 



i would disagree, your personal experiences in small sample sizes in 1 part of the country doesnt mean its that way for the whole country.

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/593/haves-have-nots

http://pewresearch.org/assets/publications/593-5.gif

based on self decribed status as have or have not, 27% of R are have nots while 39% of D are have nots.

based on this survey, either youre experiences are an outlier, or your D people are doing fine but view themselves as not well off, no wonder they complain so much....

and while its not apples to apples,

a breakdown of R voters shows in 1996, 20.5% of R voters fall into the bottom 1/5 of income.

http://www.princeton.edu/~nmccarty/ineqpold.pdf

while the last census showed almost half the population was at the poverty line, which is in line with the known numbers that almost half the population pays no fed income tax.

given that 20.5% of R voters are in the bottom fifth of income, that means the vast majority of people below the poverty line would have to be D or I.

next time try not to extrapolate personal experience from a limited sample size onto the 3rd largest population in the world, you just make yourself look foolish
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Posted: 12/18/2011 12:12:05 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by centerpiece:

My next door neighbor has a bumper sticker that reads "Republicans work hard so you don't have to".

I mean here's a Guy who inherited his farm from Daddy. So he draws a nice fat gov't check on his subsidies. He lives in Daddy's farm house. Uses Daddy's farm equipment the 3 months of the year that he actually works. And to cap it all off, he rents out 2 houses that he inherited from his ZDad's Brother who never married. That's his income.

I work 60-70 hours a week on the railroad. I was elected to Union office 5 months ago. So there's another 5-15 hours per week. I make a great living, but I bust my behind doing it.

He makes his living off of inherited rentals. Farms maybe 3 months of the year on land that was given to him and draws a subsidie check from the Gov't.

But he works hard so I don't have to. I swear I have had to talk myself outta going over there and just beating the hell outta him.

 

You BLET or UTU ?  I'm a UTU General Chairman on CSX out of Willard, Ohio.

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