Mikael, you and your poll are so whacked out. People who have insurance dont want nothing to with any public option plan. All the damn free loaders want the public option, but they arent the majority in this country and politicians will soon realize this. If they ram this crap down our throats, they can all kiss their jobs goodbye. The 85 percent who like their insurance and get stuck with this public option crap, will vote these pieces of shit right out of office.
Also if the public option plan is so great, why is it in the bill that excludes the politicians from having to take it for themselves? Right there is all you need to know, that the plan is nothing but a big pile of shit.
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Mikael, you and your poll are so whacked out. People who have insurance dont want nothing to with any public option plan. All the damn free loaders want the public option, but they arent the majority in this country and politicians will soon realize this. If they ram this crap down our throats, they can all kiss their jobs goodbye. The 85 percent who like their insurance and get stuck with this public option crap, will vote these pieces of shit right out of office.
Also if the public option plan is so great, why is it in the bill that excludes the politicians from having to take it for themselves? Right there is all you need to know, that the plan is nothing but a big pile of shit.
I dont know what you are talking about Mikael. I love my current
insurance which for the measly sum of $475 per month( just for me) which gives me comprehensive coverage against every possible malady that I am not afflicted with. I know the premiun is a little high but it is unreasonable to expect CEO's like Bill Mcquire to accept less than1.7 billion in compensation for the fine work he is doing. And it is inconvenient to have to go to Canada
for 6 months to qualify for the surgery I need on the blood clotting
problem in my legs but it is a pre-existing condition.
The only thing I dont understand is the argument that the government cant run anything right, but our private companies dont want their competition. It would seem to me that incompetent competition would benefit our private insurers and prove that only they can provide the elite and inexpensive coverage the public is
used to receiving. I mean look at Medicare. Hey, come to think of
it, if I can last a few more years without dying of blood clots I can make it to Medicare age and have the surgery done here after all.
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I dont know what you are talking about Mikael. I love my current
insurance which for the measly sum of $475 per month( just for me) which gives me comprehensive coverage against every possible malady that I am not afflicted with. I know the premiun is a little high but it is unreasonable to expect CEO's like Bill Mcquire to accept less than1.7 billion in compensation for the fine work he is doing. And it is inconvenient to have to go to Canada
for 6 months to qualify for the surgery I need on the blood clotting
problem in my legs but it is a pre-existing condition.
The only thing I dont understand is the argument that the government cant run anything right, but our private companies dont want their competition. It would seem to me that incompetent competition would benefit our private insurers and prove that only they can provide the elite and inexpensive coverage the public is
used to receiving. I mean look at Medicare. Hey, come to think of
it, if I can last a few more years without dying of blood clots I can make it to Medicare age and have the surgery done here after all.
The only thing I dont understand is the argument that the government
cant run anything right, but our private companies dont want their
competition. ----------- therein lies the problem
conservatives want this thing fixed also...however, we know government is inept and costs way too much and HC companies are virtual monopolies...so restrict the barriers and push these companies to compete with each other.
government can be the watchdog to ensure no price fixing or collusion and simply enforce the laws on the books instead of creating tons of new ones
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The only thing I dont understand is the argument that the government
cant run anything right, but our private companies dont want their
competition. ----------- therein lies the problem
conservatives want this thing fixed also...however, we know government is inept and costs way too much and HC companies are virtual monopolies...so restrict the barriers and push these companies to compete with each other.
government can be the watchdog to ensure no price fixing or collusion and simply enforce the laws on the books instead of creating tons of new ones
Ya fixed so the likes of United (denial of) Healthcare can skim 35% off Medicare "Advantage" plans. you want to REALLY bankrupt the country just have the government give THEM the $$$ and let them "administer" it.
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conservatives want this thing fixed also...
Ya fixed so the likes of United (denial of) Healthcare can skim 35% off Medicare "Advantage" plans. you want to REALLY bankrupt the country just have the government give THEM the $$$ and let them "administer" it.
rink - i would absolve almost every government run program and push for private, free market solutions. government should be involved in a very limited role to ensure fair practices and no collusion...thats it
if i used libertarian would that be better? conservative and republic still get lumped together when they arent...not these days
re: the Medicare Part D that you're referring to is an atrocity and an awful program.
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rink - i would absolve almost every government run program and push for private, free market solutions. government should be involved in a very limited role to ensure fair practices and no collusion...thats it
if i used libertarian would that be better? conservative and republic still get lumped together when they arent...not these days
re: the Medicare Part D that you're referring to is an atrocity and an awful program.
and btw, cd329, I'm glad your happy with your current healthcare plan BUT what happens IF you lose your job OR you get some condition that may NOT be covered? have you read every page of your current plan?
when I retired from the airline, I went from making close to 10k per month and paying just under $200 for full medical with minimal co-pays and 50% dental to a "retirement" of $2400 per month of PBGC (because of the companies bankruptcy) and almost $1000 for COBRA medical and NO dental.
your life can CHANGE just like it has for millions of American workers that have lost THEIR jobs recently. sticking your head in the sand and saying "I got MINE" sets you up for the SAME screwing a lot of other people have taken.
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and btw, cd329, I'm glad your happy with your current healthcare plan BUT what happens IF you lose your job OR you get some condition that may NOT be covered? have you read every page of your current plan?
when I retired from the airline, I went from making close to 10k per month and paying just under $200 for full medical with minimal co-pays and 50% dental to a "retirement" of $2400 per month of PBGC (because of the companies bankruptcy) and almost $1000 for COBRA medical and NO dental.
your life can CHANGE just like it has for millions of American workers that have lost THEIR jobs recently. sticking your head in the sand and saying "I got MINE" sets you up for the SAME screwing a lot of other people have taken.
re: the Medicare Part D that you're referring to is an atrocity and an awful program.
I will agree with that completely, KOAJ, because it was just a complete Republican lead hijacking. I have NEVER heard of ANY government program where their was NO negotiation on price what so ever.
you want to see the so called health insurance industry back a single payer plan, just let them "administrate" it. they would just LOVE that just like Bush 41's "medicare advantage I mentioned earlier. you would see what your "free market" solution would end up with. how in the FUCK can you have a "free market" with a virtual monopoly? the taxpayer would take a screwing 10X WORSE than that FRAUD of that Part D prescription drug plan.
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re: the Medicare Part D that you're referring to is an atrocity and an awful program.
I will agree with that completely, KOAJ, because it was just a complete Republican lead hijacking. I have NEVER heard of ANY government program where their was NO negotiation on price what so ever.
you want to see the so called health insurance industry back a single payer plan, just let them "administrate" it. they would just LOVE that just like Bush 41's "medicare advantage I mentioned earlier. you would see what your "free market" solution would end up with. how in the FUCK can you have a "free market" with a virtual monopoly? the taxpayer would take a screwing 10X WORSE than that FRAUD of that Part D prescription drug plan.
and btw, cd329, I'm glad your happy with your current healthcare plan BUT what happens IF you lose your job OR you get some condition that may NOT be covered? have you read every page of your current plan?
when I retired from the airline, I went from making close to 10k per month and paying just under $200 for full medical with minimal co-pays and 50% dental to a "retirement" of $2400 per month of PBGC (because of the companies bankruptcy) and almost $1000 for COBRA medical and NO dental.
your life can CHANGE just like it has for millions of American workers that have lost THEIR jobs recently. sticking your head in the sand and saying "I got MINE" sets you up for the SAME screwing a lot of other people have taken.
how will the health bill help you? what will your costs be if passed?
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Quote Originally Posted by LeRinkRat:
and btw, cd329, I'm glad your happy with your current healthcare plan BUT what happens IF you lose your job OR you get some condition that may NOT be covered? have you read every page of your current plan?
when I retired from the airline, I went from making close to 10k per month and paying just under $200 for full medical with minimal co-pays and 50% dental to a "retirement" of $2400 per month of PBGC (because of the companies bankruptcy) and almost $1000 for COBRA medical and NO dental.
your life can CHANGE just like it has for millions of American workers that have lost THEIR jobs recently. sticking your head in the sand and saying "I got MINE" sets you up for the SAME screwing a lot of other people have taken.
how will the health bill help you? what will your costs be if passed?
re: the Medicare Part D that you're referring to is an atrocity and an awful program.
I will agree with that completely, KOAJ, because it was just a complete Republican lead hijacking. I have NEVER heard of ANY government program where their was NO negotiation on price what so ever.
you want to see the so called health insurance industry back a single payer plan, just let them "administrate" it. they would just LOVE that just like Bush 41's "medicare advantage I mentioned earlier. you would see what your "free market" solution would end up with. how in the FUCK can you have a "free market" with a virtual monopoly? the taxpayer would take a screwing 10X WORSE than that FRAUD of that Part D prescription drug plan.
get rid of the monopoly...allow you to buy a plan from any insurer in the 50 states not just nevada, just like car or home insurance
government needs to be a watchdog and enforce the current laws and prevent price fixing and collusion
this is the plan the GOP is offering (not supporting them, just pointing out there is an alternative to a government take over fuck job)
i do support the idea of any free market plan. government intervention is the problem, never the solution
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Quote Originally Posted by LeRinkRat:
re: the Medicare Part D that you're referring to is an atrocity and an awful program.
I will agree with that completely, KOAJ, because it was just a complete Republican lead hijacking. I have NEVER heard of ANY government program where their was NO negotiation on price what so ever.
you want to see the so called health insurance industry back a single payer plan, just let them "administrate" it. they would just LOVE that just like Bush 41's "medicare advantage I mentioned earlier. you would see what your "free market" solution would end up with. how in the FUCK can you have a "free market" with a virtual monopoly? the taxpayer would take a screwing 10X WORSE than that FRAUD of that Part D prescription drug plan.
get rid of the monopoly...allow you to buy a plan from any insurer in the 50 states not just nevada, just like car or home insurance
government needs to be a watchdog and enforce the current laws and prevent price fixing and collusion
this is the plan the GOP is offering (not supporting them, just pointing out there is an alternative to a government take over fuck job)
i do support the idea of any free market plan. government intervention is the problem, never the solution
rooster - Of course they do. He who has the gold makes the rules. This is all about power. Freedom is a dangerous thing to progressives (liberals) because they aren't able to tell you what you should do from their ivory "we are smarter" tower.
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rooster - Of course they do. He who has the gold makes the rules. This is all about power. Freedom is a dangerous thing to progressives (liberals) because they aren't able to tell you what you should do from their ivory "we are smarter" tower.
Americans do not want a goverment take over but on the other hand they do want a public option to be there in case you get fucked by the insurance companies.
No doubt abour that, all americans except the 20% hardcore republicans want a public option to be there as a back up.
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Americans do not want a goverment take over but on the other hand they do want a public option to be there in case you get fucked by the insurance companies.
No doubt abour that, all americans except the 20% hardcore republicans want a public option to be there as a back up.
and btw, cd329, I'm glad your happy with your current healthcare plan BUT what happens IF you lose your job OR you get some condition that may NOT be covered? have you read every page of your current plan?
when I retired from the airline, I went from making close to 10k per month and paying just under $200 for full medical with minimal co-pays and 50% dental to a "retirement" of $2400 per month of PBGC (because of the companies bankruptcy) and almost $1000 for COBRA medical and NO dental.
your life can CHANGE just like it has for millions of American workers that have lost THEIR jobs recently. sticking your head in the sand and saying "I got MINE" sets you up for the SAME screwing a lot of other people have taken.
LeRinkrat, Am very happy with my health insurance and i earned what i got. Why should my family have to be shoved into some crappy health plan, in order to help others get medical insurance? Majority of the people who dont have health insurance arte just looking for another govt handout at the expense of people like me. Am all for helping people, until it takes away from my family, which this bullshit crappy health plan will do.
Like i keep saying, if this plan is so good for everybody in the country, then why are the politicians passing this bill excluded from having to take it? That should tell you everything you need to know about this bill. Its good for us, but not them. Give me a break. I really dont know why some of guys dont start using a little common sense with this stuff.
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Quote Originally Posted by LeRinkRat:
and btw, cd329, I'm glad your happy with your current healthcare plan BUT what happens IF you lose your job OR you get some condition that may NOT be covered? have you read every page of your current plan?
when I retired from the airline, I went from making close to 10k per month and paying just under $200 for full medical with minimal co-pays and 50% dental to a "retirement" of $2400 per month of PBGC (because of the companies bankruptcy) and almost $1000 for COBRA medical and NO dental.
your life can CHANGE just like it has for millions of American workers that have lost THEIR jobs recently. sticking your head in the sand and saying "I got MINE" sets you up for the SAME screwing a lot of other people have taken.
LeRinkrat, Am very happy with my health insurance and i earned what i got. Why should my family have to be shoved into some crappy health plan, in order to help others get medical insurance? Majority of the people who dont have health insurance arte just looking for another govt handout at the expense of people like me. Am all for helping people, until it takes away from my family, which this bullshit crappy health plan will do.
Like i keep saying, if this plan is so good for everybody in the country, then why are the politicians passing this bill excluded from having to take it? That should tell you everything you need to know about this bill. Its good for us, but not them. Give me a break. I really dont know why some of guys dont start using a little common sense with this stuff.
Americans do not want a goverment take over but on the other hand they do want a public option to be there in case you get fucked by the insurance companies.
No doubt abour that, all americans except the 20% hardcore republicans want a public option to be there as a back up.
Really what world are you living in? A public option is a take over of the health system. Every company that is paying for employees health insurance will pay a fee to the govt and put all their employees into the public option system. So the end result will be is the insurance companies go out of business and everybody ends up in the govt plan. Why some of you dont understand what the public option means, totally amazes me.
PUBLIC OPTION = GOVT TAKEOVER END OF STORY.
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Quote Originally Posted by Mikael99:
Americans do not want a goverment take over but on the other hand they do want a public option to be there in case you get fucked by the insurance companies.
No doubt abour that, all americans except the 20% hardcore republicans want a public option to be there as a back up.
Really what world are you living in? A public option is a take over of the health system. Every company that is paying for employees health insurance will pay a fee to the govt and put all their employees into the public option system. So the end result will be is the insurance companies go out of business and everybody ends up in the govt plan. Why some of you dont understand what the public option means, totally amazes me.
cd329 - republican lies. You might be wiser in 5 years time when you still have your insurance.
Its not lies Mikael, read the damn bill. Employers will be allowed to pay a fee and dump their employees into the public option plan. Its right there in the fuckin bill. Do you think employers are not going to do and instead keep paying when they dont have to? Wake up.
Also i keep asking you, but you have no answer. If this govt run shit is so great, then why do the politicians get excluded from having to take this public option plan? Why did they make sure they put that shit in the bill? Because they dont want to be stuck with this piece of shit coverage, thats why.
People really must be brain dead to even remotely think that our govt will be capable of running the entire health system. All thats going to happen is more cushy govt jobs will be created for politicians family and friends. But as far as medical care goes, the people will suffer bigtime.
Govt needs to fix the insurance industry, not take it over. This is not what our country was founded on.
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Quote Originally Posted by Mikael99:
cd329 - republican lies. You might be wiser in 5 years time when you still have your insurance.
Its not lies Mikael, read the damn bill. Employers will be allowed to pay a fee and dump their employees into the public option plan. Its right there in the fuckin bill. Do you think employers are not going to do and instead keep paying when they dont have to? Wake up.
Also i keep asking you, but you have no answer. If this govt run shit is so great, then why do the politicians get excluded from having to take this public option plan? Why did they make sure they put that shit in the bill? Because they dont want to be stuck with this piece of shit coverage, thats why.
People really must be brain dead to even remotely think that our govt will be capable of running the entire health system. All thats going to happen is more cushy govt jobs will be created for politicians family and friends. But as far as medical care goes, the people will suffer bigtime.
Govt needs to fix the insurance industry, not take it over. This is not what our country was founded on.
These discussions just show where in life you are.
Most of people on Covers are early in life, maybe middle of life then you have a few who are in the further portion of life.
When you are earning money and not needing healthcare it is a drain on the country, unnecessary, only deserving to the earners etc etc.
As you age your views change and priorities change.
People are selfish period, includng many who comment here.
It is obvious why we live on such low levels of the hierarchy chart, people in this country feel entitled and NOBODY wants to pay anything for someone outside themselves.
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These discussions just show where in life you are.
Most of people on Covers are early in life, maybe middle of life then you have a few who are in the further portion of life.
When you are earning money and not needing healthcare it is a drain on the country, unnecessary, only deserving to the earners etc etc.
As you age your views change and priorities change.
People are selfish period, includng many who comment here.
It is obvious why we live on such low levels of the hierarchy chart, people in this country feel entitled and NOBODY wants to pay anything for someone outside themselves.
You earn money, people before you at the same age said the same things and as they age they realize that life is longer than ages 20-50 and as you AGE the costs of living go up.
When you start aging it isnt like you just turn off the desire to live, that you turn into a leach to society, if you arent working you are undeserving.
MOST people who are under-earners arent suckers on the system, they arent loafing or intentionally kicking you in the nuts. People in all income levels and ranges want to live life with health. If they get sick they want to feel better, if they have cancer they want to survive, if their body hurts they want to improve the condition.
When we start to categorize people and segregate based on how much you make, we take a step backwards as a society.
Not that I am all for commune living or a socialist state, but I consider healthcare very close to a basic right.
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rooster,
You earn money, people before you at the same age said the same things and as they age they realize that life is longer than ages 20-50 and as you AGE the costs of living go up.
When you start aging it isnt like you just turn off the desire to live, that you turn into a leach to society, if you arent working you are undeserving.
MOST people who are under-earners arent suckers on the system, they arent loafing or intentionally kicking you in the nuts. People in all income levels and ranges want to live life with health. If they get sick they want to feel better, if they have cancer they want to survive, if their body hurts they want to improve the condition.
When we start to categorize people and segregate based on how much you make, we take a step backwards as a society.
Not that I am all for commune living or a socialist state, but I consider healthcare very close to a basic right.
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conservatives want this thing fixed also... 
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