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#1 Posted: 10/3/2008 10:30:04 AM Maybe this is my selfish attempt to prove something or my attempt to guage how much trouble our country truly is in but I would like people to give clear reasons why they chose their political affiliation. I would ask that no one here says what is wrong with the other party because there is also a third option.
Please try to be honest and detailed. If the reason you are a Democrat is because it is the party of your father so be it...just be honest.
This will hopefully give a clear indication of the posters in this forum and how their own biases shaped the debate analysis.
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#2 Posted: 10/3/2008 10:48:53 AM I am more of a Republican
Tax policy, lower is better
Education - School choice, voucher system
2nd Anmendment - I am Opposed to Gun control
Stronger on National Defense
Support work fare not welfare, help people up, not help sustain their lifestyle
I don't believe in entitlements, we are not entitled to anything materially.
Govt should provide for safety from enemies foreign and domestic, prevent abuses by those in positions of power, provide safety and security and maintain the peace, provide a business and educational environment where we can flourish if we choose to apply ourselves but not "guarantee" we will succeed despite ourselves. No nanny state. |
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#3 Posted: 10/3/2008 11:00:50 AM I am an Independent
Education-- needs to school choice because of the decrepit nature of the public school system in certain areas of the country
I am against the death penalty and believe that gun control should be established on certain weaponry. I believe owning a rifle is ok but owning an AK-47 is ridiculous.
I believe our Military Power must be strong but must be deployed only when necessary not at the whims of those in power.
I believe the government should only do as our constitution states-- keep us safe, create an environment economically and socially where if you apply yourself you have a fair chance to succeed--not a guarantee, control immigration, get our mail to us on time, and enforce the antitrust laws on corporate powers that practice anti-competititve techniques.
I further believe that taxes our a complex issue that are used by those in power to retain power. No one wants taxes-- but sometimes they are necessary in order to keep the dollar strong because of the grotesque spending of those in power.
I finally believe that political parties have manipulated the rational thinking of the American Citizenry. Divided us on issues that are not political but moral or religious. Point out differences rather than the infinite amount of policy that most americans agree on.
Sooner-- I thank you for participating and you seem like you have certain issues that are warranted--also seems you are more a libertarian.
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#4 Posted: 10/3/2008 11:08:15 AM I am a conservative because I:
have a job
am more concerned about my fellow citizens than endangered snails (toads, fish, gnats)
believe that the Constitution contains neither penumbras, nor emanations
believe that teachers unions and trial lawyers are affirmatively evil
believe that there exists a distinctively "American" culture that should be protected and preserved
On the "other" side, I:
think corporate welfare is worse than the traditional kind
support gay marriage
think we've treated Indians like crap
fear fundamentalists, Muslim, Christian or other
I grew up in a household that was essentially apolitical, and did not really choose sides until sometime in college. |
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#5 Posted: 10/3/2008 11:09:55 AM
Democrats are concerned with many of the social issues that I like. Democrats are diverse. Democrats are smart.
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#6 Posted: 10/3/2008 11:18:19 AM BoogreenZ
You make my point-- I like Dems because republicans are bad and Dems are smart...either you are 10 years old, have a 10 year olds equivalent education, or you have become a sheep of the media and the political apparatus. It is really sad.
What social issues?
Both parties are very diverse and to claim that one party has the agreement of all the intellectuals is just ridiculous and ignorant. |
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#7 Posted: 10/3/2008 11:51:29 AM I voted for Clinton
I Voted for Bush (both)
I believe in very little gun control. Some makes sense. Most does not. Criminals are criminals because they dont give a shit about laws.  If a law abiding citizen wants to own an assault rifle so be it.
I don't agree with gay rights. I tolerate gay issues but dont think special rights should be given. I dont beleive homosexuals are "born" gay. Thats arguable I know. I believe early life experiences program people to be who they are for the most part.
I believe that the major area where Republicans get things wrong is in Abstanance only. That alone doesnt work.
I understand the fact that The US is the only country in a position to hold a very important lead role as the "World Police". This is a touchy subject but would we really want a different country holding this role?
I believe in Small government. I dont believe government should add health care to their allready large list of mismanaged agencies.
I like the school voucher program. Keeps the Government education system competitive. Competition is ALWAYS good.
I dont think that prisoners at Guantanimo need the protection of our constitution based on the fact that any prisoner would lance my head off without a second thaught even if he knew he couldnt get away with it. Thats bad folks!
I dont agree with a woman should have the choice to murder an embryo. Except cases of incest. I know a girl that was a product of Rape and she turned out allright as well as her mother.
Everytime Boogreenz or helmut post on here my convictions become exponentially stronger.
In my oppinion most things that Dems stand for now days IE: constitutional rights for terrorists at Guantanimo. Stance on Regeme change in Iraq....are turning many Americans into pussys. Thats a blunt stance but I believe a true one. 
If I looked over my shoulder and saw that Rosie and Michael Moore think the same way I do I would imediatly change my position.
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#8 Posted: 10/3/2008 12:17:47 PM for all you gun control guys you had better stop believing that the republicans are going to let you keep your guns because its the republicans who have passed every single bill in this country taking away our freedoms and liberties. They just havent gotton to the guns yet. They still need some more freedom taking away bills before they go after the guns. While your sitting around believing its the democrats who want to steal your guns, its going to be the republican theives who come and do it. You guys like alot of my friends have been brainwashed for so long that its the democrats, that no matter what anybody tells you, your not going to believe it. Just remember its been the democrats who have tried stopping all the freedom taking away bills that have been written by the republicans. When this day finally comes, remember that you were told about this advance. Now go back to your glass of kool aid.
Oh and for the record, i guns and dont want to lose any of them. I can just see thru the bullshit who actually wants my guns taken away. |
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#9 Posted: 10/3/2008 12:24:03 PM I am a republican because I believe in limited Government. I run my own small business and know from past expierience that republicans sometimes raise taxes for programss but Democrats always raise taxes. This is an indisputable fact that guys like Helmut and boogreenz cannot talk their way out of. Barack Obama will raise your taxes I promise you. Perhaps McCain will have too also but Democratic policy(Health care, gov't programs, welfare) forces them to do just that. |
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#10 Posted: 10/3/2008 12:25:14 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by Kennyvegas: BoogreenZ
You make my point-- I like Dems because republicans are bad and
Dems are smart...either you are 10 years old, have a 10 year olds
equivalent education, or you have become a sheep of the media and the
political apparatus. It is really sad.
What social issues?
- Destruction of civil liberties/constitutional rights - Education (better pay, more focus on maths & sciences)
- Healthcare (universal)
- Social welfare services
- Environment btw: I went a college you'd never get in so fuck off. every time jopiscopo posts i get fired up, volunteer and vegister more democrats. 
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#11 Posted: 10/3/2008 12:27:46 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by erikthedevil: I am a republican because I believe in limited Government. I run my own small business and know from past expierience that republicans sometimes raise taxes for programss but Democrats always raise taxes. This is an indisputable fact that guys like Helmut and boogreenz cannot talk their way out of. Barack Obama will raise your taxes I promise you. Perhaps McCain will have too also but Democratic policy(Health care, gov't programs, welfare) forces them to do just that.
Bush lowered taxes and I'd have to say the economy is rosy. 
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#12 Posted: 10/3/2008 12:31:36 PM Agreed but I was just saying why I am a Republican. |
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#13 Posted: 10/3/2008 12:42:19 PM cd...
What are your views...is it just blanket hatred for those across the aisle...I also do not appreciate your post because at no point do you provide an example for what has been taken away. Let me try..
The Wiretap law...this was the most unacceptable bill in the history of the united states next to continuous slavery until 1865. This goes against every fiber of the constitution and the American people. Bush pushed this...
Patriot Act: Restricted our civil liberties to an extent that overcompensated for the threat in my opinion-- Ben Franklin (in my view the greates American to ever live) said, "He who sacrifices liberty for security deserves neither liberty or security."
Now...politicians are politicians and the republican party in its present state is not what the above posters are talking about-- if they are they are ignoramouses. It is the platform that the government should stay out of our homes, pockets, and businesses. In recent years this view has been hijcked by politicians, pork-spenders, and lobbyists who have made issues about abortion and gays more important than the stability of our economy and our safety...They are conservative not Republican.
Lastly, Jopiscopo...if you do not believe that the detainees in Guantanomo deserve the protection of a hearing then I am sorry but you do not believe in the principles of the constitution or the declaration of independence....All humans deserve a fair shake--some of these detainees are not detained for any particular purpose...this is similar to MCarthyism in the 1950's. Guilt by association nor guilt by ethnicity/religion should ever be tolerated...if these people are bad guys-- why can't we articulate it to a federal judge-- illogical. |
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#14 Posted: 10/3/2008 12:46:01 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by cd329:
for all you gun control guys you had better stop believing that the republicans are going to let you keep your guns because its the republicans who have passed every single bill in this country taking away our freedoms and liberties. They just havent gotton to the guns yet. They still need some more freedom taking away bills before they go after the guns. While your sitting around believing its the democrats who want to steal your guns, its going to be the republican theives who come and do it. You guys like alot of my friends have been brainwashed for so long that its the democrats, that no matter what anybody tells you, your not going to believe it. Just remember its been the democrats who have tried stopping all the freedom taking away bills that have been written by the republicans. When this day finally comes, remember that you were told about this advance. Now go back to your glass of kool aid.
Oh and for the record, i guns and dont want to lose any of them. I can just see thru the bullshit who actually wants my guns taken away.
Saying “if you support gun rights vote for Democrats” is just as asinine as saying “if you support abortion vote for Republicans.”
Obama has supported banning hundreds of rifles and shotguns commonly used for hunting and sport shooting. 
Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting.
Obama supported increasing taxes on firearms and ammunition by 500%.
Obama said he would try to make so no one except police and ex-military could get a carry permit.
The list goes on and on.
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#15 Posted: 10/3/2008 12:51:34 PM Conservative, Law abiding, Asset to society, and Patriotic Vet.
I own a small business, and have worked hard for 25yrs to keep it.
I pay my taxes and want Government to leave me alone.
Keep America Safe.
Welfare is a handout that was suppose to be a helping hand, it
has turned out to be cradle to grave and each generation has
gotten better at finding the loop holes. Horse Crap!!!!
If your going to help someone, help the cripple and old, neither
can help themselves and are not to blame.
Education has gone to $hit b/c of the teachers. Make the
requirements more strict and pay better.
Smaller Government, Less spending, Lobbyist should be outlawed.
No Government housing, GET A JOB and pay rent or mortgage.
Make people be responsible for their well being.
Make the fathers pay child support or throw their a$$es in Jail.
I guess I wound up ranting, but the Dem.s seem to want more
Government while I want Less.
If a person is willing to work hard and becomes "Successful"
don't penalize them for it. And just because you own a business
does not mean your RICH, as some people seem to think.
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#16 Posted: 10/3/2008 12:53:43 PM Boogreenz...are you kidding me
Please keep your boisterous claim that I couldn't get in to the college you went to yourself...I did not make any claim against you except that saying what is wrong with the other party as validation to join a party is both illogical and feeds into the problem of the 2 party system. It is acting like a ten year old. Also your point is unfounded unless you went to princeton (the only school that denied me).
But if you want to get into a pissing fight...
I went to a top 25 college (which is in the top 5 in acceptance rate)
Hint hint-- A U.S. president and Current Supreme Court Justice also went there
! went to a top 15 Law School
Hint Hint-- Another Supreme Court members Husband (consider the greatest tax professor in the country) tought me there.
I went to a Top 15 Business School....
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#17 Posted: 10/3/2008 12:57:08 PM Apache,
That is a great post and I thank you for your service in the military and your ability to see that the acountability factor amongst people in this country has gone to hell....
Ask not what your country can do for you but what we can achieve together-- It is the second line of the often quoted JFK speech |
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#18 Posted: 10/3/2008 1:12:49 PM "You make my point-- I like Dems because republicans are bad and
Dems are smart...either you are 10 years old, have a 10 year olds
equivalent education, or you have become a sheep of the media and the
political apparatus. It is really sad."
Then:
"I did not make any claim against you except that saying what is wrong
with the other party as validation to join a party is both illogical
and feeds into the problem of the 2 party system."
Another thing is that republican conveniently ignore fact!
What's wrong with the GOP is not the only reason I'm a Democrat. I mentioned Social issues.
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#19 Posted: 10/3/2008 1:25:29 PM Lean towards Republican
Think Government should be much smaller, provide national defense and social oversight with limited regulation.
I also have been pushed to the Right as my personal experience has been they look more positively to the future and changing it rather then how they perceive how negatively they have been wronged and talking about the past. |
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#20 Posted: 10/3/2008 1:32:30 PM Whatever boo--
I am not a republican (so you also ignored that fact) You made a small indication of social issues without any description of them--you later clarified to some degree. The point is still the point-- you bash people rather than having a rational conversation about the best direction for the United States..You would rather play partisanship and claim the other side is less intelligent-- George Washington warned us against the two party apparatus. |
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#21 Posted: 10/3/2008 1:48:59 PM Kenny.........
These were the two lines:
And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country.
My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.
JFK believed in Americans helping America....however, as a Democrat, he believed that the foundation for growth of our country had to start with a strong federal government.
Civil rights, for one, had been a states' issue....he and Robert Kennedy faced that one head on....made it a federal (big government) issue.
The Reupblicans believe in small government, states' rights, and the private sector; they are also more inclined to be focused on international issues rather than domestic...believing that the states and the private sector will take care of domestic issues.
The Democrats tend to be much more domestic in their focus...and, therefore, more "big government"....the misconception that does happen with that philosophy is that we, as a people, lose our freedoms because of the federal government...we lose our right to choose. Not really very accurate.
We vote, as a country, negatively...not positively. We vote against more than we vote for; that's how the 2-party system evolves in history.
While Iraq is still an important issue in the election...as we saw last night....it has become more of a domestic issue than an international issue....reasons have become muddled as the current administration mishandles the information flow. The economy is a domestic issue with international implications...but again....it is, as we are seeing, focused on America, not the world.
Since these are the two most important issues in this election...and both of these issues are domestic in importance, you can safely assume that the Democrats will be voted into office and the Republicans will be removed.
You can debate about policies, taxes, education, whatever....any political historian will point out the inherent (as the public sees) differences between the two parties; and it is that difference, domestic vs. international, that has determined the course of this election.
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#22 Posted: 10/3/2008 1:55:59 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by Kennyvegas:
Apache,
That is a great post and I thank you for your service in the military and your ability to see that the acountability factor amongst people in this country has gone to hell....
Ask not what your country can do for you but what we can achieve together-- It is the second line of the often quoted JFK speech
And so, my fellow Americans... ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.
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#23 Posted: 10/3/2008 2:05:24 PM Kenny- thanx for this thread. I believe its an interesting one indeed.
With all due respect, if detainees were plucked off of the battlefield by our outstanding military personel of whom I trust a great deal, then I propose a motion that they are guilty. These are the same people that would not afford you personal human rights.
Boogreenz- prooved ONCE AGAIN that he is 98% chatter with 2% substance inspite of his outragous claims that he went to a high profile school. I would more easily believe that he never made it past the 6th grade. He may yet prove me wrong but not even close at this point.
Good luck "vegistering more democrats"
Did you mean vagister more democrats. If so thats not needed. Most democrats already have vaginas. |
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#24 Posted: 10/3/2008 2:08:00 PM
What's that expression? If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck...
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#25 Posted: 10/3/2008 2:23:23 PM
Ah what the hell...I just wanted to see my avatar posted.
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