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Posted: 9/17/2013 1:27:40 PM
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 After "29 years of handicapping" you still think chasing is a system. Trust me, i spent several years trying every kind of chase out there... kept telling myself that despite the fact that every single mathametician, computer geek,and expert  in the world proved that you cannot in the long run be profitable chasing . You are just smarter then them all ... Post this "system" for a full year and show the results... then lets talk ..it will never happen ...Its not criticism, its fact, if after 29 years of handicaPping you still believe that you have  a 1000  unit system ..well, don't know what to say...finding small edges and using proper bankroll management is the "system" ....GOOD LUCK.

I used to not believe in a chase until I found I can win more money than ANY handicapper on the planet betting to win 1unit a game doing so. Do I realize there are high risks involved on occasion yes, do I realize if it loses a game on a 5th game you lose a lot ? Yes. Do I know that if and when I take a loss it won't hurt because I will have won way more than lost,yes. Well I'm not every math genius ,computer geek or any thing else, I'm The Hat and my systems are backchecked 10 years and that's good enough for me. I have a system that bets all dogs no one else I know does, I have numerous systems for totals very low or no juice. Just because no one you know has beaten the chase doesn't mean I haven't ,can't  or won't. Sit back relax and wait for next year and ether miss the bus or join the party your choice.

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Posted: 9/17/2013 1:30:57 PM
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Posted: 9/17/2013 1:53:11 PM
OK ....i am done ...you are better then every  handicapper on the planet...you defy all math, logic and probability ....you are Hat ...

good luck sir.
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Posted: 9/17/2013 1:54:25 PM

Why do people have to get on here and bash a fellow contributor?   Let him post his plays, YOU choose whether to follow and play the picks.   You are not obligated to bet on his plays.  

Why even waste your own time by writing such crap?  If you have been a handicapper for 25+ years or whatever, I would hope that you would be a little more mature than this. 

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Posted: 9/17/2013 1:56:01 PM

Neilsy,

Didn't you start a system called NCAA Football -6 game chase 3480-1 since 1980 ?   I mean that is a system and a chase and it has done well if I am not mistaken?

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Posted: 9/17/2013 2:23:35 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by neilsy25:

OK ....i am done ...you are better then every  handicapper on the planet...you defy all math, logic and probability ....you are Hat ...

good luck sir.

Thank you
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Posted: 9/17/2013 2:56:23 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by breezeyo:

Neilsy,

Didn't you start a system called NCAA Football -6 game chase 3480-1 since 1980 ?   I mean that is a system and a chase and it has done well if I am not mistaken?


Exactly ....thanks for making my point... I found a pattern in a random group of numbers... 1 loss in 20 years...guess what...that year that I posted it, it had 2 losses...another year it could have 4 or 5 ..anyway, i will stay out of Jeff's thread ...
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Posted: 9/17/2013 3:36:09 PM

Just my 2 cents, Neilsy does have a good point that eventually all chase systems will suffer a loss. The trick is to manage your bankroll, bet well below your means, grind it out and not get wiped out by a 3, 4 ,5 or 6 game chase. It can be done. Chases can be profitable if you bet them right.

There are very creative ways to bet a 6 game chase. One idea is to break it down to three 2 game chases on games 1-2, 3-4, 5-6. Use a labby line for each set of 2. I don't chase series for more than 3 games and will only do 3 if it's low juice. If you have a good win% with all games in a particular chase system, why risk ruin by going out to 5-6 games?

Jeff's systems have shown an overall good win %. Even if one goes 6 games and loses it will not cost me that much. I'll make up my three, 2 game losses over the next few wins.

 

 

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Posted: 9/17/2013 3:52:53 PM

Good point Dan.   I use .5% of my bankroll for a 3 game chase play.  

Another thing is that if it is 5-6 game chase, start with Game 3 in the chase if you want to minimize risk.  

I heard one time that, 'what goes up must come down'...manage your bankroll and the systems that you follow accordingly.   Treat it like a business and keep good records if you want to profit. 

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Posted: 9/17/2013 4:38:54 PM
Sounds like Morrison in disguise.
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Posted: 9/17/2013 9:30:58 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by breezeyo:

Good point Dan.   I use .5% of my bankroll for a 3 game chase play.  

Another thing is that if it is 5-6 game chase, start with Game 3 in the chase if you want to minimize risk.  

I heard one time that, 'what goes up must come down'...manage your bankroll and the systems that you follow accordingly.   Treat it like a business and keep good records if you want to profit. 


The problem with waiting until Game 3 is that you will miss out on a lot of plays.  With good systems, the majority of the plays hit within the first two games.
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Posted: 9/18/2013 10:41:59 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by reaptherewards:

Sounds like Morrison in disguise.

Lmfao, there isn't one Morrison system that comes close to what my systems do. Hell he' ll probably want to buy mine and claim it his own. That was a pretty lame comment  
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Posted: 9/18/2013 10:44:20 AM
If any one was paying attention CLE cleared last night.
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Posted: 9/18/2013 10:53:02 AM
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Originally Posted by JEFFTHEHAT:

If any one was paying attention CLE cleared last night.

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Posted: 9/18/2013 11:11:59 AM
any goliath plays today? CLE wasn't a goliath play if i read correctly. thx hat!
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Posted: 9/18/2013 12:00:19 PM
Jeff >> I tried to add you as a friend to discuss st with you but the option was disable. Is there anyway I can contact you?
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Posted: 9/18/2013 12:13:01 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by hyvong:

Jeff >> I tried to add you as a friend to discuss st with you but the option was disable. Is there anyway I can contact you?

Sent friend request to you, add me nd you can PM then.

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Posted: 9/18/2013 12:19:51 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by pd_:

any goliath plays today? CLE wasn't a goliath play if i read correctly. thx hat!

Goliath plays every day, almost every series. I've decided to wait until next year for this system as it takes a lot of time to prepare. Right now I'm back checking 5 new systems taking all my time.Preparing to annihilate the books next year.

Let's all win

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Posted: 9/18/2013 12:33:07 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by JEFFTHEHAT:


Goliath plays every day, almost every series. I've decided to wait until next year for this system as it takes a lot of time to prepare. Right now I'm back checking 5 new systems taking all my time.Preparing to annihilate the books next year.

Let's all win

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 Guess the back checking didn't go so well ...seriously people..if you really found a system that was 93% on A & B games and 1000 units per season for 10 years, would you be checking another 5 ? ..the goliath, just like the terminator, the anhilator, the coup de gras, and the rest of this clowns pipe dreams will NEVER happen, any of you who actually think otherwise  are delusional ...this guy spouts of big numbers...back checks and finds they don't work ..then starts another...rinse and repeat...his over/under chase is nothing more then a rip off of cisco's system which he has posted for years..... Jeff i challenge you to prove me wrong... Post your NHL/NBA for an entire season ..or even give the parameter to ONE of your numerous systems so people can verify...with so many surely "releasing" the parameters to one wouldnt hurt...
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anyway, i will stay out of Jeff's thread ...
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Posted: 9/18/2013 12:51:33 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by breezeyo:

anyway, i will stay out of Jeff's thread ...

 It is so ridiculous.. i cant help myself... tell you what ,If Jeff can give the parameters to just ONE system..any sport.. not even one of his 1000 unit sytems that will break every book in the world ..just a regular old system 30 or 40 unit system that has been back checked for 10 years.. I will stfu.... Jeff ?
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Posted: 9/18/2013 12:54:42 PM

What systems have you posted or parameters have you given out to others?   Or do you just get on here and bash others?

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Posted: 9/18/2013 12:57:02 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by neilsy25:


 Guess the back checking didn't go so well ...seriously people..if you really found a system that was 93% on A & B games and 1000 units per season for 10 years, would you be checking another 5 ? ..the goliath, just like the terminator, the anhilator, the coup de gras, and the rest of this clowns pipe dreams will NEVER happen, any of you who actually think otherwise  are delusional ...this guy spouts of big numbers...back checks and finds they don't work ..then starts another...rinse and repeat...his over/under chase is nothing more then a rip off of cisco's system which he has posted for years..... Jeff i challenge you to prove me wrong... Post your NHL/NBA for an entire season ..or even give the parameter to ONE of your numerous systems so people can verify...with so many surely "releasing" the parameters to one wouldnt hurt...

Dude, you are so stupid scales can't measure how stupid. My back checking has found the numbers are holding just fine. Now in response to a rip off Cisco's system not even close. To be honest I don't even follow that system have no idea how it works and don't  care. I have given parameters to the Holy Grail system. if you had an ounce of intelligence you would know why I'm not releasing parameters of these systems and never will. Last time I checked I haven't forced a single person to bet anything. Since you seem to be extremely jealous that you not possess the intelligence to create a system worth a damn you come in here spouting trash. Oh and by the way I haven't given out a loser on ny thread since starting. Thanks or staying out of my thread like you said.

This is the last time I waste my time responding to idiots.

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Posted: 9/18/2013 1:00:05 PM
Neilsy.....there is definitely something fishy going on and I agree with most of what you are saying. People have tried systems forever and if you 'think' you have a 1000 unit system...wait he did say 1000 right....why would you continue to pound the pavement back testing more losers.

Jeff I haven't looked at all your systems because there are to many....but do you post money management or track daily the profitability of these systems.

I hope this all true and your hard work is paying off....but come on 1000 units
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QUOTE Originally Posted by oilcountry99:

Neilsy.....there is definitely something fishy going on and I agree with most of what you are saying. People have tried systems forever and if you 'think' you have a 1000 unit system...wait he did say 1000 right....why would you continue to pound the pavement back testing more losers.

Jeff I haven't looked at all your systems because there are to many....but do you post money management or track daily the profitability of these systems.

I hope this all true and your hard work is paying off....but come on 1000 units


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