Kansas City at Philadelphia (09/19/2013)

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Posted: 9/19/2013 2:55:28 PM
KC @ PHI -3 ou 50

Everyone is remembering the opening drive of PHI on MNF where PHI ran 9 plays in 2min 30 sec and drove down to the WAS 17…but forgetting it was D. Hall that scored for WAS ending the drive, jogging 75 yds for a td after picking up a deflected lateral.

 

Former Leavenworth inmate #33765-183 is finally emerging from bankruptcy (most players go bankrupt after leaving the NFL, not while still in it) and Vick is the #3 rated (119) QB in the NFL with 6 tds (4 pass/2 rush) 0 ints and 315yd/gm...
so....
he will finish the season with 96 tds and PHI will avg 32pt/gm. NOT!

The hype is on $6.5mil/yr Kelly’s “fast-paced” offense but SD ran more plays than PHI (79 to 59) last game, and only 7 more than WAS in wk1. (74 to 67). So is it really that “fast paced”? This isn’t the 82 play/gm avg of Oregon.

 

I don’t care what offense you use, it won’t turn a 78 rating QB into a 119 rating, McCoy will never run 31 times in a gm ever again. Vick is old and isn’t running for 1000 yds like back in ‘06 when the iphone didn’t even exist.


The problem for PHI is that they need to keep the offense on the field longer so they can keep their defense off the field.

 

PHI has allowed 460yds per game (third worst in the NFL) PHI def can’t stop the pass (just ask E. Royal and his 3 tds) and made P. Rivers look like a superstar last wk (419yds, 76%completions, 3 tds, 124 rating)

 

KC has the #3 def (248yd/gm) in the league and #2 against the run. They held DAL to 1 td. (3 fgs).
Stats are probably padded since they played JAC in wk1... But

…KC has 4 def players that made the probowl last year in D. Johnson LB, T. Hali LB, J. Houston LB,  and safety E. Berry SS (combo of Hali/Houston had 19 sacks last yr)

Excellent CB B. Flowers pairing with newly signed S. Smith (3 yr 16mil) rounds out an under the public radar very good KC defense. But can KC make the needed open field tackles on D. Jackson and L. McCoy?

 

A. Smith was doing just fine with SF until he got a concussion and bust a “kap in your person” took his job. He doesn’t throw a lot of ints (5 in 2011) and was completing 70% of passes before the injury in 2012.

 

This is the question, can the KC offense put up enough pts against the weak PHI def to keep up with the trio of D Jackson, L McCoy and M Vick against a good KC def?

Although Vick hasn’t thrown an int…yet,  he still fumbles a lot (11 last yr), and he is due to throw an int.

 TO's will be the difference in this game, and that's where PHI led the league in 2012.

 

Turn around teams beat the spread. (DET 2010 12-4 ATS)

 

Taking KC+3
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Posted: 9/19/2013 3:27:34 PM
After further review, I have decided that the Eagles are my play. Just on the mere fact that its not physically possible for their defense to play any worse than they did last week, and that under the lights in a prime time setting, they will be up to the task. I hope last week was their reality check / wake-up call, and I think their PAC 10 defense redeems themselves after a pathetic outing last week. Reid may know their tendencies, but the Eagles know Reid's west coast offense as well, and will also be prepared to at least slow it down. I also expect Alex Smith to see a bunch of different looks than the Eagles showed last week.

Also worth noting, the Eagles will also be travelling to Denver next week, and know they have a legitimate chance of losing 3 straight if they lose tonight. I don't see them losing 3 in a row to the AFC West I see them bouncing back today....even if the Chiefs might be the more fundamentally sound team. 

I also think Andy Reid will not pound the ball and try to dominate the time of possession as he should because that's never been his style as a coach.

good luck my fellow degenerates. 
  
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Posted: 9/19/2013 4:03:11 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by dukeycat:

KC @ PHI -3 ou 50

Everyone is remembering the opening drive of PHI on MNF where PHI ran 9 plays in 2min 30 sec and drove down to the WAS 17…but forgetting it was D. Hall that scored for WAS ending the drive, jogging 75 yds for a td after picking up a deflected lateral.

 

Former Leavenworth inmate #33765-183 is finally emerging from bankruptcy (most players go bankrupt after leaving the NFL, not while still in it) and Vick is the #3 rated (119) QB in the NFL with 6 tds (4 pass/2 rush) 0 ints and 315yd/gm...
so....
he will finish the season with 96 tds and PHI will avg 32pt/gm. NOT!

The hype is on $6.5mil/yr Kelly’s “fast-paced” offense but SD ran more plays than PHI (79 to 59) last game, and only 7 more than WAS in wk1. (74 to 67). So is it really that “fast paced”? This isn’t the 82 play/gm avg of Oregon.

 

I don’t care what offense you use, it won’t turn a 78 rating QB into a 119 rating, McCoy will never run 31 times in a gm ever again. Vick is old and isn’t running for 1000 yds like back in ‘06 when the iphone didn’t even exist.


The problem for PHI is that they need to keep the offense on the field longer so they can keep their defense off the field.

 

PHI has allowed 460yds per game (third worst in the NFL) PHI def can’t stop the pass (just ask E. Royal and his 3 tds) and made P. Rivers look like a superstar last wk (419yds, 76%completions, 3 tds, 124 rating)

 

KC has the #3 def (248yd/gm) in the league and #2 against the run. They held DAL to 1 td. (3 fgs).
Stats are probably padded since they played JAC in wk1... But

…KC has 4 def players that made the probowl last year in D. Johnson LB, T. Hali LB, J. Houston LB,  and safety E. Berry SS (combo of Hali/Houston had 19 sacks last yr)

Excellent CB B. Flowers pairing with newly signed S. Smith (3 yr 16mil) rounds out an under the public radar very good KC defense. But can KC make the needed open field tackles on D. Jackson and L. McCoy?

 

A. Smith was doing just fine with SF until he got a concussion and bust a “kap in your person” took his job. He doesn’t throw a lot of ints (5 in 2011) and was completing 70% of passes before the injury in 2012.

 

This is the question, can the KC offense put up enough pts against the weak PHI def to keep up with the trio of D Jackson, L McCoy and M Vick against a good KC def?

Although Vick hasn’t thrown an int…yet,  he still fumbles a lot (11 last yr), and he is due to throw an int.

 TO's will be the difference in this game, and that's where PHI led the league in 2012.

 

Turn around teams beat the spread. (DET 2010 12-4 ATS)

 

Taking KC+3

Phenomenal writeup...this is what the forum should be about. I am, however, on the other side, thus GL to the both of us.
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Posted: 9/19/2013 4:35:25 PM
Eagles by 10... Can k.c keep up. .? K.c. Struggled with Dallas who is very iffyiffy
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Posted: 9/19/2013 4:58:37 PM
Not a lot of information to determine what kind of teams these are this early in the season. Chiefs look like a Super Bowl Team defensively, and they surely will come to earth. The Eagles looked like a Super Bowl Team on both sides of the ball in the first half of the Washington game, and have had moments of brilliance but seem vulnerable.  Chiefs are going to try to slow down the game, Philly speed things up quite a contrast of styles. Andy Reid doesn't have much patience when it comes to the run and tends to abandon the run altogether when things start falling apart, will Charles have a game becomes the question. You have to like the under and the Chiefs if you believe in Charles brilliance the opposite if not. You might as well parlay the game if the Chiefs cover it will go under if Philly covers it will go over. I don't like the game but I believe Andy Reid will want this game, I'm backing the Chiefs along with the under 51.
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Posted: 9/19/2013 5:40:01 PM
KC +3.5 U 51

24-23 CHEFS 
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Posted: 9/19/2013 5:52:36 PM
     
       BRAVO  DUKEYCAT
Spot on analysis with just some eye opening tidbit$ to add .

Chefs D ranks #  3 Tops

Beagles D ranks  Bottom 3
Above none else than Philly's Week 1 DeadSkins n' 
Week 2's  Bolts 
( Who spanked Philly on Kelly's emotional home opener )


Who's more likely to give a lesson in a National televised n' emotionally charged game  ?

The Veteran or the Pupil ?

Anyone dare believe Chargers as a better team than Chefs ?
Anyone truly impressed with  Vick's QB rating ?
( vs 2 Bottom D' s )

CMON'  MAN !
Hummmm . . .
 Reid's 14 Philly years  = 204 games 
( without counting playoffs and Super Bowl )
to Coach Kelly's  2 games. . .
Who's actually more familiar with Eagle players ?
Who's more at home ?

Standard  3 Pts Road spread gifted to Welcome Back Reid ?

MUCHO$ GRACIA$

 KC is 2 - 0 High coming off  W vs Legit team that will make playoffs , Beagles are 1 - 1 down low , losing to defenseless Bolts with just 3 days for Coach Kelly to find a pass rush and a secondary. Kelly's inexperience will truly be exposed tonight as will Philly's horrendous D that will be methodically used and abused  by 4th Q .
Kelly will go 0 - 2 at home.

WELCOME BACK COACH !!!
  

CHIEFS 30 EAGLES 17
BOLA
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Posted: 9/19/2013 6:41:35 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by easypics:

     
       BRAVO  DUKEYCAT
Spot on analysis with just some eye opening tidbit$ to add .

Chefs D ranks #  3 Tops

Beagles D ranks  Bottom 3
Above none else than Philly's Week 1 DeadSkins n' 
Week 2's  Bolts 
( Who spanked Philly on Kelly's emotional home opener )


Who's more likely to give a lesson in a National televised n' emotionally charged game  ?

The Veteran or the Pupil ?

Anyone dare believe Chargers as a better team than Chefs ?
Anyone truly impressed with  Vick's QB rating ?
( vs 2 Bottom D' s )

CMON'  MAN !
Hummmm . . .
 Reid's 14 Philly years  = 204 games 
( without counting playoffs and Super Bowl )
to Coach Kelly's  2 games. . .
Who's actually more familiar with Eagle players ?
Who's more at home ?

Standard  3 Pts Road spread gifted to Welcome Back Reid ?

 KC is 2 - 0 High coming off  W vs Legit team that will make playoffs , Beagles are 1 - 1 down low , losing to defenseless Bolts with just 3 days for Coach Kelly to find a pass rush and a secondary. Kelly's inexperience will truly be exposed tonight as will Philly's horrendous D that will be methodically used and abused  by 4th Q .
Kelly will go 0 - 2 at home.

WELCOME BACK COACH !!!
  

CHIEFS 30 EAGLES 17


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Posted: 9/19/2013 6:50:08 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by dukeycat:

KC @ PHI -3 ou 50

Everyone is remembering the opening drive of PHI on MNF where PHI ran 9 plays in 2min 30 sec and drove down to the WAS 17…but forgetting it was D. Hall that scored for WAS ending the drive, jogging 75 yds for a td after picking up a deflected lateral.

 

Former Leavenworth inmate #33765-183 is finally emerging from bankruptcy (most players go bankrupt after leaving the NFL, not while still in it) and Vick is the #3 rated (119) QB in the NFL with 6 tds (4 pass/2 rush) 0 ints and 315yd/gm...
so....
he will finish the season with 96 tds and PHI will avg 32pt/gm. NOT!

The hype is on $6.5mil/yr Kelly’s “fast-paced” offense but SD ran more plays than PHI (79 to 59) last game, and only 7 more than WAS in wk1. (74 to 67). So is it really that “fast paced”? This isn’t the 82 play/gm avg of Oregon.

 

I don’t care what offense you use, it won’t turn a 78 rating QB into a 119 rating, McCoy will never run 31 times in a gm ever again. Vick is old and isn’t running for 1000 yds like back in ‘06 when the iphone didn’t even exist.


The problem for PHI is that they need to keep the offense on the field longer so they can keep their defense off the field.

 

PHI has allowed 460yds per game (third worst in the NFL) PHI def can’t stop the pass (just ask E. Royal and his 3 tds) and made P. Rivers look like a superstar last wk (419yds, 76%completions, 3 tds, 124 rating)

 

KC has the #3 def (248yd/gm) in the league and #2 against the run. They held DAL to 1 td. (3 fgs).
Stats are probably padded since they played JAC in wk1... But

…KC has 4 def players that made the probowl last year in D. Johnson LB, T. Hali LB, J. Houston LB,  and safety E. Berry SS (combo of Hali/Houston had 19 sacks last yr)

Excellent CB B. Flowers pairing with newly signed S. Smith (3 yr 16mil) rounds out an under the public radar very good KC defense. But can KC make the needed open field tackles on D. Jackson and L. McCoy?

 

A. Smith was doing just fine with SF until he got a concussion and bust a “kap in your person” took his job. He doesn’t throw a lot of ints (5 in 2011) and was completing 70% of passes before the injury in 2012.

 

This is the question, can the KC offense put up enough pts against the weak PHI def to keep up with the trio of D Jackson, L McCoy and M Vick against a good KC def?

Although Vick hasn’t thrown an int…yet,  he still fumbles a lot (11 last yr), and he is due to throw an int.

 TO's will be the difference in this game, and that's where PHI led the league in 2012.

 

Turn around teams beat the spread. (DET 2010 12-4 ATS)

 

Taking KC+3
Preach OnDukeycatYour on the In-depth analysisout!
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Posted: 9/19/2013 6:50:44 PM
short week is meaningless you know the second Reid got the schedule and saw philly on there, he started game planning. Going with Reid here, his knowledge of the eagles is unmatched in the NFL

try to say this ten times fast: "vicks pick six"

 KC UNDER
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Posted: 9/19/2013 6:57:05 PM
KC jogged through DALLAS last Sunday, PHILY ran hard all day against San Diego.
Think Philly will beat themselves trying to play an all out game. KC will be waiting on D, seeing 2 Philly turnovers for KC points here. SMITH calm and cool, VICKY wants it all and itll bte him
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Posted: 9/19/2013 7:05:19 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by holtnt:

Philadelphia dropped the ball last week to a good defensive squad and a excellent offensive squad that can score with anybody when they are clicking.  You have an above average defensive squad and below average offensive squad visiting #7 and Chip on a short week.  Don’t think Kansas City can apply the offensive pressure on Philadelphia like San Diego did…  Let’s NOT over react to last week’s loss as that loss has created value in the line this week…

 

With that said, put me down for Philadelphia minus the field goal at the house for a Nickel please.  Thanks! 


Finally, someone worth quoting. People who think SD is a "bad loss" dont really watch/understand football. The personnel is there, the issue is whether they decide to show up or not.

As for philly, I cannot deny the defense is questionable but the chip kelly offense i have loved for so long will prevail in the NFL. ITS ONLY THE 3RD WEEK RUNNING IT PEOPLE!!! Give the man a break, there are always unforeseen variables when you are trying something new. The important part is that they have the personnel to make it successful as long as mistakes are not committed and the players will give their best discipline on national TV out of the sheer respect they have for Chip. 

CONCLUSION: Philly offense shouldnt have any problems running the heightened number of plays they are used to on this talented defense. Scoring opportunites will be questionable in the first half, wait for coaching adjustments and wearing the defense down completely in the second half.

PHILLY ML is my play.

Id rather invest in the pick that the geniuses in Vegas are favoring than "gamble" on a gut-feeling.
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Posted: 9/19/2013 7:23:48 PM

At first I thought Eagles D would be really worn out short week an being on field for so long. Then looking at Chiefs the whole team has had to travel twice in three weeks. GOing with Philly -3. 

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Posted: 9/19/2013 7:28:24 PM

HOME $WEET HOME

Wondering if line was made in Vegas or Oregon.
  Coach Kelly's inexperience will be exposed with only 3 short crash days to find a missing pass rush and a secondary after embarrassing home opening loss to Dead Bolts who are none much better than Dazed n' confused Deadskins who along with SD are ranked dead last defensively with Philly D as  3 rd  worst , while KC 's D ranks Top 3.

Chefs are a much better , balanced team than Bolts and it will show tonite .
Is it truly a Road game for Been there , done that Coach Reid ?
204 games as Philly coach ( Not including Playoffs n' Super Bowl ) to coach Kelly's 2.
Bet on it , Kelly will go 0 - 2 @ home.
With no pass rush , Eagles D will be methodically used n' abused  by X frisco QB , leaving 4th Quarter door wide open for  J . Charles to run clock down with 2 little, 2 late of time for Kelly's offense to save the day.

CHIEFS 30 EAGLES 17
BOLA


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Posted: 9/19/2013 7:34:21 PM
Must be the twilight zone or the bottle...

Or Both ?



Computer went Kaput thought I lost first post ,
 A drink or 2 later...

At least  score's the same...

lol

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Posted: 9/19/2013 7:36:26 PM

30-24.....

 

 

only question is if turnovers and or too many penalties and even too many running plays called will keep the score a lot lower....

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Posted: 9/19/2013 7:43:08 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by dukeycat:

KC @ PHI -3 ou 50

Everyone is remembering the opening drive of PHI on MNF where PHI ran 9 plays in 2min 30 sec and drove down to the WAS 17…but forgetting it was D. Hall that scored for WAS ending the drive, jogging 75 yds for a td after picking up a deflected lateral.

 

Former Leavenworth inmate #33765-183 is finally emerging from bankruptcy (most players go bankrupt after leaving the NFL, not while still in it) and Vick is the #3 rated (119) QB in the NFL with 6 tds (4 pass/2 rush) 0 ints and 315yd/gm...
so....
he will finish the season with 96 tds and PHI will avg 32pt/gm. NOT!

The hype is on $6.5mil/yr Kelly’s “fast-paced” offense but SD ran more plays than PHI (79 to 59) last game, and only 7 more than WAS in wk1. (74 to 67). So is it really that “fast paced”? This isn’t the 82 play/gm avg of Oregon.

 

I don’t care what offense you use, it won’t turn a 78 rating QB into a 119 rating, McCoy will never run 31 times in a gm ever again. Vick is old and isn’t running for 1000 yds like back in ‘06 when the iphone didn’t even exist.


The problem for PHI is that they need to keep the offense on the field longer so they can keep their defense off the field.

 

PHI has allowed 460yds per game (third worst in the NFL) PHI def can’t stop the pass (just ask E. Royal and his 3 tds) and made P. Rivers look like a superstar last wk (419yds, 76%completions, 3 tds, 124 rating)

 

KC has the #3 def (248yd/gm) in the league and #2 against the run. They held DAL to 1 td. (3 fgs).
Stats are probably padded since they played JAC in wk1... But

…KC has 4 def players that made the probowl last year in D. Johnson LB, T. Hali LB, J. Houston LB,  and safety E. Berry SS (combo of Hali/Houston had 19 sacks last yr)

Excellent CB B. Flowers pairing with newly signed S. Smith (3 yr 16mil) rounds out an under the public radar very good KC defense. But can KC make the needed open field tackles on D. Jackson and L. McCoy?

 

A. Smith was doing just fine with SF until he got a concussion and bust a “kap in your person” took his job. He doesn’t throw a lot of ints (5 in 2011) and was completing 70% of passes before the injury in 2012.

 

This is the question, can the KC offense put up enough pts against the weak PHI def to keep up with the trio of D Jackson, L McCoy and M Vick against a good KC def?

Although Vick hasn’t thrown an int…yet,  he still fumbles a lot (11 last yr), and he is due to throw an int.

 TO's will be the difference in this game, and that's where PHI led the league in 2012.

 

Turn around teams beat the spread. (DET 2010 12-4 ATS)

 

Taking KC+3

Great cap

I look forward to seeing your future write ups.

Good luck with your play.

I too am on the kc cheifs ml!
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Posted: 9/19/2013 7:45:57 PM

Collect call for Vue ....

A betting proposition was made last week .

Odds on you could drink more beers in 4 quarters than  passes completed by Weeden.

Please say Over 21 , nobody wants a push !

Hope you Belch a winner tonite.
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Posted: 9/19/2013 8:07:52 PM
This is coming from an Eagles fan ... 
I'll be looking at the 2nd half over.

Usually, these Thursday night games are ugly and play under the game total.  So I just do that and stay away from the halves.

But the Eagle defense has given up 20 points in the 2nd half of both of their games this year, probably because of the time they've spent on the field.

The 2nd half total will probably be around 24.5.

Good luck all
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Posted: 9/19/2013 8:10:05 PM
easy money KC baby
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QUOTE Originally Posted by sjon412:

not for nothing Vue but your last 3 or so "Prime Plays" have lost. NWE loser PIT loser

You are correct- I just didn't do very well-thanks

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Posted: 9/19/2013 8:24:21 PM
Vick is going to turn the ball over at least two times either fumbles or ints.  He's due for a come back down to earth game vs a solid defense after feasting on a couple of weak D's
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Posted: 9/19/2013 8:26:15 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Sammy_Ace:

After further review, I have decided that the Eagles are my play. Just on the mere fact that its not physically possible for their defense to play any worse than they did last week, and that under the lights in a prime time setting, they will be up to the task. I hope last week was their reality check / wake-up call, and I think their PAC 10 defense redeems themselves after a pathetic outing last week. Reid may know their tendencies, but the Eagles know Reid's west coast offense as well, and will also be prepared to at least slow it down. I also expect Alex Smith to see a bunch of different looks than the Eagles showed last week.

Also worth noting, the Eagles will also be travelling to Denver next week, and know they have a legitimate chance of losing 3 straight if they lose tonight. I don't see them losing 3 in a row to the AFC West I see them bouncing back today....even if the Chiefs might be the more fundamentally sound team. 

I also think Andy Reid will not pound the ball and try to dominate the time of possession as he should because that's never been his style as a coach.

good luck my fellow degenerates. 
  

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Good Luck All!!!!!!

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Posted: 9/19/2013 9:09:14 PM

What "pro" coach doesn't just kick the E.P.???

YIKES!!!!!!!

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Posted: 9/19/2013 9:11:52 PM
Jesus - not feelin' Chip Kelly at all - after one.............
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