St. Louis at Arizona (11/25/2012)

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Posted: 11/20/2012 12:36:05 AM

Away:  St. Louis [6-4 ATS]
Home:  Arizona [4-5-1 ATS]

Game Time: 4:25 PM
Stadium: University of Phoenix Stadium

Recent Meetings:
10/04/12 - ARI 3 vs. STL 17

Team Leaders:

St. Louis:
Passing: Sam Bradford (2242)
Rushing: Steven Jackson (585)
Receiving: Danny Amendola (538)

Arizona:
Passing: Kevin Kolb (1169)
Rushing: LaRod Stephens-Howling (311)
Receiving: Larry Fitzgerald (596)

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Posted: 11/21/2012 12:55:04 PM

On paper this is a real ugly game.  Two teams that haven't won in quite some time.  The Cards came out of the gates hot and have lost their last 6 games. I loved them to cover against Atlanta last week after they had the bye to stew in their own misery. I thought it was a good time for a bye week, and thought their defense would keep them in the game.  I was right in that regard, but I had no idea that their offense would be so abysmal.  Nor did I anticipate the benching of John Skelton when the team was up 13-0. Not really sure what Ken Whisenhunt was thinking, but I think it has to go down as one of the biggest coaching blunders of the year. It actually helped give Atlanta some momentum. Needless to say, the problems with Arizona's offense leave a lot to be desired. What stands out to me in the previous game isn't the fact that Arizona created 6 turnovers.  Its the fact that Arizona's offense only scored 1 TD the entire game despite all those turnovers. That is a sign of some major troubling issues. 

Meanwhile, the Rams left alot to be desired as well. They squandered the turnovers they created against the Jets (blocked kick and stopped a fake punt), and their play calling was absolutly attrocious. Brian Schottenheimer really screwed the pooch last week.  Why are you throwing the ball on 3rd and 1 when Steven Jackson is just running over people?

Anyway, the way I see it.  The Rams atleast have the tools in place to score points and the Cardinals don't.  Yes, my analysis is just that simple. Arizona has officially been thrown into the sinking ship category and I don't want to catch that falling knife. I know they are due for a win, but I think last week's debacle has given the team some negative momentum and could act as a hangover this Sunday. Yeah, the Rams didn't look so hot either, but atleast they have stability at quarterback and an offensive line that could keep Bradford upright for more than 2 seconds. 

The Cardinals lost this previous matchup on Thursday Night football 17-3.  In that game, they allowed 9 sacks!!  Why they are laying points after that effort is beyond me. 

Good Luck and hopefully my second time is a charm on the RAMS   

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Posted: 11/21/2012 7:00:06 PM
2 equal teams (more or less) so I'll take Arizona, because St. Lois already beat them, it's rare for 2 equal teams to win series 
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Posted: 11/21/2012 8:20:02 PM

Confirmed on NFLTV... 3rd QB going to start for AZ.

I'm just playing the under. Rams burned me (and many others) last week... I'm glad this game is not on primetime but wish it would have been lost in the 1pm starts and not 1 of the 3 late games on Sunday.

Two ugly broads walk into a bar... one is wearing a Rams T and the other a Cards T... (fill in the ending).

That's what I think about this game.

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Posted: 11/22/2012 2:19:21 AM
Cardinals Money Line
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Posted: 11/22/2012 10:10:01 PM
On paper (roster health), it makes no sense to take the Cardinals with their QB issues, but I'm going with them anyways. 
That garbage Rams performance at home last week vs.a pathetic Jet's team has just totally turned me off the Rams motivation.  
Hopefully the 'sooner or later' technique works here   .
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Posted: 11/22/2012 10:35:15 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Skubishack:

Two ugly broads walk into a bar... one is wearing a Rams T and the other a Cards T... (fill in the ending).

Here's the ending:

You call it a night, go home and "HAND"le your own business - - in other words, bet on something else.

Gun to my head - I'm taking the Lambs. The better "Offense" (and I use that term VERY loosely).....

Rams +1 - if you're an absolute gambling degenerate, and you just can't help yourself..........

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Posted: 11/23/2012 10:26:58 PM
Dont take either team in this game - it could go either way. Beanie Wells is back and will be running the offense... if thats even possible.  The AZ pass def is too good to let Bradford to anything....  the UNDER looks great in this game as it does in the Pittsburgh and Seattle game.  Good Luck all.
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Posted: 11/24/2012 12:16:47 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by cdeihl:

Dont take either team in this game - it could go either way. Beanie Wells is back and will be running the offense... if thats even possible.  The AZ pass def is too good to let Bradford to anything....  the UNDER looks great in this game as it does in the Pittsburgh and Seattle game.  Good Luck all.
  and the Ariz run defense is BAD...so definitely expecting the Rams to run 65-70% of the time in this one.  Rams top wide out officially OUT now too..doesn't hurt that scenario.  Good call on the under. 
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Posted: 11/24/2012 12:36:40 AM
Stl...

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Posted: 11/24/2012 9:15:43 PM
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Posted: 11/24/2012 9:37:28 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by toddwins:

2 equal teams (more or less) so I'll take Arizona, because St. Lois already beat them, it's rare for 2 equal teams to win series 



It's surprising how true that is.When I win in your house, you win in mine (ATS)
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Posted: 11/25/2012 5:10:34 AM

Under

YTD: 65-4-1 (58.5%)

[College on Saturday went 9-4 (69.2%)]

GL to all!

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Posted: 11/25/2012 6:39:23 AM

The Jets won last week because they could run the ball against St. Louis, and when you can run effectively you open up the pass for quarterbacks as bad as Dirty Sanchez to be effective.

Stephens-Howling can't run between tackles, and isn't strong enough to fight his way outside, so now the QB has to make all the plays.

 It's Ryan Lindley's first start in the NFL. To me, this just sets up the Rams for the season sweep.

St. Louis Rams +1, or ML if you can get even money or better!

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Posted: 11/25/2012 7:59:04 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Chiefan34:

The Jets won last week because they could run the ball against St. Louis, and when you can run effectively you open up the pass for quarterbacks as bad as Dirty Sanchez to be effective.

Stephens-Howling can't run between tackles, and isn't strong enough to fight his way outside, so now the QB has to make all the plays.

 It's Ryan Lindley's first start in the NFL. To me, this just sets up the Rams for the season sweep.

St. Louis Rams +1, or ML if you can get even money or better!



Chiefan34,

 

 

Agreed…  Unless Arizona signed Jesus Christ last night, whoever is under center behind that horrible offensive line is going to have a problem being successful. 

 

With that said, put me down for Saint Louis on the Moneyline (+105) for a Nickel Alex Trebek please.  Thanks! 


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Posted: 11/25/2012 10:53:03 AM
This is a RARE I think.  HUGE RAM consensus on the board, BUT a STRONG CARDINAL consensus for the 'community' and 'community team experts'. 

For a spread of 2 or less on here.....(for some reason) a strong community and Team experts consensus usually go down in flames. 
Should be a lot of happy bettors on this board after the game I guess..
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Posted: 11/25/2012 11:04:41 AM
I bet 500 dollars on the Cardinals ML, at The Patriots. The second time I played the points at Atlanta.
I played against them, when they lost at home against the Niners.
Sammy Ace, love your work man and your picks but I consider myself a Cardinals team expert.
I rode them all the way to the Superbowl and have watched almost all of their games in the last 25 years (I must love torture, slightly better than being a cubs fan).
I implore him and everyone to avoid this game, and my advice to you Sammy is to take the Chiefs in the place of your rams bet.
Darnell Docket, had a hurt hamstring and did play against the rams during the first match up but he wasn't even close to 100%.
The Falcons offense is vastly superior to the Rams, and their defense matches up great and did the first time.
Also another problem with taking the rams here, is beanie wells, he will be back and 100% healthy.
Nate Potter the left tackle and rookie from Boise state who has played for the struggling Baptiste, shut down Clay Mattews, did well against Abraham (gave up just a sack).
Now on to Lindley, did he look horrible against the Falcons? Sure. Without question.
Consider the situation, he was playing against the best team, in the AFC, on the road, in a hostile situation. I consider that his start, even if he didn't "Start" he might as well have, and he lost.
So that plays to the already growing statistics of rookie QBs losing their first starts.
At home, with a quieter crowd, against the rams will seem much easier compared to that.
How much did his struggles have to do with him getting no reps in practice when he was throw in the falcons game? You don't know.
With more reps, he can prove to be better than even Skelton and Kolb, which lets face it - isn't hard to do.
Would be hard for him to do worse, even still this defense is more than able to win the game outright.
Also, this offensive line tackle wise, has been playing much better ball since the packers, when the replacement was put in.
So you should really only look at their work since then and throw the prior rams meeting out of the window.
The Cardinals should beat the Rams, Jets and 50/50 shot to be the Lions. They will lose the rest.
I'd advise people to look to other games, in place of this one. There is too many unknown factors and the Cardinals have dominated this series with the exception of last game.
To me this is a no play, or a small wager Cardinals Moneyline.

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Posted: 11/25/2012 11:06:09 AM
Meant NFC sorry guys. But to be fair, could be the best team in the AFC too I guess. lol
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Posted: 11/25/2012 12:58:01 PM
STL 
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Posted: 11/25/2012 3:06:11 PM
WR Amendola is listed as ACTIVE now !, this tips it Rams way now I think.  Damn...lost $  I think 
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Posted: 11/25/2012 8:29:21 PM

Nice piece of work Saint Louis and Over backers!

 

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