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Posted: 12/2/2007 10:44:47 PM

Away: Air Force [9-2 ATS]
Home: California [3-9 ATS]

Game Time: 12:30 PM
Stadium: Amon G. Carter Stadium

Recent Meetings:
09/04/04 - CAL 56 vs. AIRFC 14
09/21/02 - AIRFC 23 vs. CAL 21

Team Leaders:

Air Force:
Passing: Shaun Carney (1423)
Rushing: Chad Hall (1415)
Receiving: Chad Hall (488)

California:
Passing: Nate Longshore (2530)
Rushing: Justin Forsett (1406)
Receiving: Lavelle Hawkins (831)

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Prospect

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Posted: 12/3/2007 3:19:05 PM

No line yet. W/Out taking a serious look, I'm leaning towards Air Force.

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Posted: 12/3/2007 7:19:32 PM

Cal -4 is the line jay

Prospect

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Posted: 12/3/2007 10:21:12 PM

Thanks Hawkeye, w/ this line I gotta go w/ Air Force on this one. Need to study it a little more, but one of the first "pop out at me" plays so far.....

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Posted: 12/3/2007 10:53:50 PM

yea, can you believe Cal was ranked #2, things change fast dont they!!

Prospect

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Posted: 12/4/2007 12:28:09 AM

Was looking at some "basic" stats....And I noticed that Air Force gets "out passed" by nearly everyone, but they "out rush" everyone by a very wide margin. CAL seems to out pass the teams they play,,,but give up many more yards on the ground (even to the lesser pac-10 teams). Just seems like a good formula for an underdog here for me......IMO...

Prospect

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Posted: 12/4/2007 12:32:44 AM

Another EYE-POPPER....

...trend I noticed !!!!!

Last seven games played (both teams):

Air Force 7-0 vs. the spread

CAL 0-7 vs. the spread.

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Posted: 12/4/2007 6:02:46 PM

Last 3 \| In-Depth
Off	Avg	Yards	Pass	Rush	Y/R	Y/A
AIRFC CAL	42.0 17.7	539.0 380.7	108.7 229.0	430.3 151.7	6.7 4.7	7.8 6.6
Def	Avg	Yards	Pass	Rush	Y/R	Y/A
AIRFC CAL	19.0 27.0	330.3 375.3	273.3 144.3	57.0 231.0	1.7 4.8	6.8 6.0

Going AF + 3 1/2

Veteran

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Posted: 12/4/2007 6:41:35 PM

QUOTE Originally Posted by Jaybirdy:

Another EYE-POPPER....

...trend I noticed !!!!!

Last seven games played (both teams):

Air Force 7-0 vs. the spread

CAL 0-7 vs. the spread.

Good stuff there. Thanks for that info

theslug247

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#10

Posted: 12/6/2007 12:21:29 AM

I have been on AF all year, 9-2 ATS this year, and you are right on with that 7-0 in the last 7 games. I went to one home game and I am going to this game. The coach was Coach of the Year in the MWC and their main back Chad Hall was the offensive player of the year. They have a great defense with two good LB's and an all confrence CB. This team will be healthy and have a very balanced running game. There last game they had 3 guys go over 100yds. Air Force is moving in one direction while Cal has lost 6 of their last 7. I think the line will get better as time goes, maybe get on it late and get an extra point.

Mighty_Mo

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#11

Posted: 12/6/2007 1:09:27 PM

Air Force should be one the easiest plays of the bowl season. Cal's not be too thrilled to playing in the Armed Forces Bowl, and this is Air Force's first bowl in 5 years so they're fired up. Cal won't come to play, just like they didn't a few years ago when they lost to Texas Tech in the Holiday Bowl, after they had admirations of a BCS bowl. Hawkeye, your ATS stat speaks says it all.

Mighty_Mo

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#12

Posted: 12/6/2007 1:11:38 PM

Sorry, I meant props to Jaybirdy for the ATS stat.

Prospect

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#13

Posted: 12/6/2007 9:31:38 PM

Much appreciated MO...In all honesty, if you give me ANY bowl eligible team as a 4 point underdog against CAL,,,I would take em',,, not so much as on Air Force, but against CAL....The only Air Force game I really watched was the beating they put on Notre Dame, and that "parlayed" with the late demise of the Cal team, is what makes me a believer......I'll take Air Force as a dog in this game.....

Coloneljim

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#14

Posted: 12/9/2007 12:09:09 PM

california - 27 air force - 24

falcons +3.5 under 54

armed forces bowl how could you bet against the members of our armed forces the figthing falcons

Fwocco

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#15

Posted: 12/11/2007 8:02:21 AM

sorry to burst the bubble .. but AF ended the season vs army , san diego st, and notre dame . keeping in mind notre dame's worst team in modern history. they also caught UTAH at the right time and Wyoming at home. yeah cal fell bakwards into this one but they did so playing in the pac 10 where every weeks a brawl in he trenches. if they stop af from running could be long day for AF D.

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#16

Posted: 12/11/2007 8:04:46 AM

Cal also lost 6 out of there last 7 games, including the last two to stanford and washington.

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#17

Posted: 12/13/2007 3:05:01 PM

Air Force +3.5

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#18

Posted: 12/13/2007 11:25:54 PM

Using the last three games each played :

Air Force California

W/L Team Score ATS W/L Team Score ATS

4/8 Sd.St 55 to 23 W-13 4/8 Stanford 13 to 20 L-13 1/2

3/9 N.Dame 41 to 24 W-4 4/9 Wash 23to 37 L -6 1/2

3/9 Army 30 to 10 W-17 10/2 USC 17 to 24 L+4

Last 3 average score A/F 42 to 19 Cal 17 to 27

Last 3 averages yardage

A/F Opponent Cal. opponent

Rush 1291 171 Rush 455 693

Pass 326 820 Pass 687 433

Per game average last three

A/F total yards for/against 539 / 330 Cal. total yards for/against 380 / 375

Air Force + 4

Looking at the last two games they played similar teams with the average scores being.

A/F 48 to 24

CAL. 18 to 28

Again A/F + 4

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#19

Posted: 12/18/2007 12:13:50 PM

Interesting stats snowjocky,,,I've said this before, but I enjoy and learn from your statistical posts,,,,keep em' coming

...Best of Luck ALL

RSI

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#20

Posted: 12/26/2007 5:48:13 PM

Injuries

Air Force Falcons \| In-Depth
Caleb Morris	G	Prob Mon - Knee - 12/26/07	notesHe is expected to play in the Armed Forces Bowl despite a sore knee.
Ryan Williams	FB	Prob Mon - Ankle - 12/26/07	notesHe is likely to play in the Armed Forces Bowl despite a mild ankle sprain.
Chad Smith	RB	Prob Mon - Groin - 12/26/07	notesHe expects to play in the Armed Forces Bowl despite a minor groin pull.
Noah Garguile	DE	out for season - Knee - 9/12/07	notesHe will miss the entire season after undergoing knee surgery.

California Golden Bears \| In-Depth
Nate Longshore	QB	Prob Mon - Ankle - 12/26/07	notesHe is expected to start in the Armed Forces Bowl despite nursing a sore ankle.
DeSean Jackson	WR	Prob Mon - Thigh - 12/2/07	notesHe did not play in Week 14 due to a bruised thigh which sidelined him a few times this season. He is practicing and expects to be ready for the Armed Forces Bowl against Air Force on New Year's Eve.
Jahvid Best	RB	Ques Mon - Hip - 12/26/07	notesHe missed the second half of the season with a hip injury. He will be a game time decision Monday in the Armed Forces Bowl.
Cameron Morrah	TE	Ques Mon - Knee - 12/26/07	notesHe is considered a game time decision for the Armed Forces Bowl due to a knee injury.
Robert Peele	DB	Ques Mon - Ankle - 12/2/07	notesMissed Week 14 against Stanford with an ankle injury.
Matthew Malele	DT	Ques Mon - Knee - 12/2/07	notesMissed Week 14 against Stanford because of a knee injury.
Tom Schneider	PK	out for season - Quadricep - 10/29/07	notes

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#21

Posted: 12/26/2007 5:55:47 PM

Thanks Jay

I hope everyone wins all their wagers ,especially if were on the same sides.

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#22

Posted: 12/28/2007 9:38:47 PM

Cal. by late TD

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#23

Posted: 12/29/2007 2:06:47 AM

Early lean AIR FORCE.....Think I like it alot.....Not 100% yet....GLA.

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#24

Posted: 12/29/2007 2:10:50 AM

Cal kills it.

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#25

Posted: 12/29/2007 10:14:03 PM

At first I was thinking Air Force because of the way they play and the way Cal finished up, but after I noticed that Air Force played 1 team in the top 25, BYU and lost like 37-6 I have decided to pull the trigger on Cal - also, Cal struggled down the stretch last year as well and had to play Texas A&M - (military school) all they did was trounce them in that bowl game. So I'm going with a repeat of that this year, Longshore healthy now and looks like DeSean Jackson is doing alot better also...... What do you think? Score 31 - 17