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Author:	[Horse Racing] Topic: Not Accusing just wondering your thoughts
MIKEYCEE123	View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Veteran Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 1268 Location:	#1 Posted: 8/17/2012 1:12:32 PM I was at Track and with asst Trainer to very popular old time Trainer and he was cursing about One of the biggest crooks in this game . He said TODD PLETCHER I said no way look at the money he has backing him etc... Then he went on about his Vet and win % and so on. Question is you think so or say no way ? I say No
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bill1947	RSI View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Veteran Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 4093 Location: Florida	#2 Posted: 8/17/2012 1:22:33 PM yep, testing has not caught with all of the performance enhancing drugs..yet money talks, bullshit walks IMO no one picks 2yr old winners by the bunch, like he does. just sayin
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gambler315	RSI View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Captain Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 6406 Location:	#3 Posted: 8/17/2012 1:34:17 PM Amen Bill. I agree 100%.
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MIKEYCEE123	View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Veteran Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 1268 Location:	#4 Posted: 8/17/2012 2:13:20 PM Thats what this man was telling me before they even went to Saratoga
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pulledclear	RSI View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Banned Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 3202 Location: United States	#5 Posted: 8/18/2012 12:16:46 AM THEY ALL JUICE and disguise form. FACT!
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MIKEYCEE123	View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Veteran Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 1268 Location:	#6 Posted: 8/18/2012 1:29:49 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by pulledclear: THEY ALL JUICE and disguise form. FACT! I would say most juice Plenty top trainers said it themselves . Forgot which one said this but he said he went from being a top trainer with a full barn to a nobody cause he refuses to juice and bottom line owners want to WIN so I guess it goes NO JUICE ,NO HORSES ,NO MONEY
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MIKEYCEE123	View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Veteran Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 1268 Location:	#7 Posted: 8/18/2012 1:39:14 PM It was over 10 yrs ago but my 2 friends bought a horse that Dale Beckner (friends with them) told them to buy and 3x they supposingly held him .The day he was to win he ran up the track they told the Trainer they had(another friend but afraid to juice) we are switching to Rudy Rodriguez or Juan Serey I forget. His rule was you give me the horse but stay out of barn I will let you know Sure enough he entered him and said go bet and that horse won by about 10
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MIKEYCEE123	View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Veteran Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 1268 Location:	#8 Posted: 8/18/2012 2:49:18 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by MIKEYCEE123: I was at Track and with asst Trainer to very popular old time Trainer and he was cursing about One of the biggest crooks in this game . He said TODD PLETCHER I said no way look at the money he has backing him etc... Then he went on about his Vet and win % and so on. Question is you think so or say no way ? I say No I grew up around this game and for me to even say No makes me look like an behind .I know he has plenty of money backing him but this guys win % is just crazy . Especially with these 2yr olds like you said Bill.I mean what he buy a perfect foal of 2yr olds
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jsab	RSI View Space \| Blog \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Captain Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 7360 Location: Pennsylvania	#9 Posted: 8/19/2012 2:55:58 AM Pletcher is a friggin thieve just as Baffert and the rest of the so called name trainers as well.
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Banned Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 1144 Location:	#10 Posted: 8/19/2012 2:04:04 PM anyone notice that mike mittchell horses haven't won since he's been sick. no one knows how to make a better milk shake than mitchell. his horses are the best fades in racing right now. also oneill pulled a fast one over everyone at delmar yesterday, last day before he goes on suspenion wins three out four races with two bombs in the second and ten. blows up the pic 5... the pick 4 and the pic six.
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josbran	RSI View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Veteran Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 1588 Location: United States	#11 Posted: 8/19/2012 4:06:52 PM Ive been saying for years that trainers that win over 20% with first time starters is cheating. Granted guys like Pletcher get alot of top animals from top breeders but it still smells like cheating. Back in the old days( ie before 1980) when horses ran clean on NYRA tracks the top trainers were doing good if they had a 15% win percentage with first timers. Today Pletcher, Rudy and Asmussen every year have well over 20% with first time starters.....WHY?
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