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#52 Posted: 3/5/2012 9:56:36 AM
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#53 Posted: 3/5/2012 10:37:11 AM
BUT they DO look good vs those teams and I will take them to the championship, but losing to a team they already beat EARLY in the non-conference season.
Ill take Kansas who goes 16-2 in a tougher conference and has brrn battle-tested over an undefeated team playing weaker teams.
Teams don't make it past Elite 8:
Ohio St
Missouri
Duke
Florida
Marquette
Teams that don't make it past Sweet 16:
Wisconsin
Indiana
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#55 Posted: 3/5/2012 12:25:20 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by cjm2008:
I like North Carolina. I think they are peeking at the right time. Florida showed a Kentucky weakness yesterday in that they don't get back on defense quickly. I thing Carolina can run with them and force the tempo.
Dude, that was like 2 possessions. Kentucky gets back on defense probably better than anyone in the country. If you look REAL deep you can maybe find a flaw on offense, but on defense they are about as flawless as an NCAA basketball team can get. |
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#56 Posted: 3/5/2012 12:28:10 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by VandalRevival:
You are joking right? Have you looked at the Bobcats starting lineup
Corey Maggette, SF
Boris Diaw, PF
DeSagana Diop, C
Gerald Henderson, G
D.J. Augustin, PG
Now given the fact Bopbcats have deeper bench it would be unfair but Kentucky could and would hang with these guys until the bench play wore them down.
Can I have Kentucky +15 first half?
Kentucky gets run out of the gym. Thats grown men vs 18 year old boys. Get real.
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#57 Posted: 3/5/2012 12:34:22 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by TexasD:
Kansas wins it all over Kentucky. Kentucky in EASY conference IMO compared to Big 12. IMO if a freshman-riddled team can dominate a conference going undefeated, it shows the conference's weakness OR just how good Kentucky Really is...but that's yet to be decided until they play different teams in the NCAA Tourney.Don't get me wrong...Kentucky IS a great team...I just don't think they're challenged by conference opponents. IMO Candy is their toughest competition. Florida is just a great offense with a shitty Defense which is as bad as the likes of Georgia's D. Tennessee is really starting to play since they could focus on b-ball vs Pearl.
BUT they DO look good vs those teams and I will take them to the championship, but losing to a team they already beat EARLY in the non-conference season.
Ill take Kansas who goes 16-2 in a tougher conference and has brrn battle-tested over an undefeated team playing weaker teams.
Teams don't make it past Elite 8:
Ohio St
Missouri
Duke
Florida
Marquette
Teams that don't make it past Sweet 16:
Wisconsin
Indiana
One thing I never understood was the "easy conference" angle. First of all, SEC is not the best overall, but they do have some quality teams and even some of the lower teams have knocked off teams like Marquette, MiamiFL, Clemosn, Notre Dame, etc.....and those are the SEC botoom feeders, so it isn't like the conference is just horrible. Also, I didn't see Butler too effected by their conference the last few years. How about VCU, George Mason, Xavier, etc. Not only that, but Kentucky out of conference did play NC, Kansas, Louisville and Indiana. It's not like they aren't battle tested. I do think Kansas/KY would be an interesting match-up again, but Kentucky did beat them by 10 already and they ave improved a ton since then. Kansas has improved a lot also though, so would be interesting. |
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#58 Posted: 3/5/2012 12:38:30 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by ThrillaInMD:
kansas,,kentucky has a coach that can't coach.
If you really don't think Cal can coach, then you have no clue about basketball. Yes, he gets talent, but to get them to play like they do.....especially on the defensive end and how unselfish they are is a direct attribute to him his staff and of course to the players for buying in. |
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#59 Posted: 3/5/2012 12:42:00 PM Kentucky gets run out of the gym. Thats grown men vs 18 year old boys. Get real
I'm a UK fan and alum and I agree 100%. |
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#61 Posted: 3/5/2012 1:04:05 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by E-Muffin:
If you really don't think Cal can coach, then you have no clue about basketball. Yes, he gets talent, but to get them to play like they do.....especially on the defensive end and how unselfish they are is a direct attribute to him his staff and of course to the players for buying in.
I'm not saying Cal is a bad coach. But he is a much better salesman and recruiter than he is a coach.
I wish Tom Izzo was as good of a recruiter as Cal is. Because if he was, Michigan State would have at least two more National Titles during his time as head coach.
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#63 Posted: 3/5/2012 1:13:42 PM "I'm not saying Cal is a bad coach. But he is a much better salesman and recruiter than he is a coach.
I wish Tom Izzo was as good of a recruiter as Cal is. Because if he was, Michigan State would have at least two more National Titles during his time as head coach. "
You are right about being a salesman and recruiter for sure. I just think he doesn't get the credit he deserves for being a good coach as well. I think it's overlooked because of his ability to get talent. I'm by no means saying he's the best at coaching.......just think he is very good and better then people think.
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#64 Posted: 3/5/2012 1:17:55 PM Missouri, Baylor, Iowa St., & Kansas St VS Florida Vanderbilt, Tennessee, & we'll throw Alabama in there.
Gotcha....I would say Big 12 is better at the top, but it's not that far off. I will say I think Baylor and Missouri are a tad over-rated. I'm actually hoping Missouri ends up as Kentucky's 2 seed(if Duke doesn't). They are very good, but Kentucky would be a match-up nightmare for them size wise. |
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#66 Posted: 3/5/2012 6:42:26 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by E-Muffin: "I'm not saying Cal is a bad coach. But he is a much better salesman and recruiter than he is a coach.
I wish Tom Izzo was as good of a recruiter as Cal is. Because if he was, Michigan State would have at least two more National Titles during his time as head coach. "
You are right about being a salesman and recruiter for sure. I just think he doesn't get the credit he deserves for being a good coach as well. I think it's overlooked because of his ability to get talent. I'm by no means saying he's the best at coaching.......just think he is very good and better then people think.
I agree Cal is a solid coach on the floor, and actually much better than Bill Self as another poster suggested. |
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#67 Posted: 3/5/2012 7:28:01 PM
All that said unc does match up the best against us.... But I don't think they will shoot"65% from 3 again either.
I'm nervous about mizzou, cuse and unc.....Nobody else beats us unless they garbage there pants
Ohio state and big 10 top teams most overrated teams in countrySully sucks anytime He plays anyone with good bigs.... Ie yesterday against state and I would not even say they have good bigsI don't consider green a big really with his skill set |
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#68 Posted: 3/5/2012 7:43:25 PM
Any power conference is going to recruit solid talent, so most every D1 school has 'Talent."
Uconn has showed nothing and I mean nothing all year that they belong anywhere in a conversation about making a deep run.
IMO they should not even be in the tourny, and if they are it most likely will be one and done. If they do happen to make it to 32, I will be loading up on the opponent.
If Uconn does pull a miracle and make a run I will be back here to eat crow, but I'm very confident that won't happen. |
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#69 Posted: 3/5/2012 8:56:23 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by Lbeezy:
Ohio state and big 10 top teams most overrated teams in countrySully sucks anytime He plays anyone with good bigs.... Ie yesterday against state and I would not even say they have good bigsI don't consider green a big really with his skill set
100% agree about Big 10 being overrated. Really, I'm from Wisconsin and watch plenty of it,...and I'd say NO BIG 10 TEAM makes it past the Sweet 16. There I go, I said it. Yep, NO Elite 8 for them.
Obvious choices to prove me wrong would be Michigan St and Ohio St., but I AM NOT IMPRESSED with them and would highly argue someone if they mentioned that they thought they were Final 4 teams. I'd laugh them off the board. NOT going to happen.
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#70 Posted: 3/5/2012 9:03:40 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by earthWake: I'm still baffled that someone threw out the name Uconn on here.
Any power conference is going to recruit solid talent, so most every D1 school has 'Talent."
Uconn has showed nothing and I mean nothing all year that they belong anywhere in a conversation about making a deep run.
IMO they should not even be in the tourny, and if they are it most likely will be one and done. If they do happen to make it to 32, I will be loading up on the opponent.
If Uconn does pull a miracle and make a run I will be back here to eat crow, but I'm very confident that won't happen.
your fuckin retarded.. lamb and hummond are both lottery picks.. oriakhi wouldve been last year.. boatwright and napier can both make it in the nba
they have more talent than most division 1 teams just have played together and how do you want your crow cooked? |
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#71 Posted: 3/5/2012 10:23:06 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by TexasD:
100% agree about Big 10 being overrated. Really, I'm from Wisconsin and watch plenty of it,...and I'd say NO BIG 10 TEAM makes it past the Sweet 16. There I go, I said it. Yep, NO Elite 8 for them.
Obvious choices to prove me wrong would be Michigan St and Ohio St., but I AM NOT IMPRESSED with them and would highly argue someone if they mentioned that they thought they were Final 4 teams. I'd laugh them off the board. NOT going to happen.
But, that's just my opinion.
Bold statement about the Big 10. I disagree. I think they will have at least one, but more likely 2 teams in the elite 8. Obviously the draw could change my decision but I think a lot of teams would have match up problems with the front court of MSU and OSU. If they were to draw teams like Mizzou or Marquette in the Sweet 16 it could be to their benefit.
I also wouldn't be shocked to see the Badgers shock someone in the tourney. Bo Ryan has a way of frustrating the garbage out of teams that want to play uptempo. I know they have had a down regular season but they could be dangerous in the tourney. |
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#72 Posted: 3/5/2012 10:43:29 PM kENTUCKY GETTING ALOT OF LOVE IN THAT HORRIBLE, PITIFUL CONFERENCE THEY FROM.
UNC HAD EM EARLY AT KENTUCKY FOR 80% OF THE GAME THEY WERE WINNING.
Not feeling Syracuse at all either. Kentucky is got a good chance but if you wanna crown em, then crown em, but they aint off the hook.  |
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#73 Posted: 3/5/2012 11:27:34 PM
The conference is not that bad.... I'll take uk vandy and Florida against any 3 except maybe the big 12..... I think they have 3 best at top..... I don't care about depth cause that is not what matters because Wisconsin or Florida state or whoever you wanna say is 4 th best in any inference is not gonna win anyway
Unc shot like 65% from 3 and still lost.... Take that for what it's worth. I do however think they match up with uk best. As a uk fan I would rather not play unc
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#74 Posted: 3/6/2012 4:28:46 AM
Take a look at St Mary's, and Gonzaga.
Those resume's are pathetic. No clue how they were able to hold the ranks they did this year. Outside of each other neither have a single quality win.
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#75 Posted: 3/6/2012 8:27:36 AM
In all honesty, without being bold,....I only see MSU having a chance at the Elite 8. That's just my opinion. |
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