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Posted: 8/8/2011 6:55:05 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by ArtSchlichterJr:

Quick name five caddies on tour who have not caddied for Tiger.... Yep so important to the game they are nameless...
Caddies are very important. Up to 2 shots a round, 8 per tourney. Maybe miss or make cut. The right caddie is very necessary for a successful tourney
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Posted: 8/8/2011 7:50:55 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

steve williams is a moron. he thinks he won the tournament. he should probably give adam scott a little credit.

this will put a fire under tigers behind. just what he needed.

 


Detox, Detox, Detox.

Is this what it's coming down to? Tiger needs to be motivated by an ex-caddie that never mentioned his name? Please tell me your hopes of a TW return glory are not pinned to a caddies comments?

I believe we've reached the point of motivational desperation if this is true.
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Posted: 8/8/2011 8:00:35 PM
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Caddies are very important. Up to 2 shots a round, 8 per tourney. Maybe miss or make cut. The right caddie is very necessary for a successful tourney
Disagree... But every player has a caddy... So your saying Williams is 8 shots better for his golfer then the next unkown ranked caddy or is it 8 shots better then the worst caddy on the tour.. Does the bad caddy have a bad yardage book.. misread putts... mistimed pep talks.... Sure each caddy helps his player but they all even each other out for the most..  No better no worse for the most part just the player you grab determines how good of a caddy you are..  Shawn O' Hair had his best year with his FATHER- IN- LAW on the bag a rook caddy.. ... Stricker used his WIFE for a few years.. LOL CADDYS ...
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Posted: 8/9/2011 12:34:05 AM
And how much better is stricker now with a proper caddy?

They are good for advice and confidence. They settle players down. Only good golfers understand how valuable a good caddy is.
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Posted: 8/9/2011 7:41:18 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by UnderandOver:

And how much better is stricker now with a proper caddy?

They are good for advice and confidence. They settle players down. Only good golfers understand how valuable a good caddy is.
Have played golf for over 30 years in various amauter levels including tournies .. As an amauter a caddy is more important to the golfer but at the pro level its almost a non factor.. schools out..
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Posted: 8/9/2011 7:42:34 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by UnderandOver:

And how much better is stricker now with a proper caddy?

They are good for advice and confidence. They settle players down. Only good golfers understand how valuable a good caddy is.
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Posted: 8/9/2011 7:43:21 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by ArtSchlichterJr:

Have played golf for over 30 years in various amauter levels including tournies .. As an amauter a caddy is more important to the golfer but at the pro level its almost a non factor.. schools out..
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Posted: 8/9/2011 7:53:19 AM

After all the bullshit Tiger is sitting in the middle of the field for now and Stevie rides the wave.....this may change or may not.

The one fact is that Scott must value Stevie to put up with his mouth.

If I was Adam Scott and I was thinking this friggin tool didn't even give ME any credit I may be telling him we need a break.....but Adam was gracious and a little tounge in cheek but obviously he recognizes Stevie's contribution.

I wouldn't be too surprised if that happened and we hear a retirement speech from Stevie in the near future if his attitude publiclly does not change.

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Posted: 8/9/2011 7:59:12 AM
But for all the haters, Stevie has a bunch of supporters that love him because he represents the working man not taking any garbage and the public loves that...Stevie is also not a dummy and he may turn back into a clam for awhile...hopefully he nevers finds that pen to write any stupid books.
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Posted: 8/9/2011 8:03:13 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by UnderandOver:

And how much better is stricker now with a proper caddy?

They are good for advice and confidence. They settle players down. Only good golfers understand how valuable a good caddy is.
Of course you probably know more then Jack Nicklaus who used the same caddy for 19 YEARS.. Nicklaus famous quote on caddies... " A caddy has three ups in his job description... Show up...keep up.... shut up "... Nuff said..
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Posted: 8/9/2011 10:07:41 AM
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Of course you probably know more then Jack Nicklaus who used the same caddy for 19 YEARS.. Nicklaus famous quote on caddies... " A caddy has three ups in his job description... Show up...keep up.... shut up "... Nuff said..

Art you must know that Nicklaus does not believe that quip all funny statements made by golfers are not gospel, I believe in this instance he attempting to be funny.

 A Caddie's job has also changed with technology in the old days a player would turn to his caddy and ask how far and he would say looks about 150 to me, alot has changed now when you get a sheet at a tournament it tells you total widths and dephs of all the sand traps and every possible measurement it wasn't always that way. In the old days a good caddy would pace off a course during monday qualifiers and players took much more responsibilty for their own measurements than they do today.Nevermind in the old days a caddy would not be present for every range session practice or putting practice or running by his  players side in non existent workouts, they were not smart enough to be shrinks to their players  but they shinned a hell ava shoe.

Plus purse winning were not always shared by percentage the early tour caddies lugged the sack per day rate

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Posted: 8/9/2011 11:25:03 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Bluefin:

Art you must know that Nicklaus does not believe that quip all funny statements made by golfers are not gospel, I believe in this instance he attempting to be funny.

 A Caddie's job has also changed with technology in the old days a player would turn to his caddy and ask how far and he would say looks about 150 to me, alot has changed now when you get a sheet at a tournament it tells you total widths and dephs of all the sand traps and every possible measurement it wasn't always that way. In the old days a good caddy would pace off a course during monday qualifiers and players took much more responsibilty for their own measurements than they do today.Nevermind in the old days a caddy would not be present for every range session practice or putting practice or running by his  players side in non existent workouts, they were not smart enough to be shrinks to their players  but they shinned a hell ava shoe.

Plus purse winning were not always shared by percentage the early tour caddies lugged the sack per day rate

Agree the job is more precise now but that being said all the players have loopers with the same info basically which cancels out each other for the most.. Dont buy into the fact that at this level they need  a "pep talk" very often if they do they are in trouble at this level.. These players are the best of the best at this point they are mentally tough.. Even giving you that point once again they all have loopers who they can cry on their shoulders.. Telling fact is that in the golf Hall of Fame there are ZERO loopers.. Hell even in the NFL & MLB coaches get in.. Sorry caddies are important no doubt but they all have them and NONE hit a shot.. Grab a good golfer and your a great caddy ...Put Williams on Duvall's bag and he still aint making the cut.. PS Jack was not laughing when he made that statement.. His kid must be a hell of a caddy because in 86 when he won a Major he called it his greatest win .. Important yes.. difference maker ...not so much..
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Posted: 8/9/2011 11:35:01 AM
John Daly on the DP show this morning, "We take all the credit when we do well and when we don't do well we blame the caddie."
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Posted: 8/9/2011 11:36:42 AM
I guess we agree to disagree but if Scott can put up with Stevie's mouth he must find some value greater than a power cart in him.
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Posted: 8/9/2011 11:48:44 AM
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best week of your life? really? yeah you winning four straight majors with Tiger must of totally sucked....Williams is acting like a scorned little girl, congrats your boss won the tournament, the problem is Williams face is everywhere and Scott is getting pushed to the back of all the bullshit, I swear I never saw Williams hit a shot, make a putt etc....congrats Adam, you're a class act, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if this type of attenion goes to the caddy every week that Scott doesnt fire this darn stick as well......your a caddie Williams, sorry you got dumped over the phone, get over it, caddies get dumped all the time.....Adam Scott damn near won the Masters this year and Stevie wasn't there and even if he was he wouldn't of stopped 4 straight birds by another player....to me the class act if Williams had any would of been to no comment the media and have all the accolades and focus go to Adam instead this doucher is holding a presser after the round and putting back handed comments on Woods who made this idiot a multi millionaire..........

PERFECTLY SAID!!  How many other caddies have been hired and fired since and no one gives two shits?  Tiger made Steve Williams not the other way around.  Steve Williams is a narcasistic piece of crap and got rich because of Tiger.  He should take his place along with zamboni drivers; they are better seen and not heard!  Name some caddies on tour - exactly!  Fluff maybe?  I hope Adam Scott tires of him and fires his over-grown rugby playing behind and then we will see how "it was the best win of my life"!

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Posted: 8/9/2011 2:58:46 PM
And Tiger's not the most narcissistic athlete? You must be joking.
I have no problem with yet another distraction on Tiger's plate. Let's see how the 28th ranked player in the world does this week.

Last week he was only 18 shots off the lead. I guess if he was more comfortable on the course (he only won 7 times at Firestone) he would've done better.

Steve Williams has been a caddie for 33 years, he was caddying when TW was shitting in his pants. TW picked him because he's the best.


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Posted: 8/9/2011 4:02:01 PM
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And Tiger's not the most narcissistic athlete? You must be joking.
I have no problem with yet another distraction on Tiger's plate. Let's see how the 28th ranked player in the world does this week.

Last week he was only 18 shots off the lead. I guess if he was more comfortable on the course (he only won 7 times at Firestone) he would've done better.

Steve Williams has been a caddie for 33 years, he was caddying when TW was shitting in his pants. TW picked him because he's the best.


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Posted: 8/9/2011 4:34:36 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Killer_B:

And Tiger's not the most narcissistic athlete? You must be joking.
I have no problem with yet another distraction on Tiger's plate. Let's see how the 28th ranked player in the world does this week.

Last week he was only 18 shots off the lead. I guess if he was more comfortable on the course (he only won 7 times at Firestone) he would've done better.

Steve Williams has been a caddie for 33 years, he was caddying when TW was shitting in his pants. TW picked him because he's the best.


  True he may be the 28th ranked this year but at the end of the day if he never wins another tourney in his life he will leave the SECOND best golfer EVER to play the game.. Thats all he has left to prove will he retire as the best or second to Jack.. That is WORD my friend.. Nobody with any golf knowledge can dispute that..PS IMO he aint done yet.. Steve Williams will probably get fired again like he did by the  best two players he caddied for.. Tiger & Norman.. Both booted him to the curb..
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Posted: 8/10/2011 12:19:55 AM
Can you tell me why Tiger booted the best caddie in golf? What did he do? He was loyal to Tiger. Even after the scandal he had his back. He was idle for a long time and I believe he loves his job and wanted to work with Adam Scott until TW was ready. Is Woods (of all people) the jealous type? He never should've fired the guy, but I had a feeling he was next. I mean, who's left? TW can't fire his Mother.

I can't disagree that TW is at least the 2nd best player to ever play golf. I have no problem admitting that. IMO, he is done. He'll win again. Too many tournaments not to win something, but majors - I doubt it, dominate again? I doubt that too. He had a great run.
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Posted: 8/10/2011 12:29:21 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Killer_B:

Can you tell me why Tiger booted the best caddie in golf? What did he do? He was loyal to Tiger. Even after the scandal he had his back. He was idle for a long time and I believe he loves his job and wanted to work with Adam Scott until TW was ready. Is Woods (of all people) the jealous type? He never should've fired the guy, but I had a feeling he was next. I mean, who's left? TW can't fire his Mother.

I can't disagree that TW is at least the 2nd best player to ever play golf. I have no problem admitting that. IMO, he is done. He'll win again. Too many tournaments not to win something, but majors - I doubt it, dominate again? I doubt that too. He had a great run.

Someone out of Tiger's "camp", I read somewhere, that Tiger told him to cut ties with Tiger's Ex-Wife.  (TW's Wife and Steve were very close during TW's marriage).  Steve didn't listen to these directions and was still talking to her(not in any sexual way, just as friends) and Tiger decided to cut ties because he didn't trust him.

Makes sense to me.  If I can't trust a friend, they are useless to me.
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Posted: 8/10/2011 2:13:00 AM
Makes plenty of sense to me too. The guy dictates who Steve can talk to. wtf?

Certainly, TW has every right to demand who Steve talks to, I mean Elin is a real piece of garbage isn't she? How dare Steve remain friends with her. 

TW can't trust him? Where's trust in this equation? TW is a pompous, narcissistic, narcotic idiot and is getting everything he deserves for deceiving Elin and the world that he had some class. 

How much better off will Steve be now. Let's see, he did next to nothing for 2 years and won nothing up until last Sunday. TW really fixed him.
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Posted: 8/10/2011 6:52:24 AM
Killer B is talking sense, but jeeze there are some idiots in these forums!

Williams was and is the best caddy, hence why the best golfer (tiger) chose him.... tough to get through to some people.

People loved steve when he was on tigers bad, and now they hate him... because??? He made comments after the game? I bet if they interviewed every caddy they'd say the same, but they don't do they
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Posted: 8/10/2011 10:56:59 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Killer_B:

Makes plenty of sense to me too. The guy dictates who Steve can talk to. wtf?

Certainly, TW has every right to demand who Steve talks to, I mean Elin is a real piece of garbage isn't she? How dare Steve remain friends with her. 

TW can't trust him? Where's trust in this equation? TW is a pompous, narcissistic, narcotic idiot and is getting everything he deserves for deceiving Elin and the world that he had some class. 

How much better off will Steve be now. Let's see, he did next to nothing for 2 years and won nothing up until last Sunday. TW really fixed him.

You're not looking at this as a business.  TW was Steve's boss and he requested him to cut contact with his ex.  If you do not listen to your boss, you get fired.  It's life. 

Whether TW is a good boss, is for the world to decide. 

Do I like, respect, or root for Tiger?  Never. I've always thought he was a pompous fool I respected his old game and that's it.

Do I like, respect, or root for Steve?  No, I think he's a person too and do not like him.  He showed up his boss this week and is lucky he didn't get fired again.  But I do respect his ability to caddy.  I was rooting for him this week, but probably never again
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Posted: 8/10/2011 10:06:28 PM
He broke THE CODE. Period.....
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Posted: 8/10/2011 11:02:58 PM
Adequate reply KGC. I get where your coming from.

No surprise to me that Woods can't handle Williams having any contact whatsoever with Elin.

So at this low point of career, he dumps the best caddie in the world.
Another great move by Woods, what's left to change?
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