Yes---many people do not realize the firebombing campaigns leading up to this killed more people than both bombs combined. Really forced Truman's hand. One of the many reasons I say that is the toughest job there is and I have no idea what is second.
Yes---many people do not realize the firebombing campaigns leading up to this killed more people than both bombs combined. Really forced Truman's hand. One of the many reasons I say that is the toughest job there is and I have no idea what is second.
Thank god it worked too becuase the Japanese thought we had more N bombs but we only had 2.
Thank god it worked too becuase the Japanese thought we had more N bombs but we only had 2.
At the time, both General Eisenhower(Supreme Commander of Allied forces in Europe) and General MacArthur(Supreme Commander of US Army in Pacific) disagreed.
The strongest argument for dropping the bomb was to save American lives, particularly for those in case of ground invasion. However, Eisenhower said during a interview in 1963, "The bombs were not dropped to ward off a ground invasion. The bombs were not dropped to save American lives". General MacArthur later said, "The war might have ended weeks earlier if U.S had agreed, as it did later anyway, to the retention of the institution of Emperor".
I understand and agree it's hard to find sympathy for the "aggressor" but that's beside the point.
At the time, both General Eisenhower(Supreme Commander of Allied forces in Europe) and General MacArthur(Supreme Commander of US Army in Pacific) disagreed.
The strongest argument for dropping the bomb was to save American lives, particularly for those in case of ground invasion. However, Eisenhower said during a interview in 1963, "The bombs were not dropped to ward off a ground invasion. The bombs were not dropped to save American lives". General MacArthur later said, "The war might have ended weeks earlier if U.S had agreed, as it did later anyway, to the retention of the institution of Emperor".
I understand and agree it's hard to find sympathy for the "aggressor" but that's beside the point.
At the time, both General Eisenhower(Supreme Commander of Allied forces in Europe) and General MacArthur(Supreme Commander of US Army in Pacific) disagreed.
The strongest argument for dropping the bomb was to save American lives, particularly for those in case of ground invasion. However, Eisenhower said during a interview in 1963, "The bombs were not dropped to ward off a ground invasion. The bombs were not dropped to save American lives". General MacArthur later said, "The war might have ended weeks earlier if U.S had agreed, as it did later anyway, to the retention of the institution of Emperor".
I understand and agree it's hard to find sympathy for the "aggressor" but that's beside the point.
At the time, both General Eisenhower(Supreme Commander of Allied forces in Europe) and General MacArthur(Supreme Commander of US Army in Pacific) disagreed.
The strongest argument for dropping the bomb was to save American lives, particularly for those in case of ground invasion. However, Eisenhower said during a interview in 1963, "The bombs were not dropped to ward off a ground invasion. The bombs were not dropped to save American lives". General MacArthur later said, "The war might have ended weeks earlier if U.S had agreed, as it did later anyway, to the retention of the institution of Emperor".
I understand and agree it's hard to find sympathy for the "aggressor" but that's beside the point.
9. It is not believed that in the present state of political opinion the United States government is capable of declaring war against Japan without more ado; and it is barely possible that vigorous action on our part might lead the Japanese to modify their attitude. Therefore, the following course of action is suggested:
A. Make an arrangement with Britain for the use of British bases in the Pacific, particularly Singapore.
B. Make an arrangement with Holland for the use of base facilities and acquisition of supplies in the Dutch East Indies.
C. Give all possible aid to the Chinese government of Chiang-Kai-Shek.
D. Send a division of long range heavy cruisers to the Orient, Philippines, or Singapore.
E. Send two divisions of submarines to the Orient.
F. Keep the main strength of the U.S. fleet now in the Pacific in the vicinity of the Hawaiian Islands.
G. Insist that the Dutch refuse to grant Japanese demands for undue economic concessions, particularly oil.
H. Completely embargo all U.S. trade with Japan, in collaboration with a similar embargo imposed by the British Empire.
10. If by these means Japan could be led to commit an overt act of war, so much the better. At all events we must be fully prepared to accept the threat of war.
- H. McCollum
McCollum Memo written October 7th 1940 (declassified in 1994)
9. It is not believed that in the present state of political opinion the United States government is capable of declaring war against Japan without more ado; and it is barely possible that vigorous action on our part might lead the Japanese to modify their attitude. Therefore, the following course of action is suggested:
A. Make an arrangement with Britain for the use of British bases in the Pacific, particularly Singapore.
B. Make an arrangement with Holland for the use of base facilities and acquisition of supplies in the Dutch East Indies.
C. Give all possible aid to the Chinese government of Chiang-Kai-Shek.
D. Send a division of long range heavy cruisers to the Orient, Philippines, or Singapore.
E. Send two divisions of submarines to the Orient.
F. Keep the main strength of the U.S. fleet now in the Pacific in the vicinity of the Hawaiian Islands.
G. Insist that the Dutch refuse to grant Japanese demands for undue economic concessions, particularly oil.
H. Completely embargo all U.S. trade with Japan, in collaboration with a similar embargo imposed by the British Empire.
10. If by these means Japan could be led to commit an overt act of war, so much the better. At all events we must be fully prepared to accept the threat of war.
- H. McCollum
McCollum Memo written October 7th 1940 (declassified in 1994)
"Once Churchill and the British saw after Dunkirk that they were doomed without American help, a deal was made to open up the Saudi Arabian oil concessions to the Rockefellers. The Pearl Harbor disaster was then arranged in order to galvanize Americans into support for going into war. Needed defenses were denied to the Naval Commanders at Pearl Harbor. The American warships at Pearl Harbor were all brought in and bottled up within the harbor like sitting ducks in spite of growing tensions with Japan and even rumors of imminent attack. Finally when the attack itself came, advanced warnings from several sources were all ignored-- suppressed in Washington. The actual day and hour of the attack was known to President Roosevelt and his boss Nelson Rockefeller one week ahead of time, and nothing was done but to sit tight and make sure that the Pearl Harbor attack occurred as planned...."
Sounds about right.
"Once Churchill and the British saw after Dunkirk that they were doomed without American help, a deal was made to open up the Saudi Arabian oil concessions to the Rockefellers. The Pearl Harbor disaster was then arranged in order to galvanize Americans into support for going into war. Needed defenses were denied to the Naval Commanders at Pearl Harbor. The American warships at Pearl Harbor were all brought in and bottled up within the harbor like sitting ducks in spite of growing tensions with Japan and even rumors of imminent attack. Finally when the attack itself came, advanced warnings from several sources were all ignored-- suppressed in Washington. The actual day and hour of the attack was known to President Roosevelt and his boss Nelson Rockefeller one week ahead of time, and nothing was done but to sit tight and make sure that the Pearl Harbor attack occurred as planned...."
Sounds about right.
You have broadened your knowledge?
Really?
And from what sources are those?
You, in one thread title and a paragraph have regurgitated the single most inane fiction about the atomic bomb.
I suggest you continue to broaden your knowledge because you are so off base with your commentary it's as sad as it is remarkable (and what is this commentary for, Veteran's Day? You are 'honoring' Veteran's somehow by justifying the bomb and its use in 2014??? Wow, what a guy. Not only that, but you are ridiculously off base.).
You have broadened your knowledge?
Really?
And from what sources are those?
You, in one thread title and a paragraph have regurgitated the single most inane fiction about the atomic bomb.
I suggest you continue to broaden your knowledge because you are so off base with your commentary it's as sad as it is remarkable (and what is this commentary for, Veteran's Day? You are 'honoring' Veteran's somehow by justifying the bomb and its use in 2014??? Wow, what a guy. Not only that, but you are ridiculously off base.).
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