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#501 Posted: 7/20/2012 11:10:45 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by Rostos:
Lets play your game....
Last night what the man did last night at the screening, good on him, sucked in to the families who got affected. Serves them right......NOW, while you say to me that i am wrong, THIS IS NO DIFFERENT AT ALL to me saying that Sarah Jessica Parker is better looking than Kate Upton, NONE at all.....While the more popular opinion is that Kate Upton is better looking than SJP (much like popular opinion is that what that guy did was wrong) IT DOESNT MEAN i am wrong under the world of atheism....
I noticed their was a thread made about the shootings last night...
I will bet you anything you like, anything you like, if i entered that thread randomly and said "suck garbage to the families of the effected and i really liked what that guy did, good on him"........I gurantee you, anything you like, i will create so much anger, hatred and i bet you i will get this account suspended.....
Would i get the same response if i said said SJP is better looking than Kate Upton? Would i get the same response if i said drinking raw eggs tastes better than Black forrest chocolate cake? WOuld my account be suspended if i made those remarks?
After all, Its all subjective opinion.......
The problems of atheism,....
You keep saying the same thing over and over again. You have yet to even begin to refute my argument. Because what I am saying is fact. As sure as I am that 2+2 = 4, morals are relative. It is indisputable. You can create as specific of a scenario as you want, even one where literally every human being would agree...that still doesn't make morals absolute. The fact that it is so difficult for you to even come up with a scenario where you can try and get everyone on the same side only further validates my point. I can't believe we're still having this argument. It is like saying 2+2 doesn't always equal 4. It does. Stop it. End of discussion. Morals are relative. Stop it. End of discussion. |
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#502 Posted: 7/20/2012 11:11:57 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by cd329: System, you can keep babbling all you want, but the truth is science doesnt prove God exists, nor does it prove he doesnt exist.
Science is just human opinions and i hate to burst your bubble, but humans dont have all the answers
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#503 Posted: 7/20/2012 11:40:07 PM Quote Posted by RJS:
So the massacre was a part of your friggin "god's" masterplan?
Or was it "free will"??? Whose "free will" then?
darn your "god" - hope he burns in hell - if it existed.
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No, the massacre was not part of God's masterplan. It was a tragically senseless evil wicked act carried out by that deeply troubled young 24 yr. old man. My heart goes out to the victims and their families.
God's master plan is for you to live with Him in heaven. "For God loved the world so much that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life" (John 3:16).
Before Adam and Eve sinned (Genesis3), they had a good relationship with God. Therefore, they were not ashamed to come into God's presence. But after they sinned, their relationship with God changed, and they were ashamed to come into God's physical presence.
Sin had separated them and the entire human race-including you-from God. But God did not want sin to keep people from having a relationship with him.
So he provided a way in which people could be cleansed of their sins and live with Him in heaven forever. He gave His only Son, Jesus, as the perfect payment for everyone's sins.
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#504 Posted: 7/21/2012 12:48:58 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by cd329:
System, you can keep babbling all you want, but the truth is science doesnt prove God exists, nor does it prove he doesnt exist.
Science is just human opinions and i hate to burst your bubble, but humans dont have all the answers
Again , you're having problems with comprehension. I never said science proved "god" or that science proves "god" doesn't exists. It doesn't have too, you do (now if you want to use science to try and do that, then fine). 
Since you don't seem to know the meaning of science, I'll give it to you.
Science (from Latin scientia, meaning "knowledge") is a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the universe.[1]
Rostos, you might want to read this definition too.
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#505 Posted: 7/21/2012 12:52:09 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake: Quote Posted by RJS:
So the massacre was a part of your friggin "god's" masterplan?
Or was it "free will"??? Whose "free will" then?
darn your "god" - hope he burns in hell - if it existed.
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No, the massacre was not part of God's masterplan. It was a tragically senseless evil wicked act carried out by that deeply troubled young 24 yr. old man. My heart goes out to the victims and their families.
God's master plan is for you to live with Him in heaven. "For God loved the world so much that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life" (John 3:16).
Before Adam and Eve sinned (Genesis3), they had a good relationship with God. Therefore, they were not ashamed to come into God's presence. But after they sinned, their relationship with God changed, and they were ashamed to come into God's physical presence.
Sin had separated them and the entire human race-including you-from God. But God did not want sin to keep people from having a relationship with him.
So he provided a way in which people could be cleansed of their sins and live with Him in heaven forever. He gave His only Son, Jesus, as the perfect payment for everyone's sins.
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#506 Posted: 7/21/2012 12:54:48 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:
You keep saying the same thing over and over again. You have yet to even begin to refute my argument. Because what I am saying is fact. As sure as I am that 2+2 = 4, morals are relative. It is indisputable. You can create as specific of a scenario as you want, even one where literally every human being would agree...that still doesn't make morals absolute. The fact that it is so difficult for you to even come up with a scenario where you can try and get everyone on the same side only further validates my point. I can't believe we're still having this argument. It is like saying 2+2 doesn't always equal 4. It does. Stop it. End of discussion. Morals are relative. Stop it. End of discussion.
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#507 Posted: 7/21/2012 2:41:10 AM Come onto the thread about what happened last night...
Go on, and watch.... |
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#508 Posted: 7/21/2012 7:22:17 PM Wow, the debate is still raging. For the believers, I'm not judging. You all have faith, good for you. But I do have a question:
How do you know your Christian god is the right religion? Quoting the bible is meaningless. I could quote a Stephen King book and that doesn't make ghosts real. You have to realize, when you quote passes from the bible, all us non-believers see you doing is quoting words from some guy who lived hundreds of years ago. It means nothing to us. You're saying it was divine inspiration for those words to be written, but what you're really doing is asking us to have faith, as you do, that that was indeed the case. But since we're faithless, we don't see the logic in quoting a book that for all we know is complete gibberish.
If I were to believe in a supreme creator, it sure wouldn't be a man-like being with a beard who cares about what happens on this planet. It would be something inconceivable, like a sentient beam of light or something. I think it is hugely egotistical to assume god is just sooooo like us. As Bill Maher said "he has kids?? What is this, 'Hee Haw?'"
Back to my question though...how do you know your religion is right? Conversely, how do you know, say, some ancient Norse religion is wrong? |
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#509 Posted: 7/21/2012 7:36:34 PM Follow up question to my last post...for the believers: Are you willing to admit that god exists but maybe you have it all wrong? Maybe there is a god but there is no heaven or hell? Maybe there is a god and he's mean and sends EVERYONE to hell? Maybe there is a god but he doesn't love us and we're nothing but ants to it, maybe it doesn't even know or care we exist, like microorganisms in some science lab?
One of the things I can't comprehend is how you claim to know god. Like, if you said "I believe in SOMETHING, but I have no idea what it could be. It could be anything. Or, I could be dead wrong. But, it gives me peace to choose to believe in this one religion, as it adheres closest to my life." I could live with that statement. It's kind of like, I don't blindly follow science but science tells me the sun is a giant ball of gaseous elements. That could be dead wrong, but I choose to believe it because it makes the most sense to me, being that I live in this century with all the accumulated knowledge we have. |
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#510 Posted: 7/21/2012 7:39:00 PM Like, I just read post 503 and SJD has the audacity to say the recent tragedy wasn't part of god's plan.
How could you POSSIBLY know this??? You're speaking for god now????? |
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#511 Posted: 7/21/2012 7:53:32 PM Agent cooper, maybe you havent read my posts clearly. I think you are getting God and religion screwed up, well at least in my case.
I believe that somebody or something created our world and it doesnt have anything to do with religion. I think religion just takes advantage of Gods name to line their pockets.
But i stick by my opinion, somebody or something created this world, everything didnt just evolve |
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#512 Posted: 7/21/2012 10:48:18 PM As i wrote in the other thread...
Why do people want to hit him and harm the murderer last night?
Didnt his brain just evolve differently from the rest of us? it's just different. Just as the chemical reactions are different for homosexuals, which is acceptable to most atheists, so it should be for rapists and serial killers and child molesters. They're all OK....they just have a different chemical makeup and in no way should be blamed for what those chemical reactions make them do. Technically they shouldn't even be punished for what they do. I mean......who are WE to tell THEM how to live their lives? They were simply born that way so why should we punish them for that? We should be sympathetic to their desires and try to help them but certainly not punish them. They just have different chemical reactions than we do. Its not their fault... |
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#513 Posted: 7/21/2012 11:00:24 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by Rostos: As i wrote in the other thread...
Why do people want to hit him and harm the murderer last night?
Didnt his brain just evolve differently from the rest of us? it's just different. Just as the chemical reactions are different for homosexuals, which is acceptable to most atheists, so it should be for rapists and serial killers and child molesters. They're all OK....they just have a different chemical makeup and in no way should be blamed for what those chemical reactions make them do. Technically they shouldn't even be punished for what they do. I mean......who are WE to tell THEM how to live their lives? They were simply born that way so why should we punish them for that? We should be sympathetic to their desires and try to help them but certainly not punish them. They just have different chemical reactions than we do. Its not their fault...
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#514 Posted: 7/22/2012 12:41:08 AM Quote Posted by agentcooper:
Like, I just read post 503 and SJD has the audacity to say the recent tragedy wasn't part of god's plan.
How could you POSSIBLY know this??? You're speaking for god now?????
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Unlike you I have read and studied the Holy Bilble and so I know what God is all about.
He has given us written laws, through Moses. Have you ever heard of Moses? Have you ever heard of the Ten Commandments?
Well one of the commandments is commandment number six which states: "Thou shalt not kill"
God has also given us freedom of choice, more commonly known as "free will" to either do what is right or do what is wrong but bear in mind in that He wants all of us to do what is right at all times and like I pointed out He has given us these "Ten Commandments" as a guide to follow.
I've read the latest news update that this murderer had planned this heinous evil wicked act that he committed the other day, months in advance.
So he prepared himself to carry out this heinous evil wicked and knew it was going to be deadly wrong, well this heinous evil wicked act is being disobedient in regards to God's sixth commandment of which I've stated is, "Thou shalt not kill"
With all said, do you think this heinous evil wicked act was part of God's plan?
I myself believe this deeply troubled 24 yr. old man acted alone and wasn't in no way shape or form part of God's plan,...more likely it was part of the devil's plan.
You have heard of the devil haven't you?...lol
Furthermore this deeply troubled 24 yr. old man probably had been influenced by watching too many batman movies?
But as time passes I'm sure we will know more about this deeply troubled murderer.
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#515 Posted: 7/22/2012 1:28:22 AM Correction: Unlike you I have read and studied the Holy Bible and so I know what God is all about.
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#516 Posted: 7/22/2012 10:36:11 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:
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Like, I just read post 503 and SJD has the audacity to say the recent tragedy wasn't part of god's plan.
How could you POSSIBLY know this??? You're speaking for god now?????
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Unlike you I have read and studied the Holy Bilble and so I know what God is all about.
He has given us written laws, through Moses. Have you ever heard of Moses? Have you ever heard of the Ten Commandments?
Well one of the commandments is commandment number six which states: "Thou shalt not kill"
God has also given us freedom of choice, more commonly known as "free will" to either do what is right or do what is wrong but bear in mind in that He wants all of us to do what is right at all times and like I pointed out He has given us these "Ten Commandments" as a guide to follow.
I've read the latest news update that this murderer had planned this heinous evil wicked act that he committed the other day, months in advance.
So he prepared himself to carry out this heinous evil wicked and knew it was going to be deadly wrong, well this heinous evil wicked act is being disobedient in regards to God's sixth commandment of which I've stated is, "Thou shalt not kill"
With all said, do you think this heinous evil wicked act was part of God's plan?
I myself believe this deeply troubled 24 yr. old man acted alone and wasn't in no way shape or form part of God's plan,...more likely it was part of the devil's plan.
You have heard of the devil haven't you?...lol
Furthermore this deeply troubled 24 yr. old man probably had been influenced by watching too many batman movies?
But as time passes I'm sure we will know more about this deeply troubled murderer.
yes, have you heard of fiction?
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#517 Posted: 7/22/2012 10:53:04 AM Quote Posted by agentcooper:
How do you know your Christian god is the right religion?
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Someone already had asked this question but not in your exact same wording but nevertheless basically the same question and I answered it on pg. 2, post #33. Below was my explanation.
The answer is because of Jesus Christ.
Unlike any other revelation of God, Jesus Christ is the clearest, most specific picture of God revealing Himself to us.
Why Jesus? Look throughout the major world religions and you'll find that Buddha, Muhammad, Confucius all identified themselves as teachers or prophets. None of them ever claimed to be equal to God.
Surprisingly, Jesus did. That is what sets Jesus apart from all the others. He said God exists and you're looking at him. Though he talked about his Father in heaven, it was not from the position of separation, but of very close union, unique to all humankind.
Jesus said that anyone who had seen Him had seen the Father, anyone who believed in him, believed in the Father.
He said, "I am the light of the world, he who follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life." He claimed attributes belonging only to God: to be able to forgive people of their sin, free them from habits of sin, give people a more abundant life and give them eternal life in heaven.
Unlike other teachers who focused people on their words, Jesus pointed people to himself. He did not say, "follow my words and you will find truth." He said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one comes to the Father but through me."
In addition I would like to add that Jesus performed many miracles that only a god could do, like bringing sight to the blind, healing the cripples to be able to walk, bringing back the dead to life again and many other miracles. But the one miracle that stands out among the rest is His resurrection from the dead. He told His disciples that after His crucifixion He would rise on the 3rd day which He did and He reappeared to them and to many others as proof of His divinity!
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#518 Posted: 7/22/2012 11:21:12 AM You really got to laugh at all the non believers who keep saying over and over again, we got this fact and that fact.
Its comical. They got facts from what another human being tells them, but they dont realize no human being can know the answer. Science is man made theories
Let this thread die, because the believers arent going to convince the non believers and the non believers arent going to convince the believers, so its a useless thread.
each person just needs to live their own life and believe what they want.
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#519 Posted: 7/22/2012 11:31:17 AM Quote Posted by cd:
Let this thread die, because the believers arent going to convince the non believers and the non believers arent going to convince the believers, so its a useless thread.
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In due time...I still have to answer more questions coming from these lost souls...maybe just maybe I might convince a few to finally see the and so I still have more work to do.
This thread won't last forever, you remind me of this 2 other threads we had going a little while back concerning religion.
Man there must have been a dozen or so guys who kept coming on the threads and telling us to end it but it kept going for several months until it finally died on its own.
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#520 Posted: 7/22/2012 12:13:12 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by cd329: You really got to laugh at all the non believers who keep saying over and over again, we got this fact and that fact.
Its comical. They got facts from what another human being tells them, but they dont realize no human being can know the answer. Science is man made theories
Let this thread die, because the believers arent going to convince the non believers and the non believers arent going to convince the believers, so its a useless thread.
each person just needs to live their own life and believe what they want.
Its not costing me one cent to believe
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#521 Posted: 7/22/2012 12:20:02 PM posted by sjd:
Well one of the commandments is commandment number six which states: "Thou shalt not kill"
john you forget to add in parentheses
(except when your god tells you to)
       
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#522 Posted: 7/22/2012 12:25:00 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by CRRECORDS: posted by sjd:
Well one of the commandments is commandment number six which states: "Thou shalt not kill"
john you forget to add in parentheses
(except when your god tells you to)
yes, there are a lot of exceptions to that one.
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#523 Posted: 7/22/2012 12:26:29 PM
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#524 Posted: 7/22/2012 12:34:41 PM club great posts........A+ |
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#525 Posted: 7/22/2012 12:45:29 PM
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