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Posted: 4/24/2012 10:21:46 AM
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Originally Posted by PLAYAAAA1969:

Lipps...Ive been using Uston basic system...Not bad ..But without being repulsive I am teaching my 12 yr old Black Lab card counting ..
What do you use/ recommend for 1 man gangs ??

Thanks..

So you are using the Uston simple plus/minus ?  I still say go with the KO system. If you do decide to get the KO book, get in touch with me before you get to chapter 7.  I have some improvements for you.  But if you are playing an 8 deck game you might as well stick with the complete KO strategy.

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Posted: 4/24/2012 1:31:19 PM
So what's the overall stragety in  nut shell you just bet the lowest amount until the the deck gets "hot"? then increase?
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Posted: 4/24/2012 2:07:50 PM
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So what's the overall stragety in  nut shell you just bet the lowest amount until the the deck gets "hot"? then increase?

Well yeah, Readers Digest version I guess. That would be it.

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Posted: 4/24/2012 3:48:17 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Lippsman:

Well yeah, Readers Digest version I guess. That would be it.


wouldn't the casino catch on to you?
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Posted: 4/24/2012 4:08:16 PM
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wouldn't the casino catch on to you?


No, You will not win every large bet, Your goal is to hit a higher percentage based on your count..
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Posted: 4/24/2012 4:50:02 PM
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No, You will not win every large bet, Your goal is to hit a higher percentage based on your count..

This is spot on, also, being a good actor doesn't suck either.  That's where team play can really help.  You have the big player that is doing the drunk act, not needing to count while the other players give them signals on how to play.  But again where everyone on my teams are counters that really is not needed.  Alhtough this past weekend we did do that a few times.

It's amazing on what you can get away with when you have a 21 year old female playing on the team.  You can play all sorts of scenarios.  At one point she had about 10 drinks lined up.

Oh wait.......that's sleazy.......

 

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Posted: 4/24/2012 4:56:08 PM

hey Lippsman you've helped me alot with learning counting, just got a couple more questions for you.

Is there a best number of players (hands) at table to count with?

How much of an increase or decrease in your table buyin do you wait for before you cash out?

 

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Posted: 4/24/2012 5:13:26 PM

Lip,

Would you like to adopt someone?

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Posted: 4/24/2012 5:28:04 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Burly:

hey Lippsman you've helped me alot with learning counting, just got a couple more questions for you.

Is there a best number of players (hands) at table to count with?

How much of an increase or decrease in your table buyin do you wait for before you cash out?

Less people the better.  That means more hands per hour, which means hitting the long run sooner, which means more profit sooner.

My target is doubling what we bring to the table.  But the key is to not play steaming, stick to the plan and do not deviate at all.  I see way too many counters get caught up in the game and will go off course with the size of wagers and such.

Sometimes you just gotta get up and walk.  That's the hardest thing to do sometimes.

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Posted: 4/24/2012 5:40:06 PM

do you ever play alone?

im just wondering cause last night i had my first large loss, i had played for about three hours and was up about 1/4 of my buyin i wanted to get it to 1/2.

once i started playing one handed against the dealer i lost all my winnings and 3/4 my buyin in about an hour, i was still following all my count betting rules, just want your input.

its easy to look back and say i should have walked away, still kicking myself today

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Posted: 4/24/2012 6:59:45 PM

all i can tell anyone who would like to be a so called "skilled player" is you only get from it what you put into it! after being called a dinosaur(thaks lippsman)i could assure you i spent more time practicing then sleeping over the last two decades.due to percentages i did not proceed with mr lawrence reveres 5 count strategy, but lowered my standards to ustons three count.i can count 8 decks down in less than 2 minutes(you will never have to do that at a casino) i have been so dedicated i would go to sleep listening to headphones brain washing me about the game of blackjack(i would suggest everyone to save thier money on this idea)although i personally believe that a count with an ace adjustment factor rules over all, it is better to perfect an easier system, than to make mistakes with more complex systems,now its up to you, how much time are you willing to put in?mr lippsman have you ever tried shuffle tracking?

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Posted: 4/24/2012 7:06:09 PM

hey potvin what is the ustons three count does it used a running count or true count?

and how does the ace adjustment work exactly?

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Posted: 4/24/2012 7:16:55 PM
both, the running count must be remembered at all times.  The true count is the running  count divided by the amount of cards left (by half deck). only used for that hand. The ace factor is purely a separate count of aces divided also by the half deck remaining in other words if there are 4 decks left by average there should be 16 aces.  If there ar 22 aces left you are ace rich.  Where as the same 4 decks if there are only 10 aces remaining you are ace poor.  Obviously you increase your play on ace rich bets.aces do not usually change your hand, but you can score 3 to 2 more likely in an ace rich shoe
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Posted: 4/24/2012 7:56:18 PM

With what potvin just said is exactly why I tell new players to use the KO count.  No true count conversion. No seperate ace count.

Now of course the count I use is a level 3 count and I do a side cound of aces.  But when I learned the counts thats what we used.  But there were not mostly 6 and 8 deck games.  You could find single deck dealt down over half and tons of double deck games.

With the advances in computing power we now know that the betting strategy is much more important then the count strategy.  That's why you see a good deal of unbalanced counts.  Hell even Uston was on the cutting edge of it with his SS count.

I do play alone a good bit and when I am head to head with the dealer no way would I just play one hand.  When no one else is at the table you play as many hands as you can.  If for some reason I got drilled a couple times in a row I would take one hand down.  Change the flow of the cards.

Potvin,

I used to do shuffle tracking, but with the 6 and 8 deck games now it's pretty much useless.  With the double deck and even 4 deck games I was able to use it pretty well. Also with these damn shuffle machines that are used there is no reason to even worrry about it.

Once again, even with all the decades I have been playing blackjack and to this day I use a level 3 count. Well most of the time.  I 100% say to use KO.  But I also say to use the REKO strategy with it.  Makes even more simple to use if you can believe that.

I just found out today that Norm Wattenberger has his chapter on the REKO online.  So here you go.....If you decide to use KO then you have to use this with it.

Here is a link to his 540 page blackjack book.  This takes you into the theory much more than most will want to go.  But you should really read it.

 

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Posted: 4/24/2012 8:10:05 PM
Good job Lippsman.

Was just about to comment on playing two hands.  I do so all the time as well as keeping the separate ace count.  Both are powerful additions to a running count.

Hit'em and run boys.  It's the only way to beat the casino.


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Posted: 4/24/2012 8:16:49 PM
thank you lippsman , i have recently got a shuffle machine that fell of the truck, cant get into it but will inform you of the tests down the road! the single deck game in ac sucks, true no true count but6 to 5 and no doubling on splits i cant stand! not only that but the dealer does not take his second card until all the players are finished, truely hate that!
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Posted: 4/24/2012 8:29:12 PM

Hey but I did love playing in the House of Blues BJ tables.  Man I had a nice little dealer named Jenifer.  Wow !!!!!!  Blond that was busting out of that outfit.

Yeah, the single decks were horrible.  I will be damned if I ever play a game that pays back 2-1 on a BJ.

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Posted: 4/24/2012 9:21:49 PM
you got 2-1 on singledeck at showboat?
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Posted: 4/24/2012 9:37:17 PM
i think lip meant 6-5
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Posted: 4/24/2012 9:49:54 PM

I will never play anything less than 3-2 Blackjack.

Casino Gimmicks.
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Posted: 4/24/2012 9:58:24 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by potvin:

thank you lippsman , i have recently got a shuffle machine that fell of the truck, cant get into it but will inform you of the tests down the road! the single deck game in ac sucks, true no true count but6 to 5 and no doubling on splits i cant stand! not only that but the dealer does not take his second card until all the players are finished, truely hate that!


Please keep us posted on your shuffle machine tests...
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Posted: 4/24/2012 9:58:55 PM
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I will never play anything less than 3-2 Blackjack.

Casino Gimmicks.

and it gets worse year by year, can you find a game now that offers early surrender?

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Posted: 4/24/2012 10:04:12 PM
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Please keep us posted on your shuffle machine tests...

will do!

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Posted: 4/24/2012 10:23:39 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by potvin:

and it gets worse year by year, can you find a game now that offers early surrender?




Nope.
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Posted: 4/24/2012 10:25:09 PM
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i think lip meant 6-5

I did and I meant the single deck games everywhere.

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