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#626 Posted: 6/17/2012 3:21:40 PM
The main problem with these Theories is that all of you guys have different opinions on the "Conspiracy" facts that were presented to you.
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#627 Posted: 6/17/2012 4:23:54 PM
They would be allowed to testify jointly.
They would not be required to take an oath before testifying.
The testimony would not be recorded electronically or transcribed, and that the only record would be notes taken by one of the commission staffers.
These notes would not be made public.
Gizmo, Nothing weird with that at all right, just two innocent politicians talking about the murder of 3,000 people in secrecy.
Number 8 says it all. The government gave them the evidence they screened, approved, and then were told make a story line from the information they were allowed to see. NIST is a complete joke. If you read the entire thing you will see it was all set up to fit a story line. NIST was constructed to start from the end and work their way up to fit the governments story line. On top of that, they were given maybe 50 percent of the information needed to conduct the investigation.
It’s all excuses, deflection and denial. My point is Bush and Cheney let it happen. The 911 commission was a dog and pony show. The idea that you except the government playing politics in a murder investigation shocks the hell out of me. Bush and cheney faked an investigation as fast as possible and then silenced all those who question by labeling them crazy. I don’t care if it’s 1 or a thousand scientists and physicists. Ive read what the governments scientists and physicists said happened. It’s filled with gaping holes, flaws and government bullshit. I couldn’t stop laughing the entire time.
FAA and NORAD
For more than two years after the attacks, officials with North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) and the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) provided inaccurate information about the response to the hijackings in testimony and media appearances. Authorities suggested that US air defenses had reacted quickly, that jets had been scrambled in response to the last two hijackings and that fighters were prepared to shoot down United Airlines Flight 93 if it threatened Washington, D.C..
The Commission reported a year later that audiotapes from NORAD's Northeast headquarters and other evidence showed clearly that the military never had any of the hijacked airliners in its sights and at one point chased a phantom aircraft—American Airlines Flight 11—long after it had crashed into the World Trade Center.[10] For example, Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold and Col. Alan Scott told the commission that NORAD had begun tracking United 93 at 9:16 a.m., but the commission determined that the airliner was not even hijacked until 12 minutes later. According to later testimony, the military was not aware of the flight until after it had crashed in Pennsylvania.
The Commission was forced to use subpoenas to obtain the cooperation of the FAA and NORAD to release evidence such as audiotapes. The agencies' reluctance to release the tapes—along with e-mails, erroneous public statements and other evidence—led some of the panel's staff members and commissioners to believe that authorities sought to mislead the commission and the public about what happened on September 11. "I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described," said John Farmer, a former New Jersey attorney general who led the staff inquiry into events on September 11, in an August 2006 interview.
Nothing weird about that right
9/11 family members Bob McIlvaine and Bill Doyle deserve a full investigation. I’m on their side and not the governments. I noticed you used the same strategy as bush. Call them crazy and that automatically dismisses what they say no matter how credible the information they used was. You guys believe the government wasn’t prepared and it’s clear they were. You believe it was just a random series of clusterfucks by the most powerful and sophisticated military in the world. I’m not capable of just brushing over 50 things and naive enough to just brush it off as a sequence of unbelievable coincidences and misunderstandings.
The reason I used those articles was to prove 911 was no surprise attack. The United States has been aware of an attack using airplanes by OBL since 1998. It was aware of an attack repeatedly and for some strange reason, it was allowed to happen anyway. The amount of information is too much for me to brush off and ignore. The amount of clusterfuck up’s is just too much for me to believe. I would have to be the most naive on earth to believe the story they sold.
Gulf of tonkin false flag and operation northwoods. The proof that 911 was an inside job is in the same place where all the evidence was destroyed. Destroying the evidence
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#628 Posted: 6/17/2012 5:15:39 PM
As far as your comments on NIST. WHAT??? "NIST was constructed..." They have been an existence for over 100 years. They have an operating budget close to one million dollars. Please tell me what information they did not have at their disposal. All of the steel was not shipped overseas. Your buddy Steven Jones did tests on some. You say they were given maybe 50% of the info needed. That is a baseless, crazy statement. Again, what info were they not given. You read the whole report? You laughed the whole time? What holes did you find? Again, 99.99% of experts in the field agree with NIST. Under 1% of them disagree...and you. Do you honestly believe you, and the under 1% are correct and the other 99.99% are mistaken? Yes or no? What do you think caused the collapse?
You keep bringing up NORAD. How many times have I shown you operating procedures and past examples. WHAT was different on 09/11 as opposed to prior to that date? You continue to say what you want but don't address answers to the questions you ask.
WHY DOES IT MATTER IF IT WAS A SURPRISE ATTACK OR NOT????? When did I say it caught us by surprise. I told you I believed the government did very poorly. You honestly believe the military did all kinds of training for this situation in preparation to stand down on 9/11??? REALLY? And if you want to say they were told to stand down, you don't think ANYONE would speak up???? WOW!
Gulf of Tonkin has to do with 09/11 how? Instead of going into Iraq based of WMDs (which we could have easily planted), we decided to kill thousands and destroy buildings? Operation Northwoods also has no connection to 09/11. It was dismissed by Kennedy immediately.
You offer up OPINIONS based on other people's OPINIONS. You say unbelievable coincidences and misunderstandings. Name one? I don't want a copy and pasted list. Name ONE. And don't play the sympathy card by telling me family members deserve a full investigation. There are plenty of family members who accept the official story. I spent many days at ground zero. I have seen many family members DISGUSTED with the efforts of the "truth movement" at the site.
What do you believe happened?? You believe explosives were used? I asked you to debate one issue at a time. When I answer you run from that issue and just post a series of new issues. You want a one by one response, but then you don't respond to anything that is said to you. You copy and paste and . You haven't said what you believe and why you believe it. It's what about this, link, and this, copy and paste. Your posts are FILLLED with misinformation.
" The government gave them the evidence they screened, approved, and then
were told make a story line from the information they were allowed to
see." NOT TRUE, prove it
"he proof that 911 was an inside job is in the same place where all the evidence was destroyed." NOT TRUE, prove it. Your own Steven Jones did tests on it!!
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#629 Posted: 6/17/2012 5:24:43 PM
-Everyone in the NIST
who covers up the largest mass murder in US history. This
independent organization doesn't have a moral person in
hundreds of employees because not one has come out exposing
this so called "Conspiracy". In fact, the hundreds of
scientist who signed onto the report are willing to not only
lie for Bush but cover up the largest mass murder in
American history. Some suggest only a handful can do the job
but that's simply impossible. The team in charge of the
computer modeling has to be in sync with the team of
structural engineers and so on. There are hundreds involved
in this investigation and every team has to work with other
teams using the same evidence and specifications.
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#630 Posted: 6/17/2012 5:26:37 PM
-EVERY STRUCTURAL ENGINEER IN THE WORLD
who doesn't write a paper for a mainstream peer reviewed
journal saying the towers were brought down and could not
have fallen due to fire. If laymen (moneysrh) can prove things just by
looking at videos and reading interviews out of context,
then all those structural engineers MUST be working for Bush
right? Even the ones in other countries. Why? The answer
they give is that the engineers don't know about Jones’
work. So in all this time no one has e-mailed Jones' work to
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#631 Posted: 6/17/2012 5:29:49 PM
-All the people in the
Pentagon
who have not called for an investigation. Many who are
liberal and centrist. They did or said nothing while people
supposedly trucked in airplane parts to cover the crime.
Why?
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#632 Posted: 6/17/2012 5:30:34 PM
-The photographers from around the world who took pictures
of the towers which clearly show bowing of the perimeter columns. These photos
support the NIST hypothesis that the sagging trusses lead to the collapse. Some
photos also show the core intact shortly after collapse which also not only
support the NIST hypothesis but discredits the "Controlled demolition" account.
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#633 Posted: 6/17/2012 5:31:09 PM
-Popular Mechanics who debunked these sites are also
helping Bush commit the biggest mass murder in history.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html
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#634 Posted: 6/17/2012 5:31:40 PM
-PBS Nova since they created a documentary explaining in
detail how and why the buildings fell. None of it said bomb.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/
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#635 Posted: 6/17/2012 5:32:13 PM
-NY Governor Pataki
because he sold steel
from the WTC for the construction of the USS New York. If
the argument is the government sold the steel in order to
cover up the crime then Pataki is one of the criminals.
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#636 Posted: 6/17/2012 5:32:43 PM
-The NY city scrap yards
because they also sold steel to
China before all of it was tested. Bush would have needed to call them up and
tell them to sell it before they could have investigated every beam. A task
which would have taken years and years not to mention millions more. Ironically
the republican Mayor Bloomberg could not be involved since he asked the scrap
yards not to sell the steel on behalf of the firefighters.
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#637 Posted: 6/17/2012 5:33:24 PM
-The American Society of Civil Engineers who have
produced peer reviewed papers showing how what Conspiracy
Theorists say is impossible is possible.
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#638 Posted: 6/17/2012 5:34:14 PM
-Scientists and engineers who developed the new
demolition technology and carried out practical tests
and computer models to make sure it would work.
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#639 Posted: 6/17/2012 5:34:45 PM
-Installers of the demolitions devices in the three
buildings
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#640 Posted: 6/17/2012 5:35:36 PM
-The CIA
-The FBI
-FEMA
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#641 Posted: 6/17/2012 5:36:09 PM
-NORAD
-The FAA
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#642 Posted: 6/17/2012 5:36:37 PM
-Silverstein's
Insurance Company who didn't question the collapse and
paid out over 2 billion to Silverstein. Why? Conspiracy
Theorists say the insurance company just wants to pass on the
bill to the public but they already fought Silverstein in a
number of law suits concerning the amount.
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#643 Posted: 6/17/2012 5:37:08 PM
-American Airlines (Pentagon)
-United Airlines (Pentagon)
-Logan, Newark and Dulles Airport for losing the planes
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#644 Posted: 6/17/2012 5:38:18 PM
-The NYC Fire fighters
who know more about building collapses than
most,
if not all,
of them.
It's their LIFE to know. Literally! Yet they don't call for
an investigation into the MASS MURDER of over 300 of their
brothers... Why? (The twisting of these peoples’ statements
for donations and DVD sales sickens me.) We have uncovered
the myth about a gag order imposed on all fire fighters.
Only 9/11 conspiracy sites say this. ONE person who sued
Bush for not taking action before the event is ordered by
the court not to speak to the media about the case. This is
not imposing a gag order on the whole fire department as
some of these sites claim. They are lying to cover up this
mass murder by the government or the building owner.
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#645 Posted: 6/17/2012 5:38:40 PM
-The NYC Police department who lost over 20 lives. They
didn't ask for an investigation. Motive? None...
-The NYC port Authority who lost
personnel. Motive?
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#646 Posted: 6/17/2012 5:41:31 PM 
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#647 Posted: 6/17/2012 5:50:05 PM
CORRECTION, BILLION
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#649 Posted: 6/17/2012 6:07:48 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by wmi799:
And it is amazing, they somehow managed to keep each and everyone of these people quiet in this modern day of greed.
You're a retard of unprecedented proportions. A lot of government people have come forth stating the truth.
Donkeys like you just keep dismissing it.
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#650 Posted: 6/17/2012 6:09:48 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by dogunder:
You're a retard of unprecedented proportions. A lot of government people have come forth stating the truth.
Donkeys like you just keep dismissing it.
Because you are ignorant and have zero common sense.
And why post proof? Your word is gold
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