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Posted: 3/18/2012 1:52:29 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by scalabrine:


NUMBER 4- The ringer. The one the cops love to use on the black community....THE PREVIOUS CRIMINAL RECORD. What's the problem? When you are white, it means nothing. The cops are doing nothing about it because the white watchman is still free even though he has a record. The dead minor? NOT A SINGLE CHARGE AGAINST HIM.



What about if you are Hispanic?

What was this thread about again?
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Posted: 3/18/2012 1:53:49 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by crod1980:

Scalabrine, what the entire cover's community wants to know is this->

Would you have made this thread had you known that George Zimmerman was of Hispanic Origin?
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Posted: 3/18/2012 2:05:32 PM
Post #52 - Nothing of substance 

Post #53 - What was that about being destroyed? Guys like Hammer like to drop in my threads, denigrate, and then sneak out the back door without being seen. This time Hammer, you were noticed and guess what, the back door is locked. Stay a while before I kick your behind...

Post #54 - A rolling head with a clear condoning, if not endorsement of an insult with the use of the racial slur "Mammy." 

Racist #4 is outed. The list grows longer by the second. 

Post #55 - Sorry Bucktooth, the cops already are in the process of doing that as I explained.

Post #56 - Punked? Be careful. You might end up looking like the fool when this thread goes to die.

Post #57 and #58 - Already answered to in Post #103

Post #59 - No thanks. But as a side note, I do cap basketball and love doing it.

Post #60 - And then I came bursting out from under the said rock in Post #82 and #83 like a volcano erupting only to have it land on your scrawny behind. 

Post #61 - Exactly, because it's an open and shut case for Crod1980, dozens of others and yourself, when for the black community it means so much more. I have, and will continue to speak to the latter.

Post #62 - A reckless comment made 20 posts too early... 

Post #63 - Ownage??? If you thought I was gonna disappear like a fart in the wind after the OP, you just got a gust of flatulence in your face with the power of a hurricane force wind. Now you should 'break wind' and float away.

Post #64 -  Always comes back to bite em.

Post #65 - My own

Post #66 - TWG makes his appearance. To do what? To lob and invective and claim that 'blacks' steal their sneakers. He had to sneak that in there and brand himself as a full-blown racist in a thread about a black minor who tragically died. It shows you who really gives a garbage, and who could care less. It's not out of character for that guy. 

Post #67 - If I'm in a closet, when I bust out, cover your face because I'm gonna put a big Timberland boot sole imprint right across your forehead if you're in my way.

Post #68 - This post was made of course, before post #82 and #83. You can almost hear him begging for me not to return the thread as he had barely a leg to stand on. I just kicked it out from under him. Splat!

Post #69 -  

Post #70 and #71 - I don't engage in such sophomoric attacks to discredit an argument by pointing out errors in grammar and sentence structure (unless the person doing the attacking pointed out a grammar error and they themselves made one in the process. Then it's fair game).

Post #72 - As you can see, the Crod1980 believes the death of a black minor and a mishandling of the local police force (regardless of the murderer's race/ethnicity) is an unneeded controversy because that was the point of this thread. This is how many white middle-class Americans view the black community as a whole.... unneeded and to go one step further, if not being arrested and incarcerated, invisible (until they raise their voice in protest which is happening here). 

Post #73 - 

Post #74 - As I proved after that statement, I was actually the one armed with the facts in the OP. 


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Posted: 3/18/2012 2:10:00 PM
Once again, you can continue to comment on every post in a weak attempt to cover up the fact that you were completely off base in your initial post in this thread and you just looked downright silly within 30 minutes.

You were trying to prove a point to everyone that if you are White, then you are subject to a different set of rules than everyone else, but this question still lingers ->

Would you have made this thread had you known that George Zimmerman was of Hispanic Origin?
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Posted: 3/18/2012 2:15:33 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by scalabrine:




Post #66 - TWG makes his appearance. To do what? To lob and invective and claim that 'blacks' steal their sneakers. He had to sneak that in there and brand himself as a full-blown racist in a thread about a black minor who tragically died. It shows you who really gives a garbage, and who could care less. It's not out of character for that guy. 



Scal, I believe you mean to say "couldn't care less". Meaning that it would not be possible for the person (me) to care less. Not "could care less", which implies that it would be possible and that the person cares at least some. It's a common error but one which you may want to avoid in the future as it changes the whole meaning of your message.

BTW, you're right. I could not care less. So what?


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Posted: 3/18/2012 2:18:58 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by scalabrine:



Post #68 - This post was made of course, before post #82 and #83. You can almost hear him begging for me not to return the thread as he had barely a leg to stand on. I just kicked it out from under him. Splat!






Really? Is that why I taunted you for 3 pages? Because I feared that you would return? Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. People with a one track mind are nothing to be feared at all.

Barely had a leg to stand on? According to who? You? The same guy that spewed a ton of misinformation in the very first post of this thread? And now 2 days later after you finally came up with the conclusion that I was just "Lucky" in post 3??? And you really think people are going to take you serious?
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QUOTE Originally Posted by jay10:

You rule, scal.....don't ever let them bring you down,,,

oh look scal you have a fan

To bad its a cocaine snorting alcoholic racist that lurks in the penalty box
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Posted: 3/18/2012 2:33:22 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by yuice20:

HERE are the 911 tapes if anybody wanted to hear them

This is important so it gets its own reply.

Post #75 - Nice of the police to release the tapes approximately THREE weeks after the initial shooting, leaving questions and confusion for all involved, particularly a grieving family.

I see Crod1980 in a later post (#77), said something important. He says he was suspended from school.

Make NO MISTAKE. THIS IS A CLASSIC attempt by a non-black male to smear Trayvon and plant a seed in the white reader's mind that maybe Trayvon was 'up to no good' during that walk home. 

This has been done COUNTLESS times by the police after they gun down, injure, manhandle, beat, unlawfully detain, non-black youth. They always step up to the podium and disclose that person's arrest record/rap sheet. To me, it screams out "Listen, this guy was no good. He's dead but so what? His rights were violated but so what. He was a criminal/a dealer etc. The world is better off without this scumbag."

As though the reading of the record justifies a DEATH SENTENCE!!! In America, sometimes it works with public opinion.

This is the way some of the American police force handle these cases and it was perpetuated by Crod1980 right here. Make no mistake about his intention. He'll claim he was just 'stating a fact' and yes, it very well may be fact, but given the way it's been used historically to 'plant a seed' about character, you have to question how in any way, bolsters the police's mishandling, Zimmerman's 'innocence', or the murder of this black minor.  


So let's turn the tables on him. Let's take his bag of tricks and perform the same trick. What about Zimmerman's character?Zimmerman is the shooter/murderer and here's the key: he is still alive! Well we have some publicly disclosed information on that:

Licensed to carry a firearm and a student of criminal justice, Zimmerman went door-to-door asking residents to be on the lookout, specifically referring to young black men who appeared to be outsiders, and warned that some were caught lurking, neighbors said. The self-appointed captain of the neighborhood watch program is credited with cracking some crimes, and thwarting others.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/17/2700249/shooter-of-trayvon-martin-a-habitual.html#storylink=cpy


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“Hey, we’ve had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there’s a real suspicious guy at Retreat View Circle.This guy looks like he’s up to no good,” Zimmerman told a dispatcher on Feb. 26, the night of Trayvon’s death. 
(Sound familiar? In a white-gated community, a black boy walking is none too welcome. The crime here is called "Walking while black.")

“These a--holes always get away,” Zimmerman complained.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/17/2700249/shooter-of-trayvon-martin-a-habitual.html#storylink=cpy

Quite telling no? Anyone see the massive profiling going on here? These tapes are important and the police waited almost THREE WEEKS to release them. For Trayvon's family, the Hispanic revelation means nothing. Zimmerman did what the police have been known to do to the black community at large: profile them endlessly. This profiling ended with murder.

The family attorney had an interesting take, although one that can't yet be proven:

“Zimmerman felt he was one of them; he felt he was a cop,” said Trayvon’s family attorney, Natalie Jackson, who accuses the police of protecting him.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/17/2700249_p2/shooter-of-trayvon-martin-a-habitual.html#storylink=cpy

And maybe the cops though he was one of them too? Just a thought, not a fact, but an interesting take nonetheless. 
Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/17/2700249/shooter-of-
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It's quite humorous how scalabrine is going down the list "outing" all of these people as racists in this thread when the bottom line is that he created this thread primarily based on the facts that he thought the man who killed the teen was WHITE and that the WHITE man was getting away with it despite having a past criminal record ad that WHITE people are treated differently than everyone else.

scalabrine, I think you outed yourself.
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Posted: 3/18/2012 2:37:15 PM
Don't know where all those "read more here" came from but the site must have embedded them in the post with the link itself.


I'll be back for more. Again, there is no use responding to the comments after post #91, particularly by Crod, right now until I finish. I'm not working backwards. 
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so scalabrine, is this thread finally about the death of that teen boy and not about you trying to prove a point about how White people get away with murder?
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Posted: 3/18/2012 2:43:08 PM
IF scalabrine knew that the Man who killed the teen was of Hispanic origin, the opening post in this thread would have been 1/10th the size. That is IF he would have made it at all, which I think everyone here knows damn well that he would not have.
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Posted: 3/18/2012 3:58:12 PM
I'll be back for more. Again, there is no use responding to the comments after post #91, particularly by Crod, right now until I finish. I'm not working backwards.
 
"I'll be back for more". 
 
His words, not ours.  Ladies and gentlemen of covers, there you have it.  He is only an attention person.   We shouldn't waste any more time on him.  Who would be pitiful enough to come "back for more" after just getting pounded and embarassed so many times on this one thread?   OH, never mind.
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Posted: 3/18/2012 4:14:58 PM
Scalabrine is by far the biggest tool on covers, do you have any friends dude?  Like seriously get a friggin life and live with whatever is bothering you.  I'm so curious do you have any white friends ?
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Posted: 3/18/2012 4:23:06 PM
Damn shame a young man has to lose his life for no aparent reason.
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QUOTE Originally Posted by Biscuiteater1:

Damn shame a young man has to lose his life for no aparent reason.


It is a shame that a young teen has been killed for no apparent reason.

What is even a bigger shame is that scalabrine has used this boy's tragic death as an excuse to create a thread to try and drum up controversy that was completely unnecessary.

It's a cover up tactic that is used far too often on public message forums like these. You spend all of your time searching that internet looking for a story that you can twist and mold and make it your own and add in all of your little twisted opinions and speculations, while not actually caring at all about the main issue that made your story a story in the first place.

I now for a fact that scalabrine would have never posted about this story had he known George Zimmerman was of Hispanic descent because if that were the case, the General Forum here would be full of his threads with both black and Hispanic teens being killled by one another.

There is no secret that Blacks and Hispanics do not like or get along with each other down here and murders happen quite frequently.
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Posted: 3/18/2012 5:09:18 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by scalabrine:


Want to reconsider your stance about me 'getting my facts wrong' in the OP after reading posts #82 and #83? 

(and your comment about 'pointless debates about racism in America'??? What? We should never discuss race??? Makes you look quite childish to say that and lacking in any real sense of true race relations/systematic and institutional racism in this country. Don't worry, you are in good company.)


Personally I can't stand racism and ignorance and think there is nothing wrong with discussing race and racial issues....

Having said that, you misconstrued my point (Not a knock on you, I can see why interpreted it as such).  I meant that the arguments about race that GO ON IN YOUR THREADS are pointless.  Because in my opinion every time you start one of these threads it devolves into bashing and name calling, and I don't think I'm going out on a limb to say that objective and progressive dialogue and discussion on race RARELY IF EVER comes out of your threads.

So again there's certainly a time and a place to discuss race.  On a degenerate sports betting forum where the majority of posters have it out for you before you even post is not a productive one in my opinion. 
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QUOTE Originally Posted by scalabrine:

I say "race riots" because that's how the media, left or right leaning, likes to describe them.

The two words together, whip white communities into a frenzy, touching upon their innermost fears that inhabitants of 'black ghettos' will one day 'rise up,' and overtake their heavily segregated middle-class neighborhoods. 

There may be protests. There may be marches. There may be what the police will determine to be 'criminal activity,' if there is even a crack the size of a peanut in a white resident's car window or storefront (and rest assured, that will lead on the local nightly news that 'the black mob' is getting out of control).

But who is responsible for an act of mass civil disobedience in the face of a potential murder? That would be the police and the way they are handling this case.

What's the case? Well most of you have heard it by now but are too busy reading about legs that go for miles and miles or threads about a guy named "FartnSniff" to post anything about it. Even if most here weren't too busy, posts about lotto winners receiving welfare are more readable. 

The case is about a black minor who was shot in the chest by a white 'neighborhood watchman,' who simply said "It was self-defense" when the gunsmoke cleared. The minor was unarmed and returning from a convenience store with candy and iced tea.

That 'watchman' was doing his job as appointed (i.e. looking for potential 'thugs' and troublemakers' that make their way through the mostly white gated community...this means blacks and hispanics who may have their pants a quarter inch below their hips were nice targets). 

The problem here is that the white watchman called 911 and they advised him not to approach the minor. He didn't listen.

The only thing we know beyond that is that this black 17-year old is dead and the white watchman admitted to doing it. What's the catch? His story was that it was 'self-defense'. Take a look of the photo of the kid in that link. Even in a football uniform, he looks about as intimidating as a scarecrow.
 
What's the other catch? The dead minor was found with iced tea and Skittles on him, a story corroborated by his family after he went to buy the junk food for him and a family member. Well that dead minor cannot speak from the grave so we only have one story: the one from the white night watchman. How convenient!

So why might there be 'riots' (actually constitutionally protected mass assembly and protest for those who don't eat and drink all the spin doctoring)?

NUMBER 1 - The police have accepted the story of self-defense and have made NO ARRESTS despite the fact the 'neighborhood watchman' had no authority to approach the minor armed, nevermind shoot him in the chest.

So there you have it! If you are in Florida and you 'do the deed' to another person (i.e. kill them) and simply tell the cops it was self-defense, according to them as revealed in this case, you can walk until evidence reveals otherwise. I wonder how this would work for a black youth standing over a white body because it seems to work well the other way around.

NUMBER 2- When the community protests, you as a police department should drag your feet in releasing the actual 911 tapes. That way, you'll enrage the community members and make yourself look like you are 'dutifully investigating' the shooting. Did I mention this tape may be the one and only piece of evidence that may implicate the watchman of murder? No matter. Marginalize all the black community members and more importantly, the dead child's family and friends by letting them know the white higher ups 'have it all under control.'

NUMBER 3- A witness has gone on the record to say that the police tried to change her story. While she claims the teen cried for help, the officer told her she heard Zimmerman cry for help. Yes, the officers collecting evidence from the only available witnesses told a woman what she heard. 

NUMBER 4- The ringer. The one the cops love to use on the black community....THE PREVIOUS CRIMINAL RECORD. What's the problem? When you are white, it means nothing. The cops are doing nothing about it because the white watchman is still free even though he has a record. The dead minor? NOT A SINGLE CHARGE AGAINST HIM.

 But as we've seen a million times before, if it's a black man with a record, it is, within moments, the VERY FIRST information released to the press or said at a podium, in many cases when cops themselves gun down blacks and hispanics (to perpetuate the good-for-nothing 'thug' imagery, one that clearly doesn't persist for whites as seen here).

So what's the end result? The case is in the hands of an almost all-white police force. The white shooter remains free. The black community remains outraged and in the dark. A minor is dead.

And you wonder who sets the tinder afire to create these 'race riots.' 

You needn't look to the blacks but the blue...the men in blue that is.

I wonder if whites are now thinking, "Where's Reverend Al and Jesse now?" I mean it's only a 17 year old black boy who is dead...


Everything in RED is speculative opinions and immaterial to the death of this teen.
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QUOTE Originally Posted by EddieGordo:



Personally I can't stand racism and ignorance and think there is nothing wrong with discussing race and racial issues....

Having said that, you misconstrued my point (Not a knock on you, I can see why interpreted it as such).  I meant that the arguments about race that GO ON IN YOUR THREADS are pointless.  Because in my opinion every time you start one of these threads it devolves into bashing and name calling, and I don't think I'm going out on a limb to say that objective and progressive dialogue and discussion on race RARELY IF EVER comes out of your threads.

So again there's certainly a time and a place to discuss race.  On a degenerate sports betting forum where the majority of posters have it out for you before you even post is not a productive one in my opinion. 
And thats about the size of it.
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Ok so we are up to post #76 on our way to #91 as promised.

#76 - Addressed to 165 yards. I'll let him answer it. As a side note, the thread, now proven, was far from over in post #3 although a mod deletion of the thread would certainly serve crod well at this point.

#77 - I previously addressed the school suspension 'plant a seed' talk crod is bringing into this discussion. 

He unfortunately then reports (but even more so, subtly endorses) the 'supposed' (Crod's words not mine accentuating something that there is little proof for), that this kid was stopping and staring in people's houses. 

If this is George Zimmerman's testimony, we know what kind of man Mr. Zimmerman is, aside from a murderer in my opinion. There is a very clear profile from the words that were recorded on the 911 call when he says, "These fool always get away."

The weight of that statement is not one to be undervalued and will make its way into a courtroom, and one day to jurors' ears.

Nonetheless, staring into people's houses is not a crime and that is the already skewed perception of a man who sees dreadlocks and black skin and thinks "criminal."

Of course, Crod1980 just needed to 'toss it out there' just in case some were unsure of the potential for violence this kid could have been capable of. 

Ultimately, NONE of this (i.e. staring into people's houses, school suspensions) warrants a DEATH SENTENCE and more importantly doesn't preclude a black teen who is approached by a big, burly night watchman from defending HIMSELF.

There was a self-defense claim here alright. But the one who may have been doing the defending cannot scream out from beyond the grave to tell the story...

Post #78 - 

Post #79 - Addressed to seaotter, not me. 

Post #80 and # 81 - Not relevant to the conversation at hand

Post #82 and #83 - My own posts.

Post # 84 - Depends on the kind of person each one is.

Post #85 - That is correct. The revelation that Zimmerman was Hispanic was not known and only conjecture until Zimmerman's father revealed it in the Orlando Sentinel at 10:42PM EST almost a half hour after you told me I was spreading misinformation.

The information from national news outlets up until that point was that he was 'white.' Luckily for you (yes, I said luckily), that changed when Zimmerman's father waited three weeks to tell the world he was not white, as though this absolves him from bias against black youths, because he has a mixed racial background.

And that is the key here, even if Zimmerman IS HISPANIC, that does NOT change the outrage of the black community or the grief of the black family.   

And yes, after three weeks of POLICE (READ THE TITLE CROC) mishandling, inaction, and potential witness tampering, and police who could have thought Zimmerman to be white, I would have made the same thread obviously omitting 'white night watchman' and replacing it with 'George Zimmerman.' Would that have altered the devaluing of a black life by the police?

Again, Hispanics can easily profile black youth just like whites and it, according to evidence, was done here. The police arrived at the scene and were all too willing to marginalize this black minor's death, apparently, according to witnesses, attempting to change witness statements AGAINST Trayvon and in favor of Zimmerman!!! There was favoritism and bias shown by the police if this testimony is legitimate, and why would we think otherwise?

Post #86 - Yes. That is why I waited so long to make a thread. To see how this would pan out. I saw enough at the time of posting and it made me sick.

The story of George Zimmerman as a white male or Hispanic male is quite complex.

A) For nearly three weeks he was a white male. Where did that come from? Was that drummed up by just the media or did the police themselves accept testimony that George Zimmerman identified himself as white?

This question has yet to be proven. But it should come out in court.

Why didn't the police identify Zimmerman as Hispanic before this? It would have given them some of the leeway you think they would have had (I don't think it gives them any since the kid was profiled and is now dead).

These are open-ended questions that need to be answered. Why did it take Zimmmerman's father to make a statement about his racial background, clearly one the father thinks absolves him of some bit of racist intention because he is not 100% caucasian. As though that is the only racial group that can be racist?

Also, as I explained, the cops could have thought of Zimmerman was white at the scene. That could matter. How did he identify himself? His name is white. His ID doesn't say "Hispanic male." Even if they didn't think of him as white, they clearly tried to alter the outcome of this case and crime and then dragged their feet as they are still doing.

A Hispanic male is not some sort of mongrel. It's like you're implying that if this man wasn't 100% pure Caucasian blood, I somehow wouldn't have made the thread because it wouldn't have implicated whites for a murder of a black youth.

This IN THE FACE of potential police corruption and mishandling, further marginalizing a dead black kid, a black family, and a black community. I pointed out in the in post #6 the history of such.

Apparently, George took it upon himself to be the self-appointed night watchman of the community and in the Trayvon family lawyer's words, he could have potentially considered himself one of the police. It would have been fitting because he was obsessed with blacks and their potential for crime within that gated community. He surveilled them and now murdered one. This is a story the black community knows all too well. Zimmerman and the police are apparently mirror images of each other.

This will all come out in court in due time. 

Post #87 - Not directed at me

Post #88 - What proper information? How can I make this clear to you so you understand it? The proper information at the time of posting was that Zimmerman was white. 





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Posted: 3/18/2012 8:47:43 PM
Post #89 - It looks like you need a class in hypothesis forming. 

You look at evidence. You come up with a hypothesis for argumentation or more specifically, an educated guess of future events. My guess is that if the police don't start acting (they have with the recent release of the 911 tapes), it could end up in mass protest against the police in this community (i.e. what the media would call a 'race riot'). I raised it because I see that as an eventual outcome. It is an guess yet to be proven true. The release of evidence and an eventual trial (I hope) will give us more of what we need to know.

At the time of the posting, the tapes hadn't been released. Police inaction (i.e. no arrests) inflamed racial tensions in Florida. That's what was occurring at the time and still is. The police have acted somewhat since then.

What does the community need? An arrest. Charges. An explanation as to what the police were waiting for. Do this and the community and family will be somewhat satisfied, disregarding the lose of life itself which can never be replaced. We'll see if the what I say is proven true. 
 
Post #90 - A correction

Post #91- Wrong. Again, the revelation that Zimmerman is Hispanic (and for all we know, could have identified himself as white, thickening this racial plot) DOES NOT explain the police motives in this case and they CLEARLY are in favor of letting Zimmerman remain free for the time being. That deserves a thread.

Time for a big shout-out to NoWorries... the guy who claims I run the other way every time someone questions me.
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Posted: 3/18/2012 8:58:36 PM

Scalabrine excels at turning something so simplistic into a novel of complete, complex bullshit. He should be a defense attorney, because he RARELY focuses on the argument at hand.  

How can a guy this well-versed in grammar be nothing more than a race-baiting fool?  I just hope my heart and soul never turns as dark as his.  What a miserable, pathetic, lonely existence it would be to live in a shell of hatred.

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Posted: 3/18/2012 9:05:04 PM
scalabrine, no one is saying that what George Zimmerman did was right, in fact just about everyone in the world knows that he should be probably be charged with murder and go to jail, but 75% of your opening post was based on the fact that Whites are getting away with what ever they want and your entire point about "Race Riots" possibly breaking out had been officially debunked within an hour of your posting this thread.

So the fact that the story that I linked from 10:42 and the fact that my information from 30 minutes prior matching it means that perhaps that I can see into the future? Or maybe I have psychic powers? Oh yeah, that's right, I was LUCKY.

I was LUCKY and you are the innocent victim here who was just looking out for the best interest of the poor kid that was killed. Even though that interest you were displaying was primarily based around The "White Watchman" getting away free and that the "White Watchman's" previous criminal record was not being considered because he was "White"


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