|Ok so we are up to post #76 on our way to #91 as promised.
Posted: 3/18/2012 8:47:34 PM
#76 - Addressed to 165 yards. I'll let him answer it. As a side note, the thread, now proven, was far from over in post #3 although a mod deletion of the thread would certainly serve crod well at this point.
#77 - I previously addressed the school suspension 'plant a seed' talk crod is bringing into this discussion.
He unfortunately then reports (but even more so, subtly endorses) the 'supposed' (Crod's words not mine accentuating something that there is little proof for), that this kid was stopping and staring in people's houses.
If this is George Zimmerman's testimony, we know what kind of man Mr. Zimmerman is, aside from a murderer in my opinion. There is a very clear profile from the words that were recorded on the 911 call when he says, "These fool always get away."
The weight of that statement is not one to be undervalued and will make its way into a courtroom, and one day to jurors' ears.
Nonetheless, staring into people's houses is not a crime and that is the already skewed perception of a man who sees dreadlocks and black skin and thinks "criminal."
Of course, Crod1980 just needed to 'toss it out there' just in case some were unsure of the potential for violence this kid could have been capable of.
Ultimately, NONE of this (i.e. staring into people's houses, school suspensions) warrants a DEATH SENTENCE and more importantly doesn't preclude a black teen who is approached by a big, burly night watchman from defending HIMSELF.
There was a self-defense claim here alright. But the one who may have been doing the defending cannot scream out from beyond the grave to tell the story...
Post #78 -
Post #79 - Addressed to seaotter, not me.
Post #80 and # 81 - Not relevant to the conversation at hand
Post #82 and #83 - My own posts.
Post # 84 - Depends on the kind of person each one is.
Post #85 - That is correct. The revelation that Zimmerman was Hispanic was not known and only conjecture until Zimmerman's father revealed it in the Orlando Sentinel at 10:42PM EST almost a half hour after you told me I was spreading misinformation.
The information from national news outlets up until that point was that he was 'white.' Luckily for you (yes, I said luckily), that changed when Zimmerman's father waited three weeks to tell the world he was not white, as though this absolves him from bias against black youths, because he has a mixed racial background.
And that is the key here, even if Zimmerman IS HISPANIC, that does NOT change the outrage of the black community or the grief of the black family.
And yes, after three weeks of POLICE (READ THE TITLE CROC) mishandling, inaction, and potential witness tampering, and police who could have thought Zimmerman to be white, I would have made the same thread obviously omitting 'white night watchman' and replacing it with 'George Zimmerman.' Would that have altered the devaluing of a black life by the police?
Again, Hispanics can easily profile black youth just like whites and it, according to evidence, was done here. The police arrived at the scene and were all too willing to marginalize this black minor's death, apparently, according to witnesses, attempting to change witness statements AGAINST Trayvon and in favor of Zimmerman!!! There was favoritism and bias shown by the police if this testimony is legitimate, and why would we think otherwise?
Post #86 - Yes. That is why I waited so long to make a thread. To see how this would pan out. I saw enough at the time of posting and it made me sick.
The story of George Zimmerman as a white male or Hispanic male is quite complex.
A) For nearly three weeks he was a white male. Where did that come from? Was that drummed up by just the media or did the police themselves accept testimony that George Zimmerman identified himself as white?
This question has yet to be proven. But it should come out in court.
Why didn't the police identify Zimmerman as Hispanic before this? It would have given them some of the leeway you think they would have had (I don't think it gives them any since the kid was profiled and is now dead).
These are open-ended questions that need to be answered. Why did it take Zimmmerman's father to make a statement about his racial background, clearly one the father thinks absolves him of some bit of racist intention because he is not 100% caucasian. As though that is the only racial group that can be racist?
Also, as I explained, the cops could have thought of Zimmerman was white at the scene. That could matter. How did he identify himself? His name is white. His ID doesn't say "Hispanic male." Even if they didn't think of him as white, they clearly tried to alter the outcome of this case and crime and then dragged their feet as they are still doing.
A Hispanic male is not some sort of mongrel. It's like you're implying that if this man wasn't 100% pure Caucasian blood, I somehow wouldn't have made the thread because it wouldn't have implicated whites for a murder of a black youth.
This IN THE FACE of potential police corruption and mishandling, further marginalizing a dead black kid, a black family, and a black community. I pointed out in the in post #6 the history of such.
Apparently, George took it upon himself to be the self-appointed night watchman of the community and in the Trayvon family lawyer's words, he could have potentially considered himself one of the police. It would have been fitting because he was obsessed with blacks and their potential for crime within that gated community. He surveilled them and now murdered one. This is a story the black community knows all too well. Zimmerman and the police are apparently mirror images of each other.
This will all come out in court in due time.
Post #87 - Not directed at me
Post #88 - What proper information? How can I make this clear to you so you understand it? The proper information at the time of posting was that Zimmerman was white.