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Posted: 9/17/2017 10:16:31 AM
what a week of games

I was very impressed by the heart and grit the Texas Longhorns showed, if they had more experience at QB they win that game, the youngster missed all sorts of throws but that team played superb defensively, you can sense them getting closer, it doesn't take Tom long to turn the tide, bravo to the Horns, well played 

USC on the other hand is what they are, a very nice team with talent but overrated, that is coming from a USC & Pac12 fan, that win over Stanford was nice but doesn't look as great the more you watch Stanford, the Cardinal just don't have great skill players and obviously aren't as good in the trenches if USC pushed them around all night

Clemson once again proved to be the BEST team in the country, seems like I have mentioned that for 3 weeks now, maybe it's beginner's luck, I know our SEC faithful are waiting on the edge of their seats for a Clemson loss so they can pounce, well, Bama gave up more points to Colorado St in Tusca then Clemson gave up to Lamar Jackson at Louey, just a little food for thought for those of you who wear blinders and can't see so well during football season

Louisville will beat lots of teams but they'll have to outscore them, their defense has holes and Bobby will have to get focused on that side of the ball, nobody will score on the Clemson d line so his offense is just fine

Vandy beat the Manhattan Cats, props to that program for a great turnaround, they are legit on defense and will not be an easy out for the some of the less than talented offenses they will face in the SEC

I'm not sure what I was watching when Florida played Tenn, what I do know is I wasn't watching offense or QB play, all I can say is wow, I'll leave it at that, not much else needs to be said if you saw that game

very impressed by Auburn's huge 2 touchdown win over Mercer , way to coach them up Gus, from playoff talk to grinding wins over Mercer, lots of talk this morning out on the plains, the faithful will be ready to fire Gus very soon, Auburn has way too much talent to play like this

Mike Riley is going to hear it all week in Lincoln, that QB can sling it but I don't see much else to like from that team, we need programs like Nebraska and Auburn to be very good again, it's better for college football

great win for Miss St, they are a sleeping giant with that QB, he's clearly good enough to bring them a long way this year, beating LSU by 30 is impossible for any school to do, that is amazing, great job Miss St, you just moved waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay up my board

I have to admit when I'm wrong about a team if I'm going to point out when I'm right, I was wrong about Oklahoma St, I thought they were top 15-20 material but getting way too much hype coming into the season, they are a legit contender if they can continue to pass block well, that QB to wr combos they have is unstoppable if they get good pass protection, Clemson would be a huge challenge for this team in that area, not sure they'll face that issue much in league play, will be a fun game to watch this week vs TCU, the Frogs can stop the run but are vulnerable to giving up big plays in the pass game, something tells me this spread could be high

tcu/smu was a great game to watch, it took a hail mary to end the half and a late flurry including a pick 6 for them to win by 20, a few things to notice in that game was lack of depth for SMU, if they had equal depth they go toe to toe with TCU for 4 qtrs, what an amazing job Chad Morris is doing there, they are a good team and will pound some opponents, I'll also note Kenny Hill is improving, he made some nice throws in that game, he will have to play flawless to pull the upset in Stillwater

good easy win for Wisconsin, BYU is auto fade, they have very little talent in Provo this year and can't do anything on offense, their offense is about like watching Florida, it's actually worse than Florida 

UCLA/Memphis was a fun watch with not much defense going on, UCLA was the better team but a few costly mistakes and missed assignments on defense sends them back to LA with a loss, Bruins have to improve leaps and bounds defensively or Mora won't make it past this season

Oregon is good, they'll improve defensively under mean face each week, that offense is legit and I love that they can throw now, Ducks are going to be dangerous at the end of the year


top 10 coming, then its time for the winning 

excuse typos as I don't stop to read what I'm typing 



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Posted: 9/17/2017 10:30:57 AM
My top 10

(please note before you nutjobs come in, my ratings are my ratings and not designed to match yours or anyone else's, they also change each week as I adapt)

1. Clemson (easiest choice ever, only now others are seeing)
2. Alabama (very good squad still)
3. Ok State (what an offense)
4. Oklahoma (good but still not convinced they are great)
5. Penn St. (doing what they are supposed to do with bad teams)
6. Washington (not impressed thus far)
7. USC (not impressed overall and think a loss will be looming)
8. Wisconsin (are what they are, just typical Badger ball)
9. Miss St. (new edition, how can you deny this team after that)
10. Oregon (new edition, nothing to do with beating Wyoming)

close but no cigar
Georgia - will see what they are made of soon
Michigan - win over Florida not looking great now
Ohio St - can't stop good QB's from throwing (ok, okst, miss st, oreg)
Florida St. - not sure how good new QB will be
Va Tech - lacking a bit on defense now that they sped their offense up, many will point to Bud Foster but Bud looked great when they were playing slowish Beamer ball

NO team with a hurry up tempo can possibly have a GREAT defense, it doesn't work that way 




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Posted: 9/17/2017 10:41:27 AM
GREAT WORK AS ALWAYS 


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Posted: 9/17/2017 10:56:43 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by WahooS:

My top 10

(please note before you nutjobs come in, my ratings are my ratings and not designed to match yours or anyone else's, they also change each week as I adapt)

1. Clemson (easiest choice ever, only now others are seeing)
2. Alabama (very good squad still)
3. Ok State (what an offense)
4. Oklahoma (good but still not convinced they are great)
5. Penn St. (doing what they are supposed to do with bad teams)
6. Washington (not impressed thus far)
7. USC (not impressed overall and think a loss will be looming)
8. Wisconsin (are what they are, just typical Badger ball)
9. Miss St. (new edition, how can you deny this team after that)
10. Oregon (new edition, nothing to do with beating Wyoming)

close but no cigar
Georgia - will see what they are made of soon
Michigan - win over Florida not looking great now
Ohio St - can't stop good QB's from throwing (ok, okst, miss st, oreg)
Florida St. - not sure how good new QB will be
Va Tech - lacking a bit on defense now that they sped their offense up, many will point to Bud Foster but Bud looked great when they were playing slowish Beamer ball

NO team with a hurry up tempo can possibly have a GREAT defense, it doesn't work that way 




Well done.........I agree with a lot of these. Moving Oregon up that far is a real stretch, however.......I've seen their games & while the offense is impressive (Herbert is good & being ignored by the national pundits), their defense is still very suspect.
 I also agree with moving USC down. They're loaded with talent but are poorly coached. They are a "gym rat" team. They'll beat lesser teams on talent alone but, as we saw last night, talent + coaching will give them problems.
 I have Alabama down at #3 (behind Clemson & Oklahoma) simply because they they don't have a true road win.......but it doesn't matter.....they're a top 4 team right now.
 I like what CP is doing with Washington in these games. They played 2's & 3's almost the entire 2nd half last night, which is vital because they're still a very young team depth-wise.

 Good read, bro.
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Wahoo,   Like your picks but love your editorials.  You express with great clearness and stuff.  Pulitzer worthy.   Just need to get the Pulitzers to recognize great "Knucklehead Posters".  If they honor flag dancing and water ballet in the Olympics with gold medals then you should be considered for your outstanding clearness and stuff by the Pulitzers guys.

I need to add Vandy to my pesky team list that you don't really want to play if your "elite".

Lots of fun games this week.      By the way,  hate that Harvey stuff.  Mostly hate it because it affected so many nice hard working people.  Also hate that I think about invisible rabbits and Jimmy Stewart when I hear that name.

Stay Hard,   Doc


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Posted: 9/17/2017 11:01:16 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by THEMUGG:

Well done.........I agree with a lot of these. Moving Oregon up that far is a real stretch, however.......I've seen their games & while the offense is impressive (Herbert is good & being ignored by the national pundits), their defense is still very suspect.
 I also agree with moving USC down. They're loaded with talent but are poorly coached. They are a "gym rat" team. They'll beat lesser teams on talent alone but, as we saw last night, talent + coaching will give them problems.
 I have Alabama down at #3 (behind Clemson & Oklahoma) simply because they they don't have a true road win.......but it doesn't matter.....they're a top 4 team right now.
 I like what CP is doing with Washington in these games. They played 2's & 3's almost the entire 2nd half last night, which is vital because they're still a very young team depth-wise.

 Good read, bro.

I certainly see weak defense from Oregon but I think that will improve each week under mean face, he's a great defensive coach and I'd expect Oregon make a run at the pac12 title, that offense can finally run and throw, they are legit

we are on the same page 
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Posted: 9/17/2017 11:01:42 AM
Bedlam should be a doozy this season. 

Clemson's offense stepped up big under the national spotlight. I was very skeptical of this team preseason and thought 2-3 losses was highly likely but man Kelly Bryant really stepped up quickly. Shows what coaching Clemson has going on. 

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Posted: 9/17/2017 11:15:48 AM
Pecador- Harvey was a disaster for many including friends and family, never seen so much devastation, at the end of the day it is just "stuff" though, nobody I know lost their life and we all have each other, that is the most important, I've been helping out around the city quite a bit and have seen some really sad situations, really puts things in perspective, I'm very blessed in life and certainly thankful, thanks for the post

TXP24 -  Bedlam will be awesome, I think Okie Light gets it done if everyone on both teams is healthy when they play and yes on Clemson, they are just the best program going along with Bama, Dabo has built a giant there and they will continue to reload and have big seasons 



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Posted: 9/17/2017 11:25:50 AM
Great stuff as always.  A couple of thoughts.

Yes, for Clemson it is the talent and DEPTH on the DL and OL.  Last year the two best teams in those areas were Clemson and Alabama. Who was in the championship game?  To challenge them a team is either going to have to have great starters with no injuries or very good on both sides with some great skill players. Must have been 30 threads talking up Louisville and the points.  No room in this endeavor for emotions, trying to predict their downfall is going to be expensive.

I'm higher on OU than you.  Their starting OL is steller, top 5 for sure and they have successfully reloaded at skill positions with veteran QB and great OC...HC (but Mayfield and him are calling shots).  Not sure how good the defense is but it is better than OU has fielded in the last 5 years (like to see them against a good passing team).

I'm cautious about USC.  Not sure what is going on with Stanford, either.  The QB is a huge problem with Cards but they are solid on OL and defense....on paper.  So I still have that USC win as pretty impressive.  I watched the Texas/USC game and well it just didn't look like USC was trying very hard....maybe Stanford big body hangover?  There were tons of drops by the WRs in that game vs Stanford where USC was beating them with plays that were well defended.  Keep in mind that the talent and depth of the Texas squad is going to take 2-3 years min to catch up to top 10 programs.  Texas D not as much credit as scoreboard and the offense is and was not very good.  Long, late night game that went to Double OT. Texas going a longer break then on road again at Iowa St on a Thursday.  USC has to travel to Cal next week and doesn't have a bye all year.

Speaking of Cal, a shout out to Justin Wilcox starting out 3-0.  They were out talented vs the Ole Miss offense but managed to shut them out in the 2nd half creating a ton of havoc and confusion for Shae Patterson.  This isn't the Sonny Dykes offense anymore, they have slowed it down to help out the defense and just don't have the explosive abilities of years past but they are solid and play hard and will surprise some people.

Bama not that impressive.  They are weaker and have less depth on D and the offensive is still limited.  They are vunerable, as far as a top 5 program can be.  A Colorado program that lost nearly its entire 2ndary to the NFL from last year held the Rams to 3 pts. Bama allowed 23, including 144 yards rushing at 3.6 ypc and 22 first downs.  Realize they were playing some backups in the 2nd half but there is still something to be learned.

K-State is a very good team, Vandy winning should be carefully noted.  Watch out dumpster fire potential teams in the SEC such as Florida, Ole Miss, Texas A&M, Tenn and Auburn.

Not sure about anointing the Irish yet.  Don't think the BC defense is as stout as it has been and although he is leaps and bounds ahead of Malik Zaire as a passer that isn't saying much and the Irish aren't going to just run over everyone without Wimbush passing the ball.

Thanks again and best of luck this week.
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Posted: 9/17/2017 11:33:31 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by JBone_Texas:

Great stuff as always.  A couple of thoughts.

Yes, for Clemson it is the talent and DEPTH on the DL and OL.  Last year the two best teams in those areas were Clemson and Alabama. Who was in the championship game?  To challenge them a team is either going to have to have great starters with no injuries or very good on both sides with some great skill players. Must have been 30 threads talking up Louisville and the points.  No room in this endeavor for emotions, trying to predict their downfall is going to be expensive.

I'm higher on OU than you.  Their starting OL is steller, top 5 for sure and they have successfully reloaded at skill positions with veteran QB and great OC...HC (but Mayfield and him are calling shots).  Not sure how good the defense is but it is better than OU has fielded in the last 5 years (like to see them against a good passing team).

I'm cautious about USC.  Not sure what is going on with Stanford, either.  The QB is a huge problem with Cards but they are solid on OL and defense....on paper.  So I still have that USC win as pretty impressive.  I watched the Texas/USC game and well it just didn't look like USC was trying very hard....maybe Stanford big body hangover?  There were tons of drops by the WRs in that game vs Stanford where USC was beating them with plays that were well defended.  Keep in mind that the talent and depth of the Texas squad is going to take 2-3 years min to catch up to top 10 programs.  Texas D not as much credit as scoreboard and the offense is and was not very good.  Long, late night game that went to Double OT. Texas going a longer break then on road again at Iowa St on a Thursday.  USC has to travel to Cal next week and doesn't have a bye all year.

Speaking of Cal, a shout out to Justin Wilcox starting out 3-0.  They were out talented vs the Ole Miss offense but managed to shut them out in the 2nd half creating a ton of havoc and confusion for Shae Patterson.  This isn't the Sonny Dykes offense anymore, they have slowed it down to help out the defense and just don't have the explosive abilities of years past but they are solid and play hard and will surprise some people.

Bama not that impressive.  They are weaker and have less depth on D and the offensive is still limited.  They are vunerable, as far as a top 5 program can be.  A Colorado program that lost nearly its entire 2ndary to the NFL from last year held the Rams to 3 pts. Bama allowed 23, including 144 yards rushing at 3.6 ypc and 22 first downs.  Realize they were playing some backups in the 2nd half but there is still something to be learned.

K-State is a very good team, Vandy winning should be carefully noted.  Watch out dumpster fire potential teams in the SEC such as Florida, Ole Miss, Texas A&M, Tenn and Auburn.

Not sure about anointing the Irish yet.  Don't think the BC defense is as stout as it has been and although he is leaps and bounds ahead of Malik Zaire as a passer that isn't saying much and the Irish aren't going to just run over everyone without Wimbush passing the ball.

Thanks again and best of luck this week.

well done brotha, this is the kind of post I like 
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  trying to add some value.  Its getting hard to find these days.

Perspective, a quick check says Alabama gave up 100 or more yards rushing last year twice in 15 games.  Ole Miss 101 at 3.1 ypc and A&M 114 at 3.0 ypc.
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J Bone,     Your right about it all.    I wish Kan. St. would spice up that offense  instead of Ertz or Urkel or whatever just doing that QB shuffle waiting for a block.      I had a good GOY with Notre Dame -7 but glad I didn't make more of them.   I kept looking at @ Mich. St. -4.  Glad I stayed away.  Wimbush is fine but a one trick pony so far.   Looking to use BC on TT's and Team unders more.  That offense is very slow.  Maybe not as slow as BYU but close.  


I enjoy your thoughts.  Very precise.

Stay Hard,   Doc


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Nice work, Wahoo!  
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USC

QB Sam would have monster numbers if the idiots would learn to catch the ball.  Way too many dropped passes.  One deflection for a pick 6.

Texas played with a lot of heart.

Cal got away with a catch and fumble.  
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Posted: 9/17/2017 12:59:14 PM
USC- not as concerned as others are. Texas showed us what we have known forever. They are loaded with athletes. They gave USC their best shot playing highly motivated football. I wonder how many good teams they would beat with that kind of effort each week? USC got a ugly win but more importantly a huge wake up call to things they need to address quickly but still won. I think this game was good for them. 

Mich- very concerned about that offense and QB play. The defense is good but they got to get some things figured out quickly.

Oregon- they have a nice schedule and could really make some noise in the Pac 12. 

Clemson- my hats off to you guys. They are truly a re load program and the team to beat this year. 

Okie St- Hard to take a Gundy squad seriously but I am 100% sold. Watch out Sooners. 

S Florida- totally unimpressed. Strong ball transfers from Texas to S Florida.( Penalties, Drops, turn overs ect) 

 Cal- 3-0 and won with defense last night. Maybe the brainiacs at Berkeley finally figured out you have to try and play some  defense. They also won a cross country road game?  Program heading in the right direction. 

 ND and Neb- both garbage teams. 


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Posted: 9/17/2017 1:42:06 PM
Wahoo

Love your stuff bro.



You were dead on with Clemson......Not only did they show that they were going to fine despite losing Watson - but that the offense would once again be a strength..........LOOKOUT for whoever gets them the rest of the year.......I will admit - I was not sold on Kelley Bryant going in.


As far as NEB goes - Mike Riley put all this on himself IMO  when he decided to go and get a graduated transfer QB from Tulane -  Tanner Lee who was a below AVG starting QB there...........

Tanner Lee has thrown 7 INTS in the last 2 games........

You would think NEB would get right by Rutgers this week but with that QB and ??? in that "D"    What do you think?


I bet the LSU team win total UNDER.....Not only what that team lost on defense / but when you factor it in with the very litlle EXP they had coming back - I think they will be a .500  this season

BTW  LSU themselves screwed up by picking up a grad. QB themselves from Purdue in Ettling......He won 2 games in 12 starts at Purdue

Whats with this trend of major college programs bringing in sub par QB transfers?



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Ucla was the better team. Memphis pass defense was shambolic.
Kstate was better too, but not by much, and it's hard to imagine that QB making it though too many weeks with the load they've been giving him.
Tulane is going to be interesting in what was already a very wide-open AAC West. Tulsa impressed as well.
Rocky Long continues to demonstrate that he can get a lot out of a little (sort of the inverse of LSU)
Hard not to be even mire more impressed with what the Terps were able to do in Austin.
It's a shame to see what's going on in Lincoln. Good news for Riley is that the OSU job he never should have left should be open soon
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QUOTE Originally Posted by Beningo88:

 

 Cal- 3-0 and won with defense last night. Maybe the brainiacs at Berkeley finally figured out you have to try and play some  defense. They also won a cross country road game?  Program heading in the right direction. 



No Cal was at home. 
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Mike Med,      Yeh,  It's been in my mind for awhile.  What's up with bad QB'S  transferring ?   Desperation ?  

I'm sure I'm not gonna surprise you if I say HCing is more sucking up and playing politics than getting down in the trenches like you demand of the players.
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Nice week! Good call on Wisky...
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QUOTE Originally Posted by MaineRoad:


It's a shame to see what's going on in Lincoln. Good news for Riley is that the OSU job he never should have left should be open soon



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Posted: 9/17/2017 7:19:11 PM
 few early picks

Wake Forest - 3 (plus juice, WTF?)
they may be in lookahead mode but FFS they are flat out better

SMU - 1.5
this line should be 7.5, ponies will simply outscore them

Michigan - 8
this line was 10 and then shot down, not sure who was smashing Purdue but I bumped it back up, buy low sell high here, simple stuff

Clemson - 32.5
backups or starters, doesn't matter, this is a blowout

Oregon - 15
Ducks should just score and score and score, will wait on total

Miss St. + 7
terrible spot but Kirby has to prove it to me



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