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Posted: 5/6/2017 3:58:24 AM
Does anybody have a Heisman sleeper/dark horse, or just a player that you think offers good value?  I did pretty well betting the Heisman last year, unfortuntely they were very small plays... I took Mitch Trubisky, and Lamar Jackson, both had very good seasons and offered unbelievable odds at this time last year.  It was really nice collecting on Lamar jackson last season at +5000 before the season started, so I think I will make a few small wagers on these "long shots"

As of right now, I think Lamar Jackson and Sam Darnold are the two players with the best chance of winning the heisman, but I am looking for player who offer more value.  Here are some of my favorites at the moment.... I pretty much only see value in QB's or RB's, here are some of the early QB's who I think have a chance

1.  Brandon Wimbush QB Notre Dame
2.  Jarrett Stidham QB Auburn
3.  Shane Buechele QB Texas
4.  Quinten Dormadey QB Tennessee 
5.  Mason Rudolph QB OK State
6. Jake Bentley QB South Carolina
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Posted: 5/6/2017 7:34:45 AM
Al, of the six you listed above, I would favor the Oklahoma State quarterback.

It's almost a given these days that the Heisman winner will come from a winning (good) team.  The Cowboys need Rudolph to have a big year.  He passed for over 4,000 yards last year with 28 touchdowns and only 4 interceptions.

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Posted: 5/7/2017 11:58:50 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by WalterTibbs:

Al, of the six you listed above, I would favor the Oklahoma State quarterback.

It's almost a given these days that the Heisman winner will come from a winning (good) team.  The Cowboys need Rudolph to have a big year.  He passed for over 4,000 yards last year with 28 touchdowns and only 4 interceptions.


I agree Rudolph should put up some monster numbers this season, OK State has 3 proven WR's who all have good chemistry with Rudolph.  James Washington is an absolute beast, Jalen Mckleskey had 74 rec and 850 yards, and chris Lacy is another big wr who has played well.  They also have a transfer from LSU, who was one of the top WR;s in the country.  This is one of the best offenses in football, and the BIG 12 plays the worst football in the country.  OK State also landed a great Oline transfer from Cal, and should have a really good running game with Justice Hill. 
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Posted: 5/8/2017 6:24:26 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by alopez14325:

Originally Posted by WalterTibbs] Al, of the six you listed above, I would favor the Oklahoma State quarterback.It's almost a given these days that the Heisman winner will come from a winning (good) team.  The Cowboys need Rudolph to have a big year.  He passed for over 4,000 yards last year with 28 touchdowns and only 4 interceptions.
I agree Rudolph should put up some monster numbers this season, OK State has 3 proven WR's who all have good chemistry with Rudolph.  James Washington is an absolute beast, Jalen Mckleskey had 74 rec and 850 yards, and chris Lacy is another big wr who has played well.  They also have a transfer from LSU, who was one of the top WR;s in the country.  This is one of the best offenses in football, and the BIG 12 plays the worst football in the country.  OK State also landed a great Oline transfer from Cal, and should have a really good running game with Justice Hill.
I'd be all over Rudolph, that team is LOADED offensively and could go undefeated and make the playoff. Hed be getting tons of publicity and voters seeing this.
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Posted: 5/10/2017 7:42:35 AM
As mentioned above, Rudolph has a nice group of receivers to throw to.  Quarterbacks love guys who can get open and catch the ball.

He'll put up some big numbers this season...BIG!
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Posted: 5/10/2017 11:17:35 PM

Did you know that I have applied for a Heisman vote?

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Posted: 5/11/2017 1:52:42 AM
I didnt know somebody could apply for a heisman vote, what's the criteria for being accepted?  

I think Buchele could have a very good season, for much of the same reasons as Mason Rudolph.  Buchele was very good as a true freshman, and that game experience should be valuable to his development.  Texas has the best LT in the country entering the season, but they also have a good ground game with Chris Warren, and they're returning some massive WR's, they have several Wr's over 6'3, which could really help Buchele's TD total.  He also gets to play against BIG 12 defenses, which means inflated numbers.
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Posted: 5/11/2017 12:48:47 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by alopez14325:

Does anybody have a Heisman sleeper/dark horse, or just a player that you think offers good value?  I did pretty well betting the Heisman last year, unfortuntely they were very small plays... I took Mitch Trubisky, and Lamar Jackson, both had very good seasons and offered unbelievable odds at this time last year.  It was really nice collecting on Lamar jackson last season at +5000 before the season started, so I think I will make a few small wagers on these "long shots"

As of right now, I think Lamar Jackson and Sam Darnold are the two players with the best chance of winning the heisman, but I am looking for player who offer more value.  Here are some of my favorites at the moment.... I pretty much only see value in QB's or RB's, here are some of the early QB's who I think have a chance

1.  Brandon Wimbush QB Notre Dame
2.  Jarrett Stidham QB Auburn
3.  Shane Buechele QB Texas
4.  Quinten Dormadey QB Tennessee 
5.  Mason Rudolph QB OK State
6. Jake Bentley QB South Carolina
Rudolph has a chance........the rest would be a waste of money, especially considering the other qb's around the country.
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Posted: 5/11/2017 1:04:47 PM
Try this dark horse for the Heisman.

LSU running back Derrius Guice.

The kid is a stud!!

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Posted: 5/12/2017 4:12:05 PM

Tibbs I wrote a letter to the Heisman group and they told me I have to be nominated by a writer from my area of the country. They give out votes to writers from Midwest,southeast etc. So when I writer from my area of the country doesn't want to vote anymore they could nominate me. 10% of voters LY voted before Championship Saturday

Had I had a vote LY my five choices would've been

1. Deshaun Watson

2. Lamar Jackson

3. Baker Mayfield

4. Adoree' Jackson

5. Donnel Pumphrey

If Dan LeBetard's dad has a vote why not packers1992? I'm a play by play guy and I do some radio hosting as well so i'm in the media

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Posted: 5/12/2017 4:27:10 PM
Good LUCK Pack.  It would be great if a fellow teammate here at Covers had a Heisman vote.

Love your enthusiasm Bud!  
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Posted: 5/12/2017 5:02:59 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by THEMUGG:

Rudolph has a chance........the rest would be a waste of money, especially considering the other qb's around the country.

I understand what you're saying, but I disagree because there are so many players who have a garbage at the heisman, and just like last season, people considered a bet on Jackson, or Trubisky as a long shot.  I do think JT Barrett, Lamar Jackson, Mason Rudolph, Sam Darnald, Barkley, Weber, and Baker Mayfield have the best chances, but there'es no reason sombody like Stidham, Buchele, or Jake Bentley could have a great season and win it all.
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Posted: 5/12/2017 7:26:28 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by alopez14325:


I understand what you're saying, but I disagree because there are so many players who have a garbage at the heisman, and just like last season, people considered a bet on Jackson, or Trubisky as a long shot.  I do think JT Barrett, Lamar Jackson, Mason Rudolph, Sam Darnald, Barkley, Weber, and Baker Mayfield have the best chances, but there'es no reason sombody like Stidham, Buchele, or Jake Bentley could have a great season and win it all.
We know it's a crapp shoot, that it's not the the best CFB player, but the best player on the best team.........& sometimes a long shot hits. At the risk of being a homer, I'm considering putting some down on Jake Browning. It was unfortunate that he was hurt towards the end of the season when most of the country saw him play. It was never disclosed but we could all tell he had no zip on his throws the L4 games. He had surgery on the bad shoulder (throwing) right after the season & should be good to go. The Huskies have a runable schedule & could be 12-0 going into the Pac-12 CG. Win that & they're in the playoffs.........& we know the Heisman voting is before the playoffs.
 I know his odds aren't long, but @ 15/1 I see some value in it.........jmo.
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Posted: 5/12/2017 7:49:14 PM
Mugg makes a good point.

How many Heisman winners have come from losing teams?  The Heisman Prince will come from a winning team that gets a ton of PUB.

The question is...what are the teams with a star player who can qualify?

I would throw Jake Browning in the mix...at least today!
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Posted: 5/12/2017 10:10:26 PM
I agree, and the amount of games a team wins is very important when winning a heisman, this is why I try to avoid players wiyh losing teams.  If I was only allowed to take two candidates, I would have to go Lamar Jackson, and Sam Darnold.  Darnold is the best QB prospect I can remember since Andrew Luck, and Usc has so many quality offensvie and defensive starters.  They also have a relatively easy schedule, which means more wins.  

However it;s not like the Heisman winner has to play for the college football playoffs, just look at what Jackson did last season.  Buchele should put up huge numbers, and they should have a much better team, but it's definitely early to start predicting Heisman dark horses.
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Posted: 5/12/2017 11:11:24 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by THEMUGG:

We know it's a crapp shoot, that it's not the the best CFB player, but the best player on the best team.........& sometimes a long shot hits. At the risk of being a homer, I'm considering putting some down on Jake Browning. It was unfortunate that he was hurt towards the end of the season when most of the country saw him play. It was never disclosed but we could all tell he had no zip on his throws the L4 games. He had surgery on the bad shoulder (throwing) right after the season & should be good to go. The Huskies have a runable schedule & could be 12-0 going into the Pac-12 CG. Win that & they're in the playoffs.........& we know the Heisman voting is before the playoffs.
 I know his odds aren't long, but @ 15/1 I see some value in it.........jmo.


Not a Heisman bet, but I did lock in a small UW Futures play to win the Champsionship at +6600 this offseason for the value alone on hedge opportunities.  The non-conf games are wins (similar to last year's light non-conf scheduling and that did not hurt them).  I think they win the Pac 12 North.  They won't play USC until the Pac 12 title game, if at all.  If they do meet USC in the Pac 12 title game, it's a revenge game.  Making the CFB playoff a second year in a row is not that much of a stretch for this value.

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Posted: 5/13/2017 12:06:16 AM
Man I really like Luke Falk as a long shot.....I was so impressed watching that guy play last year......The guy made some impossible throws that convinced me he is just not a product of that spread / Leach offensive system........Those stats are for real and that team is on the rise.
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Posted: 5/13/2017 12:09:48 AM
I probably couldve been more clear, regarding heisman predictions.  I didnt want to use the word sleeper, becuase that implies that the player has no real shot, but Jake Browning is a guy I consider to be a value pick.... He's a guy who could win it, but at 15/1 there is still very good value there.  I think Mason Rudolph has some value at 15/1, Kam Pettway at 30/1 Shane Buchele at 40/1 Jarrett Stidham at 40/1 Mike Weber at 50/1 and Derwin James 75/1. Brandon Wimbush 75/1 and Arden Key 100/1... 
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Posted: 5/13/2017 12:12:24 AM
I actually think Darnold and Lamar Jackson at 7/1 could both be good value bets.  There's a good chance Jackson really annihilates his 2017 stats, but it's never easy to predict the heisman during May.
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Posted: 6/8/2017 11:19:28 PM
Jackson is damn good but it's hard to repeat.

LSU's Guise has taken a back seat last year when maybe he shouldn't.  This kid will surprise after the other RB who got all the hype is gone to the NFL.  Some NFL scouts love this guy! 

Real Deal Hollyfield....
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Posted: 6/9/2017 12:26:22 AM
I'm a Michigan fan so this is hard for me to spit out, but J.T. Barrett could be a play at 12-1. That is, if OC Wilson is given the keys to the offensive. Don't know how far Urban is going let Wilson call the shots, but I think Wilson can get the most out of Barrett.
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Posted: 6/9/2017 12:46:02 AM
I Like some longer odds players 

WEBER   66-1
GASKIN   125-1
Herbert 200-1
K HILL 200-1
BRYCE LOVE 125-1

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Posted: 6/9/2017 1:32:34 PM
My Current HEISMAN action

M RUDOLPH OKLAHOMA ST QB  33-1   $120/3960

WEBER   OHIO ST  RB   55-1    $100/$5,500

HERBERT   OREGON QB   150-1  15/$2250
 
GASKIN    WASHINGTON RB  125-1     $20/2500

B RYPIEN  BOISE ST QB  125-1   #20/2500

K HILL TCU  QB 200-1   $12/2400

B LOVE   STANFORD  RB  125-1  $8/1000

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