Can Ohio State win the national championship?

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Posted: 3/26/2017 1:11:56 PM
With all the youth that Ohio State endured during 2016 are now the foundation of one of the strongest returning groups in college football, so yes they can win the NC.  While the team will undergo some offensive philosophy changes with new offensive coordinator Kevin Wilson, there is loads of talent for Wilson to work with as eight starters return.  The Buckeyes third ranked scoring defense brings back seven starters but needs to replace four players who will be in the NFL this season.  If new players in the secondary step up, this will be a top notch defense especially with a very talented line.  Meyer signed five 5-Star recruits plus a host of other talented prospects to join an already loaded team.  I'm an SEC guy but my choice to win it all this year is from the Big Ten.

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Posted: 3/27/2017 1:09:57 AM

Sept. 2 — at Indiana  .. ohio state blowout for multiple reasons 1. beatdown to clemson, mey will not let this team forget getting shutout 2. Wilson will be out for blood against the team that defamated his carachter 3 with one week of prep before a home tilt the the fighting stoops u can bet wilson has the starters sharpening their saw for all 4 quarters

Sept. 9 — Oklahoma 2017 oklahoma will take a step back from last years team. ohio states D will be nasty and their offense will be equally as lethal for the first time since texas tom was whispering in the JT barrets ear line should settle around ohio state -10 depending on how the 2 teams look week 1

Sept. 16 — Army.... W

Sept. 23 — UNLV.... W

Sept. 30 — at Rutgers... Ash is slowly but steadily building a solid team in piscataway, the talent in the area alone would be enough to get them to b a significant B1G challenger... if they were in the west

Oct. 7 — Maryland... see above

Oct. 14 — at Nebraska urbans record the week before a by is impeccable, expect the boys to be ready to put their A game as not to deal with hearing for 2 weeks how they didnt live up to urbans expectations

Oct. 21 — Off

Oct. 28 — Penn State... anyone see the 2016 game in happy valley??? im sure the entire 2016 team will remember it as well. i dont care how much molestation U has upgraded, they outperformed expectations in 2016 and i think the hype train has been drinking a bit too much of the cool aid.

Nov. 4 — at Iowa  Trap game!!  the moon will also be full

Nov. 11 — Michigan State  sparty as a dog is never fun to deal with

Nov. 18 — Illinois  another lookahead spot... with TTUN on deck all itll take is 25 MPH swirling winds and the incarnation of rashard mendenhall and juice williams to lose this game but ive seen it before

Nov. 25 — at Michigan.. rivalry games are never a gimme but captain dipshit fielded the best michigan team in 15 years in 2016 and they still couldnt pull off a W even though it was gift wrapped for them.. makes you wonder if those things are getting well into the heads of wolverine players and coaches. this team will take a significant step in the wrong directon this year and this is a game that would make their season as well as build confidence for 2018 when michigan will finally be in the same stratosphere as ohio state in terms of depth of talent. 

i could easily see an undefeated season, this team is extremely talented The depest defensive line in college football and the dbs may take some time to gel but if you arent buying stock in kerry coombs and his ability to develop NFL starting caliber DBs then you are foolish, the talent to plug and play is there at DB and i see no reason to worry that they are not ready to go by fall.. therefore the only real question is the offense, which with a 4 year starter under ...i mean 4 yards behind center, and besides the right gaurd there should be continuty starting to evolve within the line and an embarrassment of talent at every single skill position not to mention an offensive coordinator who made indiana and all of their 2 and 3 star players combine to be one of the best most potent offenses in the big ten the past 4 years.... but in todays landscape it is extremely difficult to put together an A game for 12 weeks during the regular season.. regardless a loss to OU or Iowa should still put ohio state in theB1G title game. a loss to TTUN will surely derail that though. i will have a little coin on an ohio state future

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Posted: 3/27/2017 1:37:10 AM
after ohio state had to face 3 straight teams coming off of a bye week, 2 of which were on the road in wisky and happy valley back to back.. talk about brutal, ohio state faces no B1G team coming off of a bye week in 2017 (UNLV) another added scheduling bonus
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Posted: 3/27/2017 8:30:35 AM
Good stuff Trader...real good!

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Posted: 3/27/2017 3:37:01 PM
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Posted: 3/27/2017 7:35:25 PM
I just hope the passing game woes were in the play calling and not the execution.  It was really bad down the stretch and had to take some confidence away from Barrett.  
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Posted: 3/27/2017 9:29:32 PM
Yes, they'll have a legit chance.  I think Alabama and Ohio State are the #1 & #2 power rated teams going into this year with a bit of a margin between those two and the rest of the pack.  Last week I took OSU +775 to win the title.  Seeing +675 now.
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Posted: 3/27/2017 9:36:33 PM
TD, I like your bet.  Took a different approach with some friends down here in Alabama....but if the Buckeyes win....might buy me a new tractor.

GL Bud.

Sidenote:  I had Bama last year.  Close and close didn't pay me a penny.  FUN through!
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Posted: 3/27/2017 9:37:37 PM
TD, I like your bet.  Took a different approach with some friends down here in Alabama....but if the Buckeyes win....might buy me a new tractor.

GL Bud.

Sidenote:  I had Bama last year.  Close and close didn't pay me a penny.  FUN through!
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Posted: 3/27/2017 9:49:25 PM
Gardenpeas....sorry guys, I hate these duplicates.

Not sure why it's happening.  I'll learn for sure!
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Posted: 3/27/2017 9:52:58 PM
[Quote: Originally Posted by WalterTibbs]
TD, I like your bet.  Took a different approach with some friends down here in Alabama....but if the Buckeyes win....might buy me a new tractor.

GL Bud.

Sidenote:  I had Bama last year.  Close and close didn't pay me a penny.  FUN through!
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what was the number you got on bama in 2016? preseason title odds? was a hedge even a possibilit??. that game was a heartbreaker
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Posted: 3/30/2017 6:12:16 PM
The Las Vegas Westgate Superbook has offered odds to win this years national championship.

Westgate has Alabama at 7-2, Florida State 7-1 and Ohio State, USC and Oklahoma at 8-1.

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Posted: 4/1/2017 10:30:08 PM
wilson is no longer at Indiana.  I think they promoted a top assistant.  I agree with your assessment.  Meyer commented on IU's improved D.   Bloomington not really a big home field.   30-0 has to sting...OSU lost some key folks in the secondary, but they should reload.  RB DEvine and AA Tackle (and 1st round draft pick) are gone.  Think the spread will be about -19.     Like the buckeyes by 24+.   In addition, with OU on deck, they won't have the luxury of ramping up, and even playing their subs in the 4th quarter, even if it gets out of hand.   
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Posted: 4/1/2017 10:32:02 PM
do you think the OU v. OSU will be a night game in the shoe...what is OSU's record ATS in that situation.  I know my Horns beat them in 2005 in that scenario.     With Mayfields degenerate arrest, he may have to sit out in week 1 v UTEP either the game or a half.  Another advantage for OSU.  
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Posted: 4/2/2017 8:21:53 AM
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do you think the OU v. OSU will be a night game in the shoe...what is OSU's record ATS in that situation.  I know my Horns beat them in 2005 in that scenario.     With Mayfields degenerate arrest, he may have to sit out in week 1 v UTEP either the game or a half.  Another advantage for OSU.  

Longhorn, I don't believe a time has been set for the Oklahoma/Ohio State game.  It will definitely be a featured game on TV.  As for as Mayfield missing playing time in game one...if he does, it won't be more than a half and I doubt that with the Buckeyes on deck. 

Here's an interesting stat for you.  Ohio State is 0-7 against the spread after playing Indiana.  Last year as 10 point favorites on Wisconsin, they won 30-24 failing to cover. 

The Sooners are 7-2 ATS in game two of the season and 9-6 ATS against a non-conference team playing with revenge.  Ohio State smoked Oklahoma last year 45-24.

I will be interested to see the line when it comes out.
 

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The one thing that scares me about Ohio State is so much of their team is based on projecting talent, they're losing their entire secondary, their best Olineman, offensive player, and guys like Noah Brown and Raekwon Mcmillan.  Their Dline is loaded, and Jerome Baker was unbelievable last season, but there's no way I could say they will win the be one of the top teams in the country.  So much depends on JT Barrett, the next wave of young players, and will guys like Mike Weber, Sam Hubbard, Nick Bosa, show significant improvement.  How's their depth?  I know oddsmakers have high hopes for them, so I am assuming they have some beasts about to come up, but it's hard to replace Curtis Samuel, Pat Elfien, Raekwon McMillan, Gareon Conley, Malik Hooker, and Marcus Lattimore... This is the 2nd consecutive year they're losing so many 1 year starters.
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QUOTE Originally Posted by alopez14325:

The one thing that scares me about Ohio State is so much of their team is based on projecting talent, they're losing their entire secondary, their best Olineman, offensive player, and guys like Noah Brown and Raekwon Mcmillan.  Their Dline is loaded, and Jerome Baker was unbelievable last season, but there's no way I could say they will win the be one of the top teams in the country.  So much depends on JT Barrett, the next wave of young players, and will guys like Mike Weber, Sam Hubbard, Nick Bosa, show significant improvement.  How's their depth?  I know oddsmakers have high hopes for them, so I am assuming they have some beasts about to come up, but it's hard to replace Curtis Samuel, Pat Elfien, Raekwon McMillan, Gareon Conley, Malik Hooker, and Marcus Lattimore... This is the 2nd consecutive year they're losing so many 1 year starters.

appreciate your concern, but this is a Meyer/Saban world and its not even close. the depth at EVERY position on the team is incredible, sans possibly Oline.

look for Paris Campbell to break out this year at the H. although hes probably not as dynamic as Curt Samuel was last year, id expect him to not miss a beat. if you follow recruiting this kid was 16 years old when he enrolled as a 4 star out of St Vincent St marys. the jump is large for 18 year olds, let alone 16 year olds. 

Mikey Webber will solidify his draft stock this year and barring injury will be one of the top RBs off the board in the 18 draft. DBs will rotate in like last year as coach coombs has about 5 5 star studs to tinker with on the back end. DLine depth is insane. Nick Bosa is all american caliber and from the coaches talk he is further along than big bro at this time, yet hes not even a starter. 

JT barret finally has a real QB coach and real offensive mind running the offense. Think of 2014 ohio state offense without the slow start. this team should come out of the gates strong. my only hope is they dont run out of steam down the home stretch. this team sets up to be magical. and the last time i said that was around mid september 2014

long story short... columbus isnt banking on unknowns.. they are well aware of what they have. just because you dont know these guys, you will soon enough!
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Posted: 4/12/2017 11:18:17 AM
I believe in Ohio state
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Ohio State has won one Big Ten title in the last seven years yet it is the Saban/Meyer world. Maybe on paper but have not seen it yet. 

Every year another almost, but........2015- "the OC needs to be upstairs and not on the field".........2016-"Penn St got lucky and Clemson.....can't find an excuse for that de-nutting. Maybe it was youth???
2017, ohhh we got a real OC and QB coach now!!!
I'm not buying it. The Big 10 is still weak and OSU should, I say SHOULD, be able to walk right thru it, mayyybe get one more BIG title, that would make two in last eight years. But the playoffs, no wins there unless another Wash. gets in. The South just too strong!

And not with Barrett at the helm. Watched spring game today. Meyer says pre-game, "Barrett is hitting 90% on deep throws" and then I watch Barrett not even attempt one let alone hit one. Burrows is the guy who fits Wilson's offense and speaking of Wilson's O, I never saw it. What I saw was Meyer's offensive and formations. Maybe too early, maybe holding back?
My big question is; How is Wilson, a demanding guy who WAS the guy calling the shots at Ind, going to get along with Meyer if Meyer restricts him. Hmmm.
A lot of talent on that team but so was the 2015 team with all their NFL picks that didn't even win the Big10.
So let the hype train steam along, I'm looking elsewhere for next fall's NC.
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QUOTE Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

Ohio State has won one Big Ten title in the last seven years yet it is the Saban/Meyer world. Maybe on paper but have not seen it yet. 

Every year another almost, but........2015- "the OC needs to be upstairs and not on the field".........2016-"Penn St got lucky and Clemson.....can't find an excuse for that de-nutting. Maybe it was youth???
2017, ohhh we got a real OC and QB coach now!!!
I'm not buying it. The Big 10 is still weak and OSU should, I say SHOULD, be able to walk right thru it, mayyybe get one more BIG title, that would make two in last eight years. But the playoffs, no wins there unless another Wash. gets in. The South just too strong!

And not with Barrett at the helm. Watched spring game today. Meyer says pre-game, "Barrett is hitting 90% on deep throws" and then I watch Barrett not even attempt one let alone hit one. Burrows is the guy who fits Wilson's offense and speaking of Wilson's O, I never saw it. What I saw was Meyer's offensive and formations. Maybe too early, maybe holding back?
My big question is; How is Wilson, a demanding guy who WAS the guy calling the shots at Ind, going to get along with Meyer if Meyer restricts him. Hmmm.
A lot of talent on that team but so was the 2015 team with all their NFL picks that didn't even win the Big10.
So let the hype train steam along, I'm looking elsewhere for next fall's NC.

thank you for the response uniman!! vehemently disagree with your take. i wish you the best of luck this year. apples to oranges comparison urbans win% is a tick over 90% since being the head coach at osu. his recruiting classes speak for themself as do his draft picks. his coordinator choice the past 2 years were poor and that has been cleaned up, and 2015.... that 2015 team would have beat any team on any given day... im pretty sure divine intervention happened against sparty that year. what can u do? that team was sick. neck and neck with 2002 miami. who also didnt win it all. 
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QUOTE Originally Posted by traderjoe13:

Sept. 2 — at Indiana  .. ohio state blowout for multiple reasons 1. beatdown to clemson, mey will not let this team forget getting shutout 2. Wilson will be out for blood against the team that defamated his carachter 3 with one week of prep before a home tilt the the fighting stoops u can bet wilson has the starters sharpening their saw for all 4 quarters

Sept. 9 — Oklahoma 2017 oklahoma will take a step back from last years team. ohio states D will be nasty and their offense will be equally as lethal for the first time since texas tom was whispering in the JT barrets ear line should settle around ohio state -10 depending on how the 2 teams look week 1

Sept. 16 — Army.... W

Sept. 23 — UNLV.... W

Sept. 30 — at Rutgers... Ash is slowly but steadily building a solid team in piscataway, the talent in the area alone would be enough to get them to b a significant B1G challenger... if they were in the west

Oct. 7 — Maryland... see above

Oct. 14 — at Nebraska urbans record the week before a by is impeccable, expect the boys to be ready to put their A game as not to deal with hearing for 2 weeks how they didnt live up to urbans expectations

Oct. 21 — Off

Oct. 28 — Penn State... anyone see the 2016 game in happy valley??? im sure the entire 2016 team will remember it as well. i dont care how much molestation U has upgraded, they outperformed expectations in 2016 and i think the hype train has been drinking a bit too much of the cool aid.

Nov. 4 — at Iowa  Trap game!!  the moon will also be full

Nov. 11 — Michigan State  sparty as a dog is never fun to deal with

Nov. 18 — Illinois  another lookahead spot... with TTUN on deck all itll take is 25 MPH swirling winds and the incarnation of rashard mendenhall and juice williams to lose this game but ive seen it before

Nov. 25 — at Michigan.. rivalry games are never a gimme but captain dipshit fielded the best michigan team in 15 years in 2016 and they still couldnt pull off a W even though it was gift wrapped for them.. makes you wonder if those things are getting well into the heads of wolverine players and coaches. this team will take a significant step in the wrong directon this year and this is a game that would make their season as well as build confidence for 2018 when michigan will finally be in the same stratosphere as ohio state in terms of depth of talent. 

i could easily see an undefeated season, this team is extremely talented The depest defensive line in college football and the dbs may take some time to gel but if you arent buying stock in kerry coombs and his ability to develop NFL starting caliber DBs then you are foolish, the talent to plug and play is there at DB and i see no reason to worry that they are not ready to go by fall.. therefore the only real question is the offense, which with a 4 year starter under ...i mean 4 yards behind center, and besides the right gaurd there should be continuty starting to evolve within the line and an embarrassment of talent at every single skill position not to mention an offensive coordinator who made indiana and all of their 2 and 3 star players combine to be one of the best most potent offenses in the big ten the past 4 years.... but in todays landscape it is extremely difficult to put together an A game for 12 weeks during the regular season.. regardless a loss to OU or Iowa should still put ohio state in theB1G title game. a loss to TTUN will surely derail that though. i will have a little coin on an ohio state future

Better hope cheater urban brings his own refs to ann arbor -No class cheating ohio state your schools a disgrace fixing the game wiyh your own refs  YOU'RE THE DIP garbage
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QUOTE Originally Posted by kammer55:

Better hope cheater urban brings his own refs to ann arbor -No class cheating ohio state your schools a disgrace fixing the game wiyh your own refs  YOU'RE THE DIP garbage


Best of luck to you Kammer!! we are all entitled to our own opinion  
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QUOTE Originally Posted by traderjoe13:


appreciate your concern, but this is a Meyer/Saban world and its not even close. the depth at EVERY position on the team is incredible, sans possibly Oline.

look for Paris Campbell to break out this year at the H. although hes probably not as dynamic as Curt Samuel was last year, id expect him to not miss a beat. if you follow recruiting this kid was 16 years old when he enrolled as a 4 star out of St Vincent St marys. the jump is large for 18 year olds, let alone 16 year olds. 

Mikey Webber will solidify his draft stock this year and barring injury will be one of the top RBs off the board in the 18 draft. DBs will rotate in like last year as coach coombs has about 5 5 star studs to tinker with on the back end. DLine depth is insane. Nick Bosa is all american caliber and from the coaches talk he is further along than big bro at this time, yet hes not even a starter. 

JT barret finally has a real QB coach and real offensive mind running the offense. Think of 2014 ohio state offense without the slow start. this team should come out of the gates strong. my only hope is they dont run out of steam down the home stretch. this team sets up to be magical. and the last time i said that was around mid september 2014

long story short... columbus isnt banking on unknowns.. they are well aware of what they have. just because you dont know these guys, you will soon enough!

Yea I know that Ohio State is loaded with 5 star prospects, and I understand why they're the favorite to win the Big 10, but I personally dont like taking a team that is replacing so many NFL players with guys that have never played a snap in CFB.

Ultimately I think Ohio State will be a very good team, and they could undoubtedly win the National Championship. I just dont like betting on freshman who have never played in a college football game, regardless of their ranking coming out of high school. I do expect Ohio State to make a run at the CFB playoffs, because they are returning starters at the most important positions.  Obviously Ohio State has to replace 3 elite DB's and a very good LB, but they might be returning the best front 7 in the nation.  Offensively, they are returning a 3 year starter at QB, who has looked like a great college QB at points in his career.  Barrett will have the comfort of the Big 10 Newcomer of the year, RB Mike Weber, and one of the best offensive lines in CFB.  They're returning 4 of 5 starters on the Offensive Line, and Center Billy Price and Tackle Jamarco Jones are both projected 1st round picks.  

I think the Buckeye's will go as far as JT Barrett and Urban Meyer will take them.  I thought Brett Venable really out coached Urban in the CFB playoff's last season.  JT Barrett and Ohio State didnt know what the hell hit them.  If the new Offensive Coordinator is able to get JT Barrett to play like he did in 2014, they will be a very tough team to beat.  They have a few tough games that could keep them out of the playoff, like Oklahoma, @ Iowa, Penn State, @ Michigan, and a possible Big 10 championship vs Wisconsin, but this is no different from any other team.  
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Damn that's a nice little tidbit, I knew who Paris Campbell was, but I didnt reaize he was only 16 years old.  Ohio State have definitely landed the right prospects to replace all the early departures the past two seasons, so they will most likely be able to fill those holes, but when I look at what I expect from a 5 star recruit, a lot really depends on their position, 5 star RB's generally contribute immediately, where as DL/QB might take a year or two. The more I've followed the recruiting process the more I realize these recruiting services have no clue what they're talking about. Usually 5 star players turn out to be good, but a lot of the best players seem to be former 2-3 star recruits, like Malik Hooker last year.
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Anyone notice that Michigan must REPLACE 10 starters on defense?

Just saying...............................
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