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Posted: 2/19/2013 11:51:43 PM
The only force strong enuff to take down the SEC is now in the works of uprising a Army that can take them down...The only man capable of doing this type of historical feet is Urban ... He will get his revenge and take down the SEC very soon...Since, Nick Saban put a beatdown on him it has been the only thing on his mind...He has been dwelling on the moment since that day and, he is in the process ... Ohio St will soon be the Giant killers as they did to the U...Trust me judgement day is coming this season.........
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Posted: 2/20/2013 12:24:10 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by the_underdog:

The only force strong enuff to take down the SEC is now in the works of uprising a Army that can take them down...The only man capable of doing this type of historical feet is Urban ... He will get his revenge and take down the SEC very soon...Since, Nick Saban put a beatdown on him it has been the only thing on his mind...He has been dwelling on the moment since that day and, he is in the process ... Ohio St will soon be the Giant killers as they did to the U...Trust me judgement day is coming this season.........


I think the best chance to dethrone the SEC is for teams to knock each other off in conference play thereby excluding them from the title game altogether.  The only other way is to consistently recruit at a SEC level.  As long as the SEC continues to attract the best players, it'll be difficult to knock them off their throne.

I agree that because of Urban's recruiting prowess he has a legitimate shot, but I still think it's a rather long one as long as he runs the same offense he ran in the SEC.  Defensive coordinators in the SEC solved his offensive as the years went by.  His last year in the league his offense could barely score at all - even against perennial SEC cellar dwellers.

To beat the SEC in a championship game, he will need to do what no other team has been able to o so far, and that is match-up physically in the trenches.  That's a pretty tall task, but can be done IMO.


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Jimmy Lets face it u and i and the rest of the cappers know even if they hate to admit it that the SEC is the best by far and for sooo many reasons... I can go on and on about how they have the better players, they are bigger and stronger upfont, they are too fast, great coaches, ect....I just know that if someone is going to beat a SEC team...The best man for it and prolly only man would be Urban..Now Ohio ST might not be their yet upfront but, they are getting the speed.... Urban not got some guys out of Flordia and a few from Texas, granted mostly skill players so might not do much in the trenches, but Shazier and Roby are bigtime the signed V.bell and E. Apple to help out Roby in the Secondary both sre tall conerbacks..then signed M.Mitchell out of TX to help the beast Shazier at linebacker ...Once again as you pointed out the front four will be the big Question... on Offense they had problems with the running backs they go out and get Ezekiel out of Mizzu a vht RB , although Urban promised him they wouldnt draft another RB ... Urban  couldnt resist the oregon decommit Dontre Wilson out of TX....Next he goes out and gets the Juco C. Smith out of Miss to help the WR unit that i think will have a big year...Once again tho as u pointed out the o-line isnt a Sec type of o-line...That is the reason why Oregon would never beat a SEC team they get demolished upfront....I think Urban will get to the bottom out it and be the man ... If he cant NOONE will beat the SEC in the biggame....Do you agree on that sir?

I also firmly believe that Georgia will be too much for anyone offensively this season...They return record setter Murry, and mammoth 5 exp o-lineman, 2 sick Running backs and WR mitchell,Mikey B, Conley, Wooten, Track star welsey, 2 great TE's Jay Rome and Aurther Lynch......... Defense will be bad but, heck last year was bad as well

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Posted: 2/20/2013 2:27:37 AM
Sec is sooo nasty tho Bama, Georgia, A&M , Gators, Lsu could all be in the top 10  with The cocks and maybe vandy or ole miss in the bottom half of the top 20...  No less the 7 teams in the top 20 imo
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With no playoff, there was always a chance that the SEC would all beat each other 2 times and not have a team in the BCS.  Now, the SEC is almost guaranteed 2 teams out of the 4, so their chances to win the BCS are better than ever.

IMO, Ohio St is the #1 contender and no one else is that close.  And Ohio St probably won't contend for another few years when Urban has all his recruits in place.
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Posted: 3/23/2013 1:04:43 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by the_underdog:

Jimmy Lets face it u and i and the rest of the cappers know even if they hate to admit it that the SEC is the best by far and for sooo many reasons... I can go on and on about how they have the better players, they are bigger and stronger upfont, they are too fast, great coaches, ect....I just know that if someone is going to beat a SEC team...The best man for it and prolly only man would be Urban..Now Ohio ST might not be their yet upfront but, they are getting the speed.... Urban not got some guys out of Flordia and a few from Texas, granted mostly skill players so might not do much in the trenches, but Shazier and Roby are bigtime the signed V.bell and E. Apple to help out Roby in the Secondary both sre tall conerbacks..then signed M.Mitchell out of TX to help the beast Shazier at linebacker ...Once again as you pointed out the front four will be the big Question... on Offense they had problems with the running backs they go out and get Ezekiel out of Mizzu a vht RB , although Urban promised him they wouldnt draft another RB ... Urban  couldnt resist the oregon decommit Dontre Wilson out of TX....Next he goes out and gets the Juco C. Smith out of Miss to help the WR unit that i think will have a big year...Once again tho as u pointed out the o-line isnt a Sec type of o-line...That is the reason why Oregon would never beat a SEC team they get demolished upfront....I think Urban will get to the bottom out it and be the man ... If he cant NOONE will beat the SEC in the biggame....Do you agree on that sir?

I also firmly believe that Georgia will be too much for anyone offensively this season...They return record setter Murry, and mammoth 5 exp o-lineman, 2 sick Running backs and WR mitchell,Mikey B, Conley, Wooten, Track star welsey, 2 great TE's Jay Rome and Aurther Lynch......... Defense will be bad but, heck last year was bad as well



Like I said above, I think the best chance to knock off the SEC is to prevent them from getting into the game in first place.  That has come close to happening the past two seasons.  There are, however, two problems with this as I see it.

The first is that Alabama has an extremely favorable schedule this season so it'll difficult to imagine them losing a game.  Yes, A&M in College Station is going to be tough, but I think there is almost no shot they lose that game.  Ole Miss and LSU will put up good fights as well, but I don't see either of them winning outright.  So for Alabama, I see it coming down to the SEC Championship Game again.  If they get past that, I don't see anyone in the country beating Saban with 6 weeks to prepare.  In other words, I think a SEC team will be in the national championship game again, and will probably win it again.

With a 4-team playoff coming in 2014, there is no shot that one of the 4 teams won't be from the SEC, so again it'll be difficult to keep the SEC out of it.

If you can't keep the SEC out of the game, the next question is who can beat them.  As you pointed out Meyer may be the most likely person to do it.  The good thing about Meyer is he has coached in the SEC and knows what it takes to win the SEC.  The problem with Meyer is that the offense he was running in the SEC is not going to work against top SEC teams anymore, and he knows it.  That's why he bailed.  So for me it'll be interesting to see what he does with the offense over the next few seasons.  What kind of players is he recruiting, and what will his offensive philosophy.be.  Is he going to continue to rely on his quarterback to carry the running game???

Outside of Meyer and Ohio State, who else poses a threat???  Florida State???  Clemson???  Michigan maybe???  Maybe a sleeper team like Baylor???  I don't see anyone out west being a legitimate threat as long as the boy blunder is at USC.  UCLA maybe???  Stanford is tough, and I have tremendous respect for their coach, but their overall talent level can't come close to matching up with a top-tier SEC team.

I concede that it is not impossible for someone like a Meyer coached Ohio State team to knock off the SEC, I just don't think it's very likely, at least not this season.  I actually think it would be good for college football if it happened.  I just hope my money won't be on the wrong side if it does.


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Posted: 3/23/2013 1:18:01 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by thorpe:

With no playoff, there was always a chance that the SEC would all beat each other 2 times and not have a team in the BCS.  Now, the SEC is almost guaranteed 2 teams out of the 4, so their chances to win the BCS are better than ever.

IMO, Ohio St is the #1 contender and no one else is that close.  And Ohio St probably won't contend for another few years when Urban has all his recruits in place.


Florida State continues to recruit at the pace of a top-tier SEC team.  If QB Jameis Winston turns out to be as good as I think he will, the Seminoles could be a very dangerous team.  Clemson is another team the has been consistently recruiting at a high level, so I don't think you can automatically discount them either.  Although they clearly should have lost to LSU, you have to give them a lot of credit for playing an extraordinary game.  They definitely showed in the bowl game against LSU that with high level QB play, they can hang with anyone in the country.

I think UCLA will be a huge benefactor of USC free falling under the auspices of the boy blunder,  They have a solid head coach, but I think they're still a few recruiting classes away from hanging with the big boys.  I definitely think that is an up and coming program though.

 


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Posted: 3/23/2013 9:56:57 AM
Some team may slip in and win a title here and there....

BUT...SEC dominance will not come to an 'end'.....anytime soon

To understand WHY.....you have to understand how it came to pass in the 1st place...

Tons of contributing factors...but in general football simply means more in the south....and they have greater resources....TALENT....as well as money
  *the money is there with the long-term TV deals and attendance...and ya' think the south will stop caring about football so much and shift their interests elsewhere?....do ya' think the talent...will all of a sudden decide to play far away from home?.....NOPE

The fastest way.......and it WILL happen someday
  *is for a POPULAR....and well respected athlete (unlike Maurice Clarett) to challenge the NFL's early entry rule.....like that Johnny Football....it wouldn't be overnight ....as the SEC would continue to get the better players....but it would level the competition field considerably..............

   

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Posted: 3/23/2013 2:53:47 PM
I was remiss in not mentioning Notre Dame.  I think that is a program that's definitely on the rise.


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I think Stanford will be a team to consider as well.
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QUOTE Originally Posted by WISEGUY36:

I think Stanford will be a team to consider as well.


Great coach, but the talent level is no where close to the college football elite.  Their latest recruiting class checked in at #63 in the nation.  You can't compete for national titles recruiting at that level.


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Great coach, but the talent level is no where close to the college football elite.  Their latest recruiting class checked in at #63 in the nation.  You can't compete for national titles recruiting at that level.




Jimmy, Over the past 5 years at Stanford, the talent level has
seen steady improvement, and during Harbaugh's tenure they
have added the element of physicality in their play as well as
team speed.While Stanford's recruiting class rankings mat be
in the middle of the pack, the results they've achieved by
recruiting physical, but intelligent and disciplined athletes has
proven to be a strategy that is working for them.If they get solid
play at the QB position, I think they''ll win the PAC12 and that
could put them in contention for a national title.
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Hey Wiseguy ur on alot of major drugs if u think Stanford will ever compete for a title....Jimmy will even tell u if Stanford was in the SEC east they would be behind Georgia, Flordia and S.Carolina...If the Were in the West,,,,, Bama and LSU , so the arent even in the top 5 in the SEC..... so man just ask jimmy u are delusional.
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I think the best chance to dethrone the SEC is for teams to knock each other off in conference play thereby excluding them from the title game altogether.  The only other way is to consistently recruit at a SEC level.  As long as the SEC continues to attract the best players, it'll be difficult to knock them off their throne.

I agree that because of Urban's recruiting prowess he has a legitimate shot, but I still think it's a rather long one as long as he runs the same offense he ran in the SEC.  Defensive coordinators in the SEC solved his offensive as the years went by.  His last year in the league his offense could barely score at all - even against perennial SEC cellar dwellers.

To beat the SEC in a championship game, he will need to do what no other team has been able to o so far, and that is match-up physically in the trenches.  That's a pretty tall task, but can be done IMO.


 

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QUOTE Originally Posted by originator:

Hey Wiseguy ur on alot of major drugs if u think Stanford will ever compete for a title....Jimmy will even tell u if Stanford was in the SEC east they would be behind Georgia, Flordia and S.Carolina...If the Were in the West,,,,, Bama and LSU , so the arent even in the top 5 in the SEC..... so man just ask jimmy u are delusional.



I think Jimmy is quite eloquent and knowledgeable about
college football, and quite capable of speaking for himself.
I did not realize ventriloquism was one of his many skills.
Try spelling that one , dummy.
You are missing the point.Tennessee and Auburn, once formidable
football powers have been relegated to second class programs
not because of their talent, or access to talent .They are where
they are because they did not hire coaches who were capable to
harness that talent into and efficient football team.
LSU while perpetually scoring high marks for recruiting, have
have become chronic underachievers, not because of lack of
talent, but because of lack of coaching.
Georgia , for want of a solid defensive coordinator, might have 3
national championships by now.
South Carolina, also has a wealth of talent, but can't seem to win
" big games" on a consistent basis.
This is not a knock on the SEC as they are still the class of
college football , but the SEC continues to lose assistants to
other programs. As long as Nick Saban assistants move on to
other programs, you will see those programs improving , while
the SEC beats each other up.
To put in in a context you might understand, the difference
between Bama and Tennessee had more to do with coaching
than talent.I believe good coaches and programs will lure top
quality talent who desire to play at the next level , and those
coaches / programs will not necessarily all be in the SEC
5 years from now.


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Urban Meyer got out of the SEC to give him a better chance to play for a National Championship..if he couldnt beat Saban in Gainesville consistenly he damn sure wont do it in Columbus...The best offensive mind in football is back on the plains.After a 3peat in 2013 w Saban s best team ever its gonna be great taking Bama in game 2 of 2014 season in either Pasadena or Nola..hopefully Dallas and the momentum will be switched...3 yrs away..Jimmy u have lost ur mind...WAR dAMN EAGLE
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QUOTE Originally Posted by originator:

Hey Wiseguy ur on alot of major drugs if u think Stanford will ever compete for a title....Jimmy will even tell u if Stanford was in the SEC east they would be behind Georgia, Flordia and S.Carolina...If the Were in the West,,,,, Bama and LSU , so the arent even in the top 5 in the SEC..... so man just ask jimmy u are delusional.



Originator , Sorry for calling you a dummy. I don't use drugs and
I'm not delusional ( this week ) .

I want to mention a team that in 2011 , played in the Big 12 ,
They had a record of  7 -6 that year.
They had a reputation of playing well for a half, then folding.
They had not beaten Mizzou in 3 straight games.

THEY DECIDED TO GO IN A NEW DIRECTION

1. They switched conferences and joined the SEC.
2.  They replaced their coaching staff.
3. They upgraded their Strength and Conditioning program.
4. They started a "pint sized " rs freshman at Quarterback.


THEY WENT OUT AND BEAT THE 2012 NATIONAL CHAMPION

very average Texas A & M team accomplished that.
Same players, different result. It can happen again in
the future. It is more likely to happen if SEC teams take
their opponents too lightly.
Other conferences are getting larger to capture lucrative
TV markets in an effort to achieve parity. This will continue.
X's and O's coaches with an attention to detail who hold their
players , coordinators, and position coaches accountable will
ultimately succeed
I mentioned LSU in my earlier statement . They are not as
efficient offensively as they have been in the past. You can
see this in their margin of victory over lesser opponents. I
know they hired Cam Cameron, but he's not out on the field
trying to read defenses. Les Miles lost one national title
by sticking with the wrong QB.

Success in College football comes from the following.
1. Good players with a desire to get better.
2. Proper strength and conditioning.
3. Proper mental preparation
4. A good , well defined game plan.
5. The ability to adjust.
6. Good decision making by players and coaches.

None of those items are specific to the SEC , although the
talent edge definitely is in the SEC. As other conferences
get larger TV deals, I believe that talent edge will shift
somewhat to other conferences for offers of playing time
and other promotional purposes.

Hope that makes my point a little more clear.

Looking forward to August. Good Luck till then.







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Like I said above, I think the best chance to knock off the SEC is to prevent them from getting into the game in first place.  That has come close to happening the past two seasons.  There are, however, two problems with this as I see it.

The first is that Alabama has an extremely favorable schedule this season so it'll difficult to imagine them losing a game.  Yes, A&M in College Station is going to be tough, but I think there is almost no shot they lose that game.  Ole Miss and LSU will put up good fights as well, but I don't see either of them winning outright.  So for Alabama, I see it coming down to the SEC Championship Game again.  If they get past that, I don't see anyone in the country beating Saban with 6 weeks to prepare.  In other words, I think a SEC team will be in the national championship game again, and will probably win it again.

With a 4-team playoff coming in 2014, there is no shot that one of the 4 teams won't be from the SEC, so again it'll be difficult to keep the SEC out of it.

If you can't keep the SEC out of the game, the next question is who can beat them.  As you pointed out Meyer may be the most likely person to do it.  The good thing about Meyer is he has coached in the SEC and knows what it takes to win the SEC.  The problem with Meyer is that the offense he was running in the SEC is not going to work against top SEC teams anymore, and he knows it.  That's why he bailed.  So for me it'll be interesting to see what he does with the offense over the next few seasons.  What kind of players is he recruiting, and what will his offensive philosophy.be.  Is he going to continue to rely on his quarterback to carry the running game???

Outside of Meyer and Ohio State, who else poses a threat???  Florida State???  Clemson???  Michigan maybe???  Maybe a sleeper team like Baylor???  I don't see anyone out west being a legitimate threat as long as the boy blunder is at USC.  UCLA maybe???  Stanford is tough, and I have tremendous respect for their coach, but their overall talent level can't come close to matching up with a top-tier SEC team.

I concede that it is not impossible for someone like a Meyer coached Ohio State team to knock off the SEC, I just don't think it's very likely, at least not this season.  I actually think it would be good for college football if it happened.  I just hope my money won't be on the wrong side if it does.




you can't mention all these Pac 12 teams without mentioning Oregon.  they own the league.  they have the best players.  the best system.  they know how to win games.
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Texas A&M beat an Alabama team who just came off a huge win in Baton Rouge..They were drained.U add Yeldon laying an egg along with Johnny Football playing the game of his life thats why Tx A&M won..believe me I about puked when people were saying Alabama could beat some pro teams.I do think Sumlin has it going on in College Station and if I was an Aggie fan Id be REAL EXCITED.Its a shame they lost to Florida otherwise they probably wouldve been National Champs.Id love to see them beat Bama next year ,but I just dont see it happening.I certainly dont see the SEC getting knocked off in 2013.I think this is Saban's best team he has ever had@Bama or LSU..I think Bama.TxA&M,Georgia,Florida or even OleMIss or LSU could win it all.Ohio State will be good..possibly undefeated again but I dont think they can beat any of those SEC teams just mentioned.I agree with Jimmy if Winston can become a playmaker FSU could be there along with Clemson.Florida@Miami Sept.7th will be interesting.Im just not a big Jimbo Fisher fan and I about had a stroke when I heard how hard Auburn was whooing him.Im a 3rd generation Auburn Alum and Im VERY EXCITED about Gus Malzahn who I underrated.I think he is the best offensive mind in college football.I think Auburn will win 9 or 10 games this year...3 losses if I had to predict now..Bama,Aggies& either Ga or Ole Miss,,I always said Ole Miss would never beat Auburn 2 consec years in my lifetime..Im sticking to it..It will be interesting to see how Notre Dame plays in the 2013 season.I dont like how BK interviewed for NFL ,but it is what it is.Alabama is the luckiest team in history when it comes to other teams losing to get them in the National Title,but give credit where credit is due.Ive been watching college football since 1978..Bama is 6-0 in National Title games and the closest one was 1978 PennState 14-7 victory which the they dominated.19.79==24-9 I believe over Lou Holtz Ark team( Bear's last title).1992 Shellacking of Miami 31 to 13..I might be a lil off but Bama spanked the U( 7 point favs )who went from Oct 1990 to Jan 1993 without losing a game then 2009 finally beat Texas in a route then 21 -0 to LSU IN 2011( LSU couldnt have scored if they played 14 quarters ) then last year's 42-14 whooping over Notre Dame that couldve been EASILY 66 -0..I know Texas A&M likes to talk SMACK but really Yeldon flat gave that game away.Another thing ID like to mention is Yeldon is Bo Jackson,Barry Saunders,Hershel Walker good.That studder step he has is just nasty.On the flip side,how does one not like JOHNNY FOOTBALL..BEST NICKNAME IN CFB HISTORY,1st Frosh to win Heisman,best scrambler Ive ever seen,his accuracy isnt talked about like MJ s outside shooting..he s cocky,full of life,smoking girlfriend,partier..he is like having Cam Newton for 2 to 3 seasons.BTW,i think since his folks are millionaires he will give us at least 2 more yrs..maybe 3.My guess is that Saban will have his def lineman chasing chickens all summer..Last year s AL/LSU...AL/TXA&M..AL/GA were the games of the year..Michigan/Wisky was good along with Bowl Scar/Mich were great games too.I look for AL/TXA&M Winner to play either OhioST or FSU/Clemson winner for National Title although I wouldnt forget about  the Gators or maybe Stanford.That was a great point Jimmy made with Stanford being 63rd in recruiting.I do think PennState will win its case and be off of probation,,If thry are its ON.
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Posted: 3/27/2013 6:51:22 PM
The best teams outside the SEC the last few years have been Oregon,Stanford,OklaST,FSU,Clemson,OhioState,Michigan...I just dont see any of those teams dethroning an SEC team unless the SEC beats each other up.The good news is starting 2014 Saban wont have a month to prepare for the National Title...but the Rich keep getting RICHER@Tuscaloosa with #1 recruiting classes.
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Posted: 3/30/2013 7:39:21 PM
Roll Tide........
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