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Author:	[College Football] Topic: If Manti Te'o didnt play for Notre Dame.......
TRAIN69	RSI View Space \| Blog \| Friends \| Playbook \| My Sportsbook: BetOnline.ag \|
Legend Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 30037 Location: Missouri	#1 Posted: 12/7/2012 2:33:42 AM A) He wouldn't be in the Heisman race B) You wouldn't know his name C) He might get drafted in the 4th round or lower I'm not saying he isnt a good football player. But this is just ludicrous. There are literally a dozen guys I would draft at his position before even giving him consideration. For a defensive player to win it they gotta be a game changer.....see Charles Woodson. Just electric (returning kicks doesnt hurt resume)..... If K St had beaten Baylor, Collin Klein wins this award easily. He lost late in the season and Manziel lost 2 games earlier..... This award has already been given to Johnny Fooseball, they are just waiting for the ceremony.
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Veteran Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 1304 Location:	#2 Posted: 12/7/2012 2:38:54 AM Notre Dame is no different than Duke, remember Jay Williams (not to beat someone who had sad ending to his career) who ESPN (person) promoted for player of year from day 1. Te'o is no different, his drive is special and Dames numbers are quite impressive defensively against a strong schedule so.......
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tankstevens	RSI View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \| My Sportsbook: Pinnacle Sports \|
Veteran Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 3011 Location: Christmas Islands	#3 Posted: 12/7/2012 2:39:16 AM agree, but look out for those blinded by the hype, they will be coming for u
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Veteran Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 1304 Location:	#4 Posted: 12/7/2012 2:39:44 AM should say: ESPN (Vitale). Covers doesn't allow the word the rhymes with remus it seems.
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Prospect Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 94 Location:	#5 Posted: 12/7/2012 2:52:23 AM How would anyone know him if he never played for Notre Dame? I mean it's not like he was the number 1 overall prospect coming out of high school. Just like that scrub Anthony Davis, if he hadn't gone to Kentucky no one would know who he was either.
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Captain Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 7850 Location: Ohio	#6 Posted: 12/7/2012 3:13:25 AM
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Prospect Joined: Sep 2012 Posts: 212 Location: Ohio	#7 Posted: 12/7/2012 7:19:43 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by TaceroTacobell: How would anyone know him if he never played for Notre Dame? I mean it's not like he was the number 1 overall prospect coming out of high school. Just like that scrub Anthony Davis, if he hadn't gone to Kentucky no one would know who he was either. his reasoning for the argument is that if you put mantis stats up against other premier linebackers in the country his numbers arent nearly as good, nor does he translate as well to the nfl as other linebackers that are ready to leave for the nfl. he is a good player on an undefeated team that just happens to be called notre dame. not taking anything away from manti and his season, i just see better options for heisman, and (if you are an NFL owner) better options to draft in the first 3 rounds....
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DoubleUp4Life	RSI View Space \| Blog \| Friends \| Playbook \| My Sportsbook: 5Dimes \|
Legend Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 30645 Location: New York	#8 Posted: 12/7/2012 7:49:57 AM What PS Number recruit was He ?????
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Veteran Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 1455 Location: Louisiana	#9 Posted: 12/7/2012 9:19:17 AM Train- You hit it right on the head. Great character and very good football player but no way does he deserve the Heisman. Manziel was the best player this year. I don't care what people think about him. So what if he is a freshman. Nobody else stepped up. Funny about how everyone complains about the SEC bias conspiracy theory stuff yet I never here the same things said about Notre Dame. Since the BCS came out there has been some SEC bias but there has been Notre Dame bias in college football forever!!! NBC contract for the Irish so that they are shown every single week on national TV. Makes me sick.
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MoPinkie	View Space \| Blog \| Friends \| Playbook \| My Sportsbook: BookMaker \|
Veteran Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 1445 Location: Illinois	#10 Posted: 12/7/2012 9:29:21 AM C'MON MAN.....I agree with you most of the time but completely disagree with you on this bold statement:) it's not like I'm never wrong but the speed, athleticism, and from what I hear his high football I.Q...his projected draft status is warranted...many said same about Sean Lee....Teo has lived up to his billing as one of the best high school recruits ever and thrived since a freshman... He'll put on 15-20lbs of muscle...I believe we won't see his max potential for a few years....but
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yomh1964	RSI View Space \| Blog \| Friends \| Playbook \| My Sportsbook: Pinnacle Sports \|
Rookie Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 596 Location: Quebec	#11 Posted: 12/7/2012 10:56:23 AM on the target on this one(bcs sometime "/"/$%%$?&0) lol ,somes players bama-georgia-s.caro are = than teo,but johnny football is alone for heisman,better stat than klein (except when he kiss ground),johnny be gooooooooooooood,good post .
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Veteran Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 2020 Location: Georgia	#12 Posted: 12/7/2012 11:03:31 AM Jarvis jones would eat him for lunch
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Veteran Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 4725 Location: Michigan	#13 Posted: 12/7/2012 11:11:21 AM I think TRAIN's point is that Teo is a great LB, but we see about a dozen LB's every season that are similar to him. BUT, he plays for Notre Dame. Notre Dame has been revived and finished undefeated and is playing in the BCSNC. Teo has overcome tragedy this season. Teo was all over ESPN the night ND played Kentucky in b-ball. He has been hyped up due to being at Notre Dame, not because he is this tremendous defensive player.
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4theluvofmoney	View Space \| Blog \| Friends \| Playbook \| My Sportsbook: 5Dimes \|
Veteran Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 3041 Location: Turks and Caicos Islands	#14 Posted: 12/7/2012 11:12:06 AM this guy is a top 10 nfl draft pick and a helluva football player. I dislike ND naturally, but this kid is good. As far as Heisman, more of a testament to how uninspiring any other candidates have been rather than how defecient Teo has been. dude is probably as close to Junior Seau as you will ever seem and most would say that if he decided to go there instead of ND. You want overrated? Look at Matt Barkley, Robert Woods and company.
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4theluvofmoney	View Space \| Blog \| Friends \| Playbook \| My Sportsbook: 5Dimes \|
Veteran Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 3041 Location: Turks and Caicos Islands	#15 Posted: 12/7/2012 11:13:42 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by bense197969: I think TRAIN's point is that Teo is a great LB, but we see about a dozen LB's every season that are similar to him. BUT, he plays for Notre Dame. Notre Dame has been revived and finished undefeated and is playing in the BCSNC. Teo has overcome tragedy this season. Teo was all over ESPN the night ND played Kentucky in b-ball. He has been hyped up due to being at Notre Dame, not because he is this tremendous defensive player. what he said is Teo would not be better than a FOURTH round pick and that is laugable to anyone with a clue of football evaluation. I love Train, but have to disagree 100% here.
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Veteran Joined: May 2011 Posts: 1721 Location: United States	#16 Posted: 12/7/2012 11:24:25 AM We probable would hear his name cause he was going to go to USC and USC has produce some good defensive players.
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MVP Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 18513 Location: Nevada	#17 Posted: 12/7/2012 11:29:53 AM The two good RBs he faced this year ran all over him Taylor(Stan), Graham(Pitt) ran for 172
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Rookie Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 624 Location:	#18 Posted: 12/7/2012 1:21:51 PM In Response to Train. A) Maybe would depend on stats on how is D is doing. B) He would be killing it at USC instead so people would probably know his name C) Kids a great Football player you're just going to have to get over your ND hate and deal with it.
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Rookie Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 624 Location:	#19 Posted: 12/7/2012 1:39:29 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by traderjoe13: his reasoning for the argument is that if you put mantis stats up against other premier linebackers in the country his numbers arent nearly as good, nor does he translate as well to the nfl as other linebackers that are ready to leave for the nfl. he is a good player on an undefeated team that just happens to be called notre dame. not taking anything away from manti and his season, i just see better options for heisman, and (if you are an NFL owner) better options to draft in the first 3 rounds.... Defensive cpt on only undefeated team in country who leads team in tackles and has most turnovers in FBS. This guy sucks.
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BLOODandTHUNDER	View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Rookie Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 624 Location:	#20 Posted: 12/7/2012 1:40:50 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by Zoot: The two good RBs he faced this year ran all over him Taylor(Stan), Graham(Pitt) ran for 172 Yes they ran all over him personally, my only recollection of Taylor was getting stonewalled by the Irish defense when it mattered most.
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Hall of Fame Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 24755 Location: Pennsylvania	#21 Posted: 12/7/2012 1:56:23 PM all of the above
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Veteran Joined: May 2006 Posts: 1497 Location: Illinois	#22 Posted: 12/7/2012 3:56:11 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by Pho-20: We probable would hear his name cause he was going to go to USC and USC has produce some good defensive players. i was about to post the same thing he was on Dan Pastrick show recently and said he was all set to go to USC and changed to ND at last second so anyone saying he wouldnt have been known had he not went to ND has obviously no clue
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TRAIN69	RSI View Space \| Blog \| Friends \| Playbook \| My Sportsbook: BetOnline.ag \|
Legend Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 30037 Location: Missouri	#23 Posted: 12/7/2012 6:11:57 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by BLOODandTHUNDER: In Response to Train. A) Maybe would depend on stats on how is D is doing. B) He would be killing it at USC instead so people would probably know his name C) Kids a great Football player you're just going to have to get over your ND hate and deal with it. A) Obviously, unless we are talking about middle of the road big conference team.....then no. B) You are assuming he would be getting playing time. He would have much bettyer compitiion to even get on the field.... C) He is a great football player, never said he wasnt. Never said I hated ND. I was merely stating facts. I dont have to deal with anything because I really dont care.
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MoPinkie	View Space \| Blog \| Friends \| Playbook \| My Sportsbook: BookMaker \|
Veteran Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 1445 Location: Illinois	#24 Posted: 12/7/2012 6:16:36 PM i hear where youre coming from and although i disagree you may be spot on...time will tell and only he will truly determine "what" he is....hope you kick behind this weekend gambling
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TRAIN69	RSI View Space \| Blog \| Friends \| Playbook \| My Sportsbook: BetOnline.ag \|
Legend Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 30037 Location: Missouri	#25 Posted: 12/7/2012 7:52:45 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by MoPinkie: i hear where youre coming from and although i disagree you may be spot on...time will tell and only he will truly determine "what" he is....hope you kick behind this weekend gambling No worries MO
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