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Posted: 12/4/2012 7:19:13 PM

You have the gall to say i don't like the gus malzahn hiring. YOU'RE AUBURN!!! You're right you didn't hit a HR with this hire... you hit a grand slam. If i was an auburn fan i'd be picking up malzahn from the airport and moving his furniture in to his house

What thought you were getting gruden? No coach is good enough for you. terry Bowden wasn't good enough. Tommy Tuberville wasn't good enough. Gene Chizik wasn't good enough. Malzahn won't be good enough. Hell you could you hire Nick Saban and girl at him in 3 years

You Auburn fans have a lot of big hats not a lot of a cattle. Accept your lot in life you're AUBURN not Alabama. Gus Malzahn will win there provided...

1. You people don't run him out like the others

2. He keeps his crazy wife under control

You Auburn fans you make me laugh. Any other school would hire Gus Malzahn and be thrilled you hire Gus Malzahn and he's a bum. I'm not a Bama fan but Roll Damn Tide

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Posted: 12/4/2012 7:39:07 PM
You have no idea what your babbling about.
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really  stichael elaborate i believe i spoke the truth
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What a useless post.  I love Auburn football but it hardly defines my lot in life.  Yeah, and Gruden was never really even brought up. What school are you a fan of?  Just curious.
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user8 i'm a fan of no team. Just the teams i bet on.

welcome to covers user8

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Posted: 12/4/2012 8:22:57 PM

So Jon Gruden is the Holy Grail of college coaches? 

Auburn is a highly coveted job among college coaches. 

The Tigers have a very rich tradition as they have 3 Heisman trophy winners, 2 National Championships, they're 9th in Bowl wins (22), and have 721 alltime wins (13th). They also have the 12th largest stadium in the nation.

 Please,  present your list of NCAA programs that are better jobs. I bet that it will be a short one. 

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I would hardly call Malzahn a " Homerun " an upgrade over Chizik possibly, but definitely not the proven big name I thought they would go after, but with the possibility of future sanctions, a proven guy may have been out of the question.

But your thread is a little overboard

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Posted: 12/4/2012 9:30:24 PM
Packers1992 just posts for shock value. Just ignore and move on
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Posted: 12/4/2012 10:00:41 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by stichael23:

You have no idea what your babbling about.


^^^ This ^^^

Anyone that knows anything about how things are run at Auburn knows this is a status quo hire, which means that there is zero chance any of the problems that are plaguing this program will be remedied.  In fact it means the two biggest cancers of the program will remain.

The problem at Auburn was never Gene Chizik.  The problem was everything around Gene Chizik.  So Auburn replaces Gene Chizik, but leaves in tact the "everything around Gene Chizik" part.

In the preseason Auburn thread in which I predicted a disastrous season for Auburn, I said one of the biggest problems with the program is that Chizik was not in control of the program.

http://www.covers.com/postingforum/post01/showmessage.aspx?spt=33&sub=101396736

He was nothing more than a puppet of the administration - a front-man.  They never let him run the program.  They never let him implement his own coaching philosophy or hire his own coaches.  Although Chizik took all heat for this disastrous season, he might have been the least culpable of all.

If Malzahn is treated (or mistreated) in the same manner as Chizik was, than this is a terrible turn of events for all Auburn fans, not because Malzahn is a bad coach, but because the cancer on the Plains is being allowed to fester.  It is really a shame.  Auburn needed to hire a strong head coach who has absolute control of the program like Saban does at Alabama, and from all outward appearances, that not has occurred.


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Posted: 12/5/2012 1:22:22 AM
Here's a link to a story that somewhat echos what I said above.

Is Gus Malzahn strong enough to change Auburn for the better?

http://mobile.al.com/advstate/db_96767/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=qBN1bwD9&full=true#display


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Alabama's Kirby Smart, who was Pat Dye's first choice, was not hired because:

"His demands included full disclosure of the state of the NCAA’s current look-see at the Auburn program, full control of hiring and firing staffers and the opportunity to coordinate the Alabama defense in the BCS Championship Game against Notre Dame."

That pretty much tells you all you need to know.  The people responsible for Auburn's colossal failure will continue to run the show.


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^^^ This ^^^

Anyone that knows anything about how things are run at Auburn knows this is a status quo hire, which means that there is zero chance any of the problems that are plaguing this program will be remedied.  In fact it means the two biggest cancers of the program will remain.

The problem at Auburn was never Gene Chizik.  The problem was everything around Gene Chizik.  So Auburn replaces Gene Chizik, but leaves in tact the "everything around Gene Chizik" part.

In the preseason Auburn thread in which I predicted a disastrous season for Auburn, I said one of the biggest problems with the program is that Chizik was not in control of the program.

http://www.covers.com/postingforum/post01/showmessage.aspx?spt=33&sub=101396736

He was nothing more than a puppet of the administration - a front-man.  They never let him run the program.  They never let him implement his own coaching philosophy or hire his own coaches.  Although Chizik took all heat for this disastrous season, he might have been the least culpable of all.

If Malzahn is treated (or mistreated) in the same manner as Chizik was, than this is a terrible turn of events for all Auburn fans, not because Malzahn is a bad coach, but because the cancer on the Plains is being allowed to fester.  It is really a shame.  Auburn needed to hire a strong head coach who has absolute control of the program like Saban does at Alabama, and from all outward appearances, that not has occurred.


Respect to you Jimmy and a lot of what you speak of has merit, but i think you are off base on a few things.

1.  Chizik ran his own program freely.  After the BCS in 2010 he let some things slide.  The biggest being the conditioning program and the undermining of SC coach Yoxall.  He also had a falling out with Malzahn.

2.  I don't think Chizik is HC material.  He stepped in at Auburn with Tubberville with an established defense and was successful.  Did the same thing at Texas.  Way too much credit given.  Failure at Iowa State, i understand he inherited a freshman/sophomore team and couldn't do much with that in 2 years.

3.  Contrary to popular belief.  Bobby Lowder, Jimmy Rains and Pat Dye are not the puppet masters anymore.  That ended after jetgate and the bobby petrino fiasco.  Might not have ended, but it's a lot less significant than it was with Tubs or Bowden.  Both of them ran theirselves out.

4.  Yes there is a cancer at Auburn.  It starts with AD Jacobs and he should have been fired along with Chizik.  Jacobs failures extend throughout the entire athletic dept.  The cancer extends with the president and the BOT and none of them know a thing about running a football program or an athletic program.

5.  Saban does not have full control of Alabama!  Mal Moore does, along with a host of wealthy alumni.  Let Saban lose to Malzahn for 4 or 5 years in a row and the rings won't mean anything to them.  They will run him off.  Saban is about to win his 3rd BCS title at bama and he still has to put up with videos of Bear Bryant appearing on the big screen every tv timeout.  Hell, Paul Finebaum is probably about even with Saban on control of the football program.

Auburn is and always will be the red headed step child to Alabama and that's fine with me.  We've owned the series since 1982 and will be just fine.

I wear Auburn colors because i graduated from there.  Most Alabama fans wear the gear because they went to Wal-Mart.

 

 

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Packers just spews horseshit out of his mouth on a daily basis and has 0 idea what he is talking about. 
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Packers just spews horseshit out of his mouth on a daily basis and has 0 idea what he is talking about. 

No he sure doesn't... Auburn is a family.. not that crap you see on TV with the ALL-IN.. that is the easy to speak motto... We are the same as every family, we will tell you what is on our mind and not care if you can handle it.

Gus is going to become a machine there.. He is going to change football on the plains for a long time. I for one can't wait.. Bring me that Oregon style O and toss in some SEC style D and we will run people over... I love SEC football and the people that are not happy with this move are the OLD guard.. Get in the fast lane, grandma, the bingo game's ready to roll!

I like your passion but it is badly misdirected. WAR DAMN EAGLE and for my wife... RTR!!!!!!!

Auburn will be back very soon, and the track meet is coming with us..

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After listening to the above posts from Alabama-Auburn fans I know that A&M is gonna fit in just fine. The SEC has infiltrated the State of Texas and the future will  be quite interesting as I believe the SEC will now step up recruiting in Texas 10 fold. A&M has surprised the whole State with their success this year. Who woulda thunk it? 
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QUOTE Originally Posted by bobelle34:

Respect to you Jimmy and a lot of what you speak of has merit, but i think you are off base on a few things.

1.  Chizik ran his own program freely.  After the BCS in 2010 he let some things slide.  The biggest being the conditioning program and the undermining of SC coach Yoxall.  He also had a falling out with Malzahn.

2.  I don't think Chizik is HC material.  He stepped in at Auburn with Tubberville with an established defense and was successful.  Did the same thing at Texas.  Way too much credit given.  Failure at Iowa State, i understand he inherited a freshman/sophomore team and couldn't do much with that in 2 years.

3.  Contrary to popular belief.  Bobby Lowder, Jimmy Rains and Pat Dye are not the puppet masters anymore.  That ended after jetgate and the bobby petrino fiasco.  Might not have ended, but it's a lot less significant than it was with Tubs or Bowden.  Both of them ran theirselves out.

4.  Yes there is a cancer at Auburn.  It starts with AD Jacobs and he should have been fired along with Chizik.  Jacobs failures extend throughout the entire athletic dept.  The cancer extends with the president and the BOT and none of them know a thing about running a football program or an athletic program.

5.  Saban does not have full control of Alabama!  Mal Moore does, along with a host of wealthy alumni.  Let Saban lose to Malzahn for 4 or 5 years in a row and the rings won't mean anything to them.  They will run him off.  Saban is about to win his 3rd BCS title at bama and he still has to put up with videos of Bear Bryant appearing on the big screen every tv timeout.  Hell, Paul Finebaum is probably about even with Saban on control of the football program.

Auburn is and always will be the red headed step child to Alabama and that's fine with me.  We've owned the series since 1982 and will be just fine.

I wear Auburn colors because i graduated from there.  Most Alabama fans wear the gear because they went to Wal-Mart.

 

1.  Chizik had no control whatsoever over any hires.  That means he was not even allowed to run his own system.  He was forced to run the system of the coaches that were hired for him.  Therefore, I don't even know what Chizik's philosophy is on either side of the ball.  When Chizik wanted to unburden the program of the biggest cancers, he was overruled.  When you run a program in this manner, you undermine the authority of the head coach.  That is exactly why the players didn't respect his authority.  Even the players knew he was a puppet.

2.  I agree that Chizik is not a very good coach.  I said so many times.  That said, it's difficult to get a true measure of his coaching ability given the circumstances that were foisted upon him.

3.  Popular belief is 100% correct, and this hire proved it.  Dye wanted Kirby Smart, but declined to offer him the job when he demanded full control of the program.  Dye will never give up full control as long as he's still tipping up shot glasses.

4.  Jacobs is another puppet.  I doubt he had any input whatsoever on the coaching hire.

5.  Saban has absolute control over football operations at Alabama.  Mal Moore is his boss.

You appear to be the type of Auburn fan who can't come to grips with the reality of the internal turmoil taking place within the program.  I spoke about it at length before the season began (link above).  I described Chizik as a puppet, and the program as being an out-of-control tire fire.  I said the team would be terrible, would begin the season 1 & 4 and would not qualify for a bowl game.

Meanwhile Auburn fans like you who refuse to deal with reality were trying to convince me how they were going to compete for a SEC title.  All the signs the signs that Auburn was a train wreck were there pre-season.  How is it that I was able to see it and the average Auburn fan couldn't???  It's the same thing that afflicts to this day - your warped perception of reality.


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QUOTE Originally Posted by LM5545:

After listening to the above posts from Alabama-Auburn fans I know that A&M is gonna fit in just fine. The SEC has infiltrated the State of Texas and the future will  be quite interesting as I believe the SEC will now step up recruiting in Texas 10 fold. A&M has surprised the whole State with their success this year. Who woulda thunk it? 


I think TAMU has shocked everyone this season. For me they were a complete wildcard heading into the season.  I really didn't know what to expect from them.  With TAMU now being in the SEC, and with what's happening at Texas, TAMU has a great opportunity to own the state of Texas.  They will definitely be a force to be reckoned with in the future.

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I think TAMU has shocked everyone this season. For me they were a complete wildcard heading into the season.  I really didn't know what to expect from them.  With TAMU now being in the SEC, and with what's happening at Texas, TAMU has a great opportunity to own the state of Texas.  They will definitely be a force to be reckoned with in the future.

That is exactly what they wanted .......they have been the step child for 100 years. Now they have the opportunity to overcome the Burnt Orange dominance and in their eyes the envy of all college football fans in Texas. They themselves are just as surprised as anybody. Oh my Gosh....I'm envisioning a cocky Aggie fan now......time to move to Costa Rica.
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That's entirely wrong Jimmy.

The fault of last season was Gene Chizik's and his alone. After the 2010 season Chizik felt slighted that everyone had doubted him and that they were now giving the credit to his players and more importantly his offensive coordinator. He then took it upon himself to change the offensive philosophy of the football team, because of his wounded ego. Malzahn was unhappy with him meddling with how he called his plays and so took a paycut to go coach at Arkansas State, the rest is history.

Kirby Smart wasn't hired because quite frankly, Malzahn interviewed better then he did. If Smart had been hired, Bama fans would've been yelling "he got hired because he's Pat Dye's guy!" Pat Dye wanted him, and we didn't hire him, he even admitted it right after we hired Malzahn so how does that work with your fantasy world that he's running our football program Jimmy? You're smarter then this to be pulled along by the Bama-fans that are obsessed with everything Auburn crowd.
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Auburn is a highly coveted job among college coaches. 

 

What planet do you live on? 

Auburn doesn't even make the top 20.

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QUOTE Originally Posted by bobelle34:

I wear Auburn colors because i graduated from there.  Most Alabama fans wear the gear because they went to Wal-Mart.

You win my prize for one of best one liners ever on Covers

And you didn't even have to call anyone names.... classy, well done

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Of course Chizik deserves some culpability for what happened.  Other than that there is really nothing in your 1st paragraph that has any basis in reality.

Just curious, have your read Chizik's book "All in???"

Kirby Smart was Pat Dye's first choice.  There are 5 or 6 different reliable sources that reported that yesterday.  One of those sources was Kevin Scarbinsky who is a well-connected and very pro-Auburn sports writer in the State of Alabama.  I linked his article above.  Paul Finebaum also tweeted it.  An Auburn friend of mine who is also fairly well connected even posted yesterday morning that Auburn had hired Kirby Smart on his Facebook page.

So two things we can take away from this.  #1 is that, contrary to your assertions above, Pat Dye was the decision maker, and #2 Dye is not willing to release his stranglehold on control of football operation at Auburn.  Both of these things are very bad for the future prospects of Auburn football.  It means business as usual.  It means that all of the people who were responsible for bringing down the program will remain in power.

The good thing about the Malzahn hire is that it will probably salvage Auburn's recruiting class, so that is a huge plus.  As far as Alabama fans are concerned, they are absolutely giddy over the Malzahn hire because they know his hiring poses zero threat to Alabama's dominance in the state.  In short, this hire was a huge win for Alabama fans, and a huge loss for Auburn fans in my opinion.  There is still, however, plenty of time for Malzahn to prove me wrong.



You're not making any sense. You're saying that Dye is the head decision maker, and yet we didn't hire the guy he wanted. Even Harvey Updyke could see the logic that says that if a person is the head decision maker, then wouldn't they make the hire be the person they actually wanted? 

There was a committee. With 4 people on it, and all 4 had to sign off of on it. I don't think of Bo Jackson, Pat Sullivan, and Mac Crawford being guys who get bossed into anything. They all wanted Malzahn after interviewing Smart and Malzahn, because they thought he was the best man for the job. What on earth does Pat Dye have to do with any of this? I swear, the conspiracy theories you Bama fans make up in your own heads are some of the most outlandish I've ever heard. 

That's fine that you're not scared of Malzahn. I don't really care, it has been obvious though from the objective eye that the teams that have given Alabama trouble..are in fact teams like the one Malzahn will build. (Utah, TAMU, Auburn 2010). Even Ole Miss gave Alabama one of it's closest games of the year. 
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Also, thoughts on Malzahn firing all of the staff today? Seems to me he's cleaning house. Early word is Ellis Johnson to be next DC.
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[Quote: Originally Posted by jimmydafreak]

Of course Chizik deserves some culpability for what happened.  Other than that there is really nothing in your 1st paragraph that has any basis in reality.

Just curious, have your read Chizik's book "All in???"

Kirby Smart was Pat Dye's first choice.  There are 5 or 6 different reliable sources that reported that yesterday.  One of those sources was Kevin Scarbinsky who is a well-connected and very pro-Auburn sports writer in the State of Alabama.  I linked his article above.  Paul Finebaum also tweeted it.  An Auburn friend of mine who is also fairly well connected even posted yesterday morning that Auburn had hired Kirby Smart on his Facebook page.

So two things we can take away from this.  #1 is that, contrary to your assertions above, Pat Dye was the decision maker, and #2 Dye is not willing to release his stranglehold on control of football operation at Auburn.  Both of these things are very bad for the future prospects of Auburn football.  It means business as usual.  It means that all of the people who were responsible for bringing down the program will remain in power.

The good thing about the Malzahn hire is that it will probably salvage Auburn's recruiting class, so that is a huge plus.  As far as Alabama fans are concerned, they are absolutely giddy over the Malzahn hire because they know his hiring poses zero threat to Alabama's dominance in the state.  In short, this hire was a huge win for Alabama fans, and a huge loss for Auburn fans in my opinion.  There is still, however, plenty of time for Malzahn to prove me wrong.


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You're not making any sense. You're saying that Dye is the head decision maker, and yet we didn't hire the guy he wanted. Even Harvey Updyke could see the logic that says that if a person is the head decision maker, then wouldn't they make the hire be the person they actually wanted? 

There was a committee. With 4 people on it, and all 4 had to sign off of on it. I don't think of Bo Jackson, Pat Sullivan, and Mac Crawford being guys who get bossed into anything. They all wanted Malzahn after interviewing Smart and Malzahn, because they thought he was the best man for the job. What on earth does Pat Dye have to do with any of this? I swear, the conspiracy theories you Bama fans make up in your own heads are some of the most outlandish I've ever heard. 

That's fine that you're not scared of Malzahn. I don't really care, it has been obvious though from the objective eye that the teams that have given Alabama trouble..are in fact teams like the one Malzahn will build. (Utah, TAMU, Auburn 2010). Even Ole Miss gave Alabama one of it's closest games of the year. 

 

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