How sharp are the "sharps"

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HypoHandi PM HypoHandi
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Posted: 12/3/2012 10:24:40 PM
I watched all the BetDSI videos on the other site for the year and recorded all the notable sharp sides for the year. The end result for Sharps: 31-30.

I'm not a believer in "sharps" although I'm sure an extremely small number of them exist. Don't think there is such a thing as a "sharp side." : 
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Posted: 12/3/2012 10:34:11 PM
To me all a sharp pick is finding an under the radar pick, I.E. Wisky on Saturday was a sharp pick..... On the surface a 12 ranked Nebraska team that is rolling into a Big 10 championship seemed like the logical pick..... Wisky was a sharp pick because upon further investigation, Nebraska has struggled defensively away from Lincoln, Nebraska offense turns the ball over more often away from Lincoln and despite Wisky 7-5 record they should have beat OSU and had been playing well despite some losses late in the season they where playing better than there record indicated....... To sum up a sharp pick is a pick where you can see through the stats and the surface and make a sharp play
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Posted: 12/3/2012 10:39:57 PM
That was a "sharp" play. But the "sharps" were on Nebraska.
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Posted: 12/4/2012 12:22:33 PM
These kinds of threads crack me up- because none of you know what you are talking about- do people really believe there are a group of guys out there who say they are "sharps"? and saying that it was a sharp play but the sharps were on the other side is comical!!! plan and simple- those who bet underdogs are labeled sharps and those who bet favorites are labeled squares- but all this sharp guy bullish-t cracks me up
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Posted: 12/4/2012 12:25:14 PM
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Posted: 12/4/2012 12:44:28 PM
The "sharps" are defined by the Head Linesman for the Diamond Sportsbook (BetDSI) and the sharp plays were not all on underdogs. Doh.
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Posted: 12/4/2012 2:45:42 PM
I think the only reason I was on Wisconsin was earlier in the year they dominated the first 3 quarters against Nebraska in Nebraska. So I figured Wisconsin should win a close game.
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Posted: 12/4/2012 3:05:36 PM
don't read too much into it....
   *like the SHARPS are always right....the PUBLIC wrong

like anything else on EARTH.....some guys take this she-e-t seriously and know WTF they are doing.....others just jackin' around....> so they have no clue....but sure get lucky from time to time...
   *these guys that know wtf they are doing...actually help set the line......

an example.......from last week

                         open        close        betting trend

313 OU               -8           -6.5          78%     80%     
314 TCU           63.0         54.5          22%     20%

here....looks like 78% of money was on OU.....and 80% on the OVER........OK then why on earth would the line drop?.....as it should have gone UP
the OVER is getting pounded...but yet dropped 9 points....why?....because the oddsmakers saw that the dreaded 'sharps'....were on the Frogs and the UNDER
while the 'public'....on OU and the OVER...
   note > Frogs and UNDER cashed

$$ ......what if they had respected the 'public' bettors?....then the line would have maybe been OU-10' or so.....they would have gotten annihilated....     
   


      

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Posted: 12/4/2012 3:28:41 PM
The sharps are perceived to know what they are doing. For every sharp play, you can reference like TCU-OU, there is a public play that can be referenced as well such as the public being on Oregon all year long. The public wins 49.5% of their bets. The sharps in total win about 50.5% which is roughly where the BetDSI sharps were.

The casinos do set their lines according to sharp action. Evidently, they do believe these sharps have knowledge but they are also responding to the large money which the "sharps" bring.
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Posted: 12/4/2012 3:47:00 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by HypoHandi:

The sharps are perceived to know what they are doing. For every sharp play, you can reference like TCU-OU, there is a public play that can be referenced as well such as the public being on Oregon all year long. The public wins 49.5% of their bets. The sharps in total win about 50.5% which is roughly where the BetDSI sharps were.

The casinos do set their lines according to sharp action. Evidently, they do believe these sharps have knowledge but they are also responding to the large money which the "sharps" bring.


OK.....then why don't you quit your job immediately....
Move to Vegas and make that EASY living betting on games....that's what the 'sharps' do.....you should be able to do it also.....according to your logic......

*let us know how it turns out
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Posted: 12/4/2012 3:52:10 PM
The purpose of the videos referenced is to provide viewers with information on how the "sharps" were betting to allow them to make more successful bets. This strategy was useless.

The reason it was useless is likely because all successful gamblers are typically simply lucky coinflippers. Some gamblers can be lucky for a very lengthy time period which can give even casinos a false impression of their skill. In fact, it can take 20 years to determine if an investor/gambler has any true skill.

If you take the actions of a number of "sharp" bettors, you are simply assuring yourself of coinflip odds because there is no such thing as a number of sharp bettors.
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Posted: 12/4/2012 4:16:43 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by bookieassassin:

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   *like the SHARPS are always right....the PUBLIC wrong

like anything else on EARTH.....some guys take this she-e-t seriously and know WTF they are doing.....others just jackin' around....> so they have no clue....but sure get lucky from time to time...
   *these guys that know wtf they are doing...actually help set the line......

i would agree sharps don't always win, but sharps are guys that take it seriously and can make a legitimately good case for a game because on angles that aren't openly available.... that being said even a professional gambler would be thrilled to hit 58% year in and year out   
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Posted: 12/4/2012 4:58:49 PM
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Posted: 12/4/2012 5:09:54 PM
how were you determining what a 'sharp' play is? 

i would think a sharp play would be where the public is lining up to bet a team yet the line is holding steady or moving in opposite direction..
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Posted: 12/4/2012 5:17:16 PM
I wasn't. The Head Linesman for BetDSI looked at his bets and identified sharp action by the bettors his book respected as "sharps" and identified the sharp plays in an attempt to separate "sharp vs. public splits." The sharp play was exactly what you thought it was. It just had no value.
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Posted: 12/4/2012 5:45:04 PM
"Sharps" get value for their bets. They just about always get the best price or line in a game. But you still have to play the game!
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Posted: 12/4/2012 5:48:41 PM
If sharps just about always get the best price or line in a game, they would have produced better than coinflip results. They do get the early line which seems to have value. But as often as not, the value is only perceived. In reality, it does not exist.
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Posted: 12/4/2012 6:31:40 PM
QUOTE

Originally Posted by HypoHandi:

That was a "sharp" play. But the "sharps" were on Nebraska.

The sharps in Vegas were not on Nebraska.. They were on Wisky and the sharps I listened to were on GA Tech against FSU. They know their stuff if you listen to the write ones. Listen to the guys on pregame 

 

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Posted: 12/4/2012 10:29:53 PM
The sharps at BetDSI were on Nebraska. There are no real sharps giving information. That is one way to know you are not listening to a sharp.
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Posted: 12/4/2012 10:40:44 PM
This thread is not very sharp.....
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Posted: 12/4/2012 10:51:40 PM
A play is only "sharp" if it wins.
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Posted: 12/5/2012 12:38:14 AM
Sharp drinking game:
Take a drink every time someone writes the word sharp in this thread
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Posted: 12/5/2012 12:54:19 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by TRAIN69:

A play is only "sharp" if it wins.

...and a "sharp" wins more than he loses.
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Posted: 12/5/2012 1:47:30 AM
Okla TCU is a good example of how you should bet...% of bets doesn't measure size of the bets...they are all considered the same but $ value in bets will tip the odds away from the % and that should tell you something...the public gets torched in the stock market too...did you buy in 2007 and sell in 2008? You should have done the opposite...
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Posted: 12/5/2012 3:10:08 AM
sharps do exist but it's all based on the information a sharp or group of sharps has compared to Vegas....doesn't mean a sharp's pick always wins but Vegas adjusts based on the size of the bets and information they are assuming such guys have....

but they aren't certainly a large group of bettors....it's still gambling no matter how you look at it and sharps get lucky just like every other gambler
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