LOAD up on ND +11.5 v Bama at 5dimes

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Posted: 11/27/2012 2:11:08 PM
I actually like Alabama in this matchup but laying DD in a BCS NC game makes no sense in terms of value. I hope Georgia wins so I can get -1.5 opposed to the ridiculous Bama -10.5/11/etc.
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Posted: 11/27/2012 2:35:09 PM

Don't think the public is or will be all over ND. More ND haters than fans and most average football fans believe in SEC football dominance and rightly so. It is the best football conference.

Think you are reading too much into that stat, but your entitled to your opinion. I am more interested in YPA which is near 8 yards. Golson seems to hit the passes in the clutch, if you have watched ND this year you would know this. Concurrently ND averages nearly the same amount of yards on the ground as through the air so once again you don't know what you are talking about. ND runs a multi set offense. They run both spread and more pro style sets.

ND is capable of going no huddle. First drive against SC was no huddle.

As for the points they are matters of opinion. I point out facts you point at facts it's what facts you decide to put value in.  ND (if pitt wins saturday) will have beaten 10 bowl eligble teams. Far and a way played more compettive teams than UGA or Bama and played a tougher schedule. IMO the SEC just isn't that competitive top to bottom this season. You have some great teams at the top and then the rest. So IMO placing value in UGA or Bama blasting teams that lost to or struggled with Sun Belt and FCS compettion and claiming competitive equivalency is utterly unobjective and sounds more like a dogmatic religious belief in SEC domination not borne out by the facts of the matter this season.  You are wagering on blind faith just as most of the public will be come Jan 7, believing that the SEC is an unstoppable football god........................

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Posted: 11/27/2012 2:44:22 PM
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Originally Posted by jimmydafreak:



Glad I could help.



I have no doubt whatsoever that Notre Dame will run no-huddle.  If you were Brian Kelly, won't you???  I know I would.  The problem is they lack offensive weapons.  In other words, the athletes on Alabama's defense are better than the athletes on Notre Dame's offense.

I think the only shot of keeping this game close is to run the ball effectively and dominate the time of possession like LSU did.  Running no-huddle will most-likely cause a lopsided time of possession advantage for Alabama.


Most likely they will do both, like they have most of the year. Kelly will do whatever is working. Also I don't know why you believe ND doesn't have the athletes on the outside. Like I asked b4 who is going to cover Eifert this guy all by himself changes the whole dynamic. He opens up the running game and space for receivers on the outside just by being on the field.

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Posted: 11/27/2012 2:44:59 PM
I think id have to disagree with your statement that the public won't be on ND. They are a national franchise just like the cowboys and McDonalds. So i just have a hard time not seeing the public loving them as an undefeated dog. Just my .02
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Posted: 11/27/2012 2:47:04 PM
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Originally Posted by wheaty :

How is your rational any different?? You're unloading on ND cuz you think the spread is too high and i quote, "you see NO risk in ND at +11.5". Apparently we're not the only ones thinking the books have the spread wrong lol. You just lay your money with the 'underated big dog'

My thought process is Bama is a big public favorite and public play because it is. I will take my chances with the dog.

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Posted: 11/27/2012 2:47:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Laroja:

ND sucks behind in the redzone, kicking way too many FGs; this is a problem that has occured all season long. They also have one of the worst punt return teams, this is important because it seems like almost every game I watch the Tide play; they give up a kickoff TD,PUNT td or give up lots of yardage.

I will grant you that.

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Posted: 11/27/2012 2:48:38 PM
Blood,

Everything about your statements about the ND offense and Eifert are based on the the defenses ND has played... And they were not good, and not even in the same universe as bama. I get what you're going for but your whole premise is based on a shaky foundation of bad defenses. No team they've played has had bama's speed size and depth through three strings on defense.
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Posted: 11/27/2012 2:51:02 PM
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Originally Posted by wheaty :

I think id have to disagree with your statement that the public won't be on ND. They are a national franchise just like the cowboys and McDonalds. So i just have a hard time not seeing the public loving them as an undefeated dog. Just my .02

Just my point of view from what I am reading and seeing statement wise from people not media hype. Go to any public sports forum and see what is being said you won't find a ton of ND love. Majority consensus is "ROLL TIDE"

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Posted: 11/27/2012 2:55:31 PM
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Originally Posted by wheaty :

Blood,

Everything about your statements about the ND offense and Eifert are based on the the defenses ND has played... And they were not good, and not even in the same universe as bama. I get what you're going for but your whole premise is based on a shaky foundation of bad defenses. No team they've played has had bama's speed size and depth through three strings on defense.

It's a bit beyond that, but I really don't think there is any LB or Safety in the country that can match up and play this guy one on one he is simply a fantastic mix of size, strength, and pure catching ability. On a whole I think ND's offense is very undervalued. I honestly believe they are far more capable than they are being given credit for. Like I have said several times we will see Jan 7. This is all pure speculative bs, but we will have a definitive result in about a month.

 

 

 

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Posted: 11/27/2012 3:02:09 PM
Very true sir. In a month one of us will be happy and the other a goat.... BOL
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Posted: 11/27/2012 3:07:51 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by BLOODandTHUNDER:

It's a bit beyond that, but I really don't think there is any LB or Safety in the country that can match up and play this guy one on one he is simply a fantastic mix of size, strength, and pure catching ability. On a whole I think ND's offense is very undervalued. I honestly believe they are far more capable than they are being given credit for. Like I have said several times we will see Jan 7. This is all pure speculative bs, but we will have a definitive result in about a month.

 

 

 


Irish offense under valued? How can that be? We've seen them play 12 games, it's no longer a mystery they just aren't that good offensively. What do you believe people have missed after watching them play an entire season which would suggest they're under valued?
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Posted: 11/27/2012 4:49:12 PM

I think the play calling has been conservative for two reasons:

1) Teach and protect Golson

2) They have been able to rely on the Defense

If they have to open it up they will and are more the capable and have shown it at different times throughout the season.

Also since ND RZ offense seems so horrid particulary after USC just something I noticed watch last 3 plays of last ND scoring drive and ponder why?

 

 

 

 

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Posted: 11/27/2012 5:47:56 PM
i'm sikk of talking about it,

lets play the fukkin games now
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Posted: 11/28/2012 12:01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by wheaty :

Spartacus, you're my hero! Lol. Im glad you recognized that ND backers are dodging valid points. Im in no way sold on a side yet since we don't know who for are is playing. Id just like a couple answers to some of the questions posed. I mean Im not calling anybody specific out here but deflecting questions about ND makes those ppl seem way more like homers than the actual homers imo

Here's the most valid point of all. Line opened at 11.5 and is down to 10.5 so did dimes drop it for chits and gigs are is all the public money pouring in on ND 5 weeks before the title game on a theorhetical line? Because we all know the public pounds "possible future lines" 5 weeks before an event that may or may not even happen. Afterall we know that offshore books are infamous for having massive populations of ND homers laying mortgage payments on ND.....................Use your head kids.

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Posted: 11/28/2012 12:01:57 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by gridironguy:

i'm sikk of talking about it,

lets play the fukkin games now

 

Agreed

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Posted: 11/28/2012 12:43:39 AM
Lets face it, the REAL NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME is this Saturday night. Whomever wins will have no trouble with the Irish and will be licking their chops at the prospect of playing them.
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Posted: 11/28/2012 12:02:39 PM
Ga plus 8 this weekend
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Posted: 11/28/2012 12:13:13 PM
Wait, if the public is pouring money in on a theoretical ND line, doesn't that mean they are a public favorite?? Lol i don't even care anymore. Just pointing it out
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Posted: 11/28/2012 12:40:46 PM
Bama fans are more worried about Ga than ND. Less time to prepare and many minor injuries. Get passed that one and heal up and prepare for ND. Give Saban a month plus to prep for the game and they will be ready. Bama is as strong as ND but faster on defense. On the offensive side, same thing applies. Unless they can hire Johnny Football to QB, the ND QB will see every blitz known to mankind. Bama has covered easily their last 3 bowl games....
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Posted: 11/28/2012 12:51:41 PM
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Originally Posted by wheaty :

Wait, if the public is pouring money in on a theoretical ND line, doesn't that mean they are a public favorite?? Lol i don't even care anymore. Just pointing it out

Evidently sarcasm is totally lost on you.

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Posted: 11/28/2012 12:58:05 PM
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Originally Posted by mydogmoe:

Bama fans are more worried about Ga than ND. Less time to prepare and many minor injuries. Get passed that one and heal up and prepare for ND. Give Saban a month plus to prep for the game and they will be ready. Bama is as strong as ND but faster on defense. On the offensive side, same thing applies. Unless they can hire Johnny Football to QB, the ND QB will see every blitz known to mankind. Bama has covered easily their last 3 bowl games....

Tell you what Bama's unstoppable offense looked unreal against that stout A+M defense...........

 

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Posted: 11/28/2012 12:59:55 PM
Lol apparently it is. I didn't think you were serious they'd drop the line just for giggles
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Posted: 11/28/2012 1:16:42 PM
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Originally Posted by wheaty :

Lol apparently it is. I didn't think you were serious they'd drop the line just for giggles

My point was a theorhetical line that has dropped a point isn't being played by the "public".

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Posted: 11/28/2012 1:24:42 PM
Lol i got ya. Honestly i can't comprehend much anymore. This whole conversation has my head swirling
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Posted: 11/28/2012 1:27:13 PM

Yeah this thread has gotten out of control

 

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