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Author:	[College Football] Topic: Stoops To Be Outcoached Saturday
Dblduce5178	RSI View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \| My Sportsbook: BetUS.com \|
Veteran Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 1218 Location: United States	#26 Posted: 9/17/2012 8:39:01 PM KSt will be one of the biggest squares plays Saturday...Oklahoma rolls...JMO
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Prospect Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 243 Location:	#27 Posted: 9/17/2012 8:47:55 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by TRAIN69: Stoops gets out coached almost every game. He just has more talent usually to cover his behind. What a clown post. Texas has more talent than OU every year. Bob Stoops is 8-5 against them. They are 11-2 against top 25 teams (bowls included, I believe) in their last 13 games against such teams. Bob Stoops is 3-0 against Florida State. He is 2-0 against Alabama. He is 8-1 against Kansas State, 7-1 when Snyder is the coach. How much further do you want me to go? Sure, OU with Bob Stoops as their head coach has lot some games. Some of those games were against better teams, some not. But your comment above is wrong. No.....not wrong, it's insanely stupid is what it is. As for the game on Saturday, I'll say this.....I think OU covers. Big night game in Norman? Ask TT how tough it will be to play well in Norman on Saturday. Yes, OU has struggled so far this season. But if you look back, there have been SEVERAL early season games over the years that OU has looked like crap in. In 2010 we only beat Utah State by 7, then turned around and beat FSU by 30 seven days later. I think with two weeks to iron out some receiver issues, a night game in Norman, and with this being a big game, I think OU gets up for it the way we've seen them get up for similar games in the past. If you think this OU team simply doesn't have the talent to be better than they've been the first two games, then by all means, bet KSU. If OU plays they way they did against UTEP, KSU will cover if not win. But I don't see OU playing that poorly. I think the defense will show that they are improved over last year. And I think the offense will be fine. If you look back over the years, this is EXACTLY the type of game where OU comes out and pastes somebody. If they play this game 10 times, I think OU covers at least 7 of those. Playing the odds, I'd be on OU with a line of 14 or less. Over that, probably a now play for me, though OU could very well cover a larger number.
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DrStrangelove	View Space \| Blog \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Prospect Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 296 Location: United States	#28 Posted: 9/17/2012 8:57:23 PM In defense of Bob Stoops, just the mere fact that he's taken his team to 4 NC games in the last decade speaks volumes of the kind of coach he is. What has always been funny to me is when a team loses a NC game, they are automatically thought of as being outcoached instead of the fact that the other team was probably just better. USC, LSU and Florida were 3 damn good opponents. It was no disgrace losing to those teams.
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Banned Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 2780 Location: Texas	#29 Posted: 9/17/2012 9:03:20 PM Lord I hope most Sooner fans haven't learned to accept such mediocrity. You obviously have. Since Adrian Peterson left the only bright spot has been Sam Bradford. This team and coach has vastly underachieved and embarrassed themselves and the program especially with that debacle against OSU last year. If making Cs and C minuses on your report card is acceptable to you then I feel sorry for you. I remember the program when a B was underachieving.
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KingRGIII	RSI View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Veteran Joined: Sep 2012 Posts: 2334 Location:	#30 Posted: 9/17/2012 9:17:29 PM KSt will be one of the biggest squares plays Saturday...Oklahoma rolls...JMO
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Rookie Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 681 Location: Northern Mariana Islands	#31 Posted: 9/17/2012 9:30:56 PM Wow.....what a thread. Bob Stoops is 141-34..........he owns his major rival.......he's won a national title............and, from a historical point of view, he immediately followed the great John Blake (12-22 in 3 years) and Howard Schnellenberger (5-5-1, having only their second losing conference record since WWII). My only complaint is the lack of big time recruits. In the not too distant past, there were guys like Adrian Peterson, Tommie Harris, Germaine Gresham, Gerald McCoy and others. Seems like they've finished second on a lot of those guys the past few years. Other than Tony Jefferson, who on this defense could start for any of the defenses Stoops had earlier in his career? Their talent level isn't near what it used to be. All this out coaching talk is a bit exaggerated. That being said, I'll be on Kansas State with the points this weekend. Good luck to all
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Prospect Joined: Sep 2012 Posts: 12 Location: United States	#32 Posted: 9/17/2012 9:40:34 PM Oklahoma by 3TD's this weekend. I'm embaressed to call Joe a fellow OU fan.
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SoonerfanTU	View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Prospect Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 243 Location:	#33 Posted: 9/17/2012 9:41:17 PM OU's margin of victory in their last xxxxx home games against ranked opponents: 30 27 44 14 25 10 43 21
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Boom_Boom	RSI View Space \| Blog \| Friends \| Playbook \|
All-Star Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 14965 Location: South Carolina	#34 Posted: 9/17/2012 9:47:45 PM Guys... I dont think Stoops is a bad coach. I never understood why people thought that. I think the guy is something like 84% for his career. Thats amazing. With that said, Snyder is the guy. Much Much respect for Snyder.
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joewashington	RSI View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Banned Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 2780 Location: Texas	#35 Posted: 9/17/2012 10:07:15 PM QUOTEp Originally Posted by TanTheMan22: Oklahoma by 3TD's this weekend. I'm embaressed to call Joe a fellow OU fan. Guess I'm just accustomed to a different standard of excellence...guess I'm from a different era. I remember when Sooner Magic was almost a regular happening on Saturdays. When was the last time anybody used the phrase "Sooner Magic" to describe an OU team in the last 20 years? The regular season means squat. It's what you do in the post season. And this guy's record in the post season is what's embarrasing...not that I'm not a Homer. This guy.....I guess he's a good coach. But being good just ain't good enough. At least it didn't used to be.
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Banned Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 1717 Location: Nevada	#36 Posted: 9/17/2012 10:13:31 PM joe like SoonerTu pointed out he owns everyone he plays against. The more I think about it you are actually worse than the typical OU fan because you dont just girl about losing; you girl that they don't get the best recruits. First off it doesnt even really matter. There are tons of teams that get top end talent its how you coach them and Stoops is the best in the business. Imagine if he had Bama talent or LSU talent. Miles is a total idiot but because he is at LSU he gets more talent. He is was a horrible recruiter at OSU. What changed? He got lucky and beat OU once when OU overlooked them as a 28 ft fav which was a game that OU wins; plays and wins the Big XII champ and then plays for another NC game. He did beat them once legit. That was the ONLY REASON HE GOT THE LSU JOB. His overall record was horrible but because his team beat OU twice he got the job. Miles is a terrible coach but has supreme talent. You are saying he doesnt get the top recruits WHEN DOES OU EVER GET THEM. This isnt Switzer era. He battles just like everyone else to get recuits. When he took over OU was losing out to people inside Oklahoma. The year he started that stopped and he got them ALL plus he started plucking people from Texas which is all he needs. If anything its a reflection of how good of a coach he is because he wins without supreme talent. When OU has had great talent was when OU was dominant. They dont have those players so they are not dominant. You sure were not bitching from 2000 and a long time. You think Synder is a better coach and OU just beat Snyder by 40 last year at Kstate. They have won their last 3 bowl games and have played in 4 NC games in 12 years. He wins 10 games + every year since 2000 but 2 years. Joe who is a better. Name off some better coaches and give me their records. You said that regular season games dont matter which is acinine. There is no sport where the regular season is the most important. You lose a game YOU DONT PLAY FOR THE NC GAME. You serioiusly are ridiculous. Stoops is a bad coach because he doesnt get enough 5 star recruits but he still wins the Big XII and big games year in and year out. You are losing it joe go root for Bama you are a garbage fan.
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Prospect Joined: Sep 2012 Posts: 12 Location: United States	#37 Posted: 9/17/2012 10:21:46 PM Joe, He's won 3 straight bowl games, 1 being BCS. If you say the other 2 were shitty bowl games then that would contradict your regular season doesnt mean squat arguement.. I have grown accustomed to the older OU fans that will always be negative no matter what OU does, you are not the only one. Nobody will hate you if you decide to root for another team.
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Banned Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 2780 Location: Texas	#38 Posted: 9/17/2012 10:40:26 PM You haven't answered my question. What happened to Sooner Magic? Is it gone and forgotten? Do you even know what I'm talking about? I'll tell you this. Nobody will hate you if you are merely content because you never got to experience it and this is all you know. If that's the case then it's not your fault. But if you know what Sooner Magic really is and you are still as content as you seem to be.....then I feel sorry for you because you have somehow become willing to settle...and at the same time I feel both lucky and blessed that I witnessed such a glorious time. Perhaps I'll be blessed to see it again someday. But as of today it's but a memory.
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SoonerfanTU	View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Prospect Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 243 Location:	#39 Posted: 9/17/2012 10:48:22 PM What are you talking about? We heard a lot about Sooner Magic early in Stoops' tenure at OU. How about that Torrence Marshall interception against aTm in 2000? How about the Superman play? You act as if all Barry Switzer did was win Championships, and all Bob does is lose them. College football is completely different now than it was when you were obviously younger. Get over it. You are dead wrong on this. Over the last 12 years, only Alabama and Florida have been better. PERIOD. That puts us third in the country over the last decade +. If that isn't good enough for you, we don't need you as a fan.
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joewashington	RSI View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Banned Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 2780 Location: Texas	#40 Posted: 9/17/2012 10:57:17 PM Good Lord you have indeed settled. You've now answered that question. 2000 was 12 years ago and his first season. So obviously he had little to do with that championship other than stand on the sidelines. Not his defense...not his offense and not his team team. It's what they call right place..right time. Then comes USC..LSU..and Florida. Oh yeah, I forgot Stoops signature loss. The one he will never escape. He had the game won a stood their on the sideline with his thumb up his behind while Boise State looked like the team with the Sooner Magic in the last 30 seconds. Go back and look at the clips of that last play and see the expression on Stoops face when he realizes what just happened. He looked like George Bush when he was told the twin towers were gone.
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Prospect Joined: Sep 2012 Posts: 12 Location: United States	#41 Posted: 9/17/2012 11:05:08 PM Not sure on your personal definition of Sooner Magic. Id consider Stills TD vs. FSU last year as Sooner Magic considering the circumstances. Obviously I would like OU to go undefeated every year and win the BCSNC every year and my weekends are 100% ruined when they lose. but im not going to/never have bash my own team on a public forum and live in the past which you seem to be good at.. If you want perfection right now, Bama has seats open on the bandwagon.
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SoonerfanTU	View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Prospect Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 243 Location:	#42 Posted: 9/17/2012 11:05:46 PM You're an idiot. There is a guy you remind me of.....he posts on an OU basketball board. He didn't have to tell me his age, from his posts, it's clear he is ancient. I can tell the same is true for you. Stop embarrassing my favorite school, and our state. You are senile.
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joewashington	RSI View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Banned Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 2780 Location: Texas	#43 Posted: 9/17/2012 11:16:27 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by TanTheMan22: Not sure on your personal definition of Sooner Magic. Id consider Stills TD vs. FSU last year as Sooner Magic considering the circumstances. Obviously I would like OU to go undefeated every year and win the BCSNC every year and my weekends are 100% ruined when they lose. but im not going to/never have bash my own team on a public forum and live in the past which you seem to be good at.. If you want perfection right now, Bama has seats open on the bandwagon. Both of you might want to go back to school and learn to read. Never bashed the team or the school. Not once. Read the thread again. And when you finally figure out that he has no defense...literally...only then will you no longer embarrass yourselves with your pathetic attempts. So.....how many more championship game losses will it take?
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SoonerfanTU	View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Prospect Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 243 Location:	#44 Posted: 9/17/2012 11:23:21 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by joewashington: So.....how many more championship game losses will it take? Why do the losses matter? Is second place not pretty darn good? Did you bash Barry Switzer when he lost to Miami THREE STRAIGHT SEASONS????? Where was Sooner Magic then?
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Prospect Joined: Sep 2012 Posts: 12 Location: United States	#45 Posted: 9/17/2012 11:30:08 PM Stoops is the coach of the OU fball team. and you have bashed him and his teams play in almost every post. SoonerfanTU made a great point, you are ancient an senile. Hopefully Stoops is the coach the remainder of your time on earth so you can continue to live a sad/miserable sports life
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joewashington	RSI View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Banned Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 2780 Location: Texas	#46 Posted: 9/17/2012 11:32:06 PM First off...one Kenny Stills TD against Florida State is not Sooner Magic. Sooner Magic is winning big games…on the big stage…with coaching, big plays and heart…when you weren’t supposed to. You just haven’t witnessed it....haven't experienced it. That’s not your fault. Like I said. He’s probably a good coach. But he ain’t even sniffin greatness. Tell you what. I’ll start a new thread and we’ll ask Covers posters to vote. Is Bob Stoops a bad, average, good or great coach? What you think they’ll say? You willing to stick around for the results? And now you nimrods resort to an attempt to bash Switzer as your defense for Stoops. You don't "even" want to go there pards. You boys been staying under water too long when you go noodlin.
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SoonerfanTU	View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Prospect Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 243 Location:	#47 Posted: 9/17/2012 11:41:10 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by joewashington: First off...one Kenny Stills TD against Florida State is not Sooner Magic. Sooner Magic is winning big games…on the big stage…with coaching, big plays and heart…when you weren’t supposed to. You just haven’t witnessed it....haven't experienced it. That’s not your fault. Like I said. He’s probably a good coach. But he ain’t even sniffin greatness. Tell you what. I’ll start a new thread and we’ll ask Covers posters to vote. Is Bob Stoops a bad, average, good or great coach? What you think they’ll say? You willing to stick around for the results? And now you nimrods resort to an attempt to bash Switzer as your defense for Stoops. You don't "even" want to go there pards. You boys been staying under water too long when you go noodlin. How can you "win games you aren't suppose to", when you are favored in EVERY game you play? Give it up. You are digging a hole you'll never get out of.
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Prospect Joined: Sep 2012 Posts: 12 Location: United States	#48 Posted: 9/17/2012 11:42:09 PM Winning on the road vs. a top 5 team at night on national TV isnt a big game on a big stage? And alot of fans of other teams hate Stoops, you would get very few honest opinions in that thread... Please go to bed old man
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Banned Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 2780 Location: Texas	#49 Posted: 9/18/2012 12:09:26 AM Not ready for bed yet.....I can hang with you 2 village idiots all night long. Actually I'd kinda like to stick around and see you explain why you believe all the other Covers posters are dishonest. Regarding winning on the road at night against Top 5 teams on nat'l tv who were you talking about? Florida? LSU? USC? West Virginia? Boise St? Which one were you talking about? Only one? BTW, go back and check how many times Nebraska was favored and Sooner pulled the rabbit out of the hat.
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SoonerfanTU	View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Prospect Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 243 Location:	#50 Posted: 9/18/2012 12:18:43 AM The fact that you don't even remember our win over FSU JUST LAST SEASON, speaks volumes of the level of fan you are. What about killing a #11 ranked UT team last year with the Gameday crew on site? How about beating #10 ranked KSU, at their place, by 41 points last year? Three wins vs top 11 ranked teams just last season. Haven't we won something like 7 Big 12 Championships under Bob? What, none of those games were big?
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