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Author: [College Football] Topic: Kiffin Shooting at His Feet: The Fall of the USC Trojans
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Posted: 9/17/2012 1:14:07 PM

The reduced scholarhips came back to hurt them here. The FG kicker and the center were nursing injuries. The backup center was a freshman who was undersized, did not know how to read defenses and lead the other linemen, and he was laid out on his back play after play after play. It was a game he will never forget.

The regular center should've played anyway, despite the ankle sprain. As a center he doesn't pull, so no need to run or be mobile, and they needed his mind out there to help with blitzes.

Poor decisions by Kiffin to not have a roaming pocket. EVERY pass play was a standard drop back pass. Not even one shotgun pass do I recall (I may have missed a play or two, but at key moments it was play action). Why play action when you have 0 yards rushing. They would've had 0 at the half were it not for a meaningless 22yrd scamper by the tailback to end the half, on a prevent defense.

So the first 2 tailbacks were also injured during the game, and they were running a 3rd string tailback with no college experience on the road vs STANFORD. And was Kiffin STILL trying to sell the run? Yes--and what an idiot right?

So, the FG kicker has never attempted a FG outside of high school, so he basically has no kicker for this game. No FGs are gonna happen. No center. No tailback.

The lack of scholarships is an excuse, but still the game was winnable with an adaptive gameplan that would give the best QB in the game time to throw. Forget the ridiculous run plays, and win with your strenthg.

There was no time to see the receivers breaking, to judge the timing, to make throws remotely catchable.

Poor game plan execution by Kiffin. A good defensive approach however, but one of the worst offensive gameplans in USC history.

They will win their next 5 games, playing the likes of CAL and Colorado, and the stats will be padded, and I'm sure they will hold steady in the polls wherever they've dropped to.

Kiffin was rewarded with Matt Barkely electing to stay another year. He 'REWARDS' Barkely by keeping the 3 year starting center out of the game with an ankle asprain. PLEASE--an ankle sprain can be taped up, and anyway he was in full pads and felt ready to play.

Yeah, so he REWARDS Barkely by actually theatening Barkely by potentially hurting him by leaving him unprotected.

If Kiffin does this garbage again, the next team will destroy Barkely's career in the NFL. He will be mutilated.

This is Kiffin's gratitude to you--a stoopid gameplan, and pulling out your starting center and your best protection.

Thanks to Kiffin, Barkely's chance at millions--his livelihood--is at risk. In a manner of 3 hours, Kiffin lost the NC and a chance at a Heisman.

 

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Posted: 9/17/2012 1:18:25 PM

And I never mentioned the idiotic tailback run right after 1st down in Stanford territory with less than a minute to play and no timeouts. Of course, a loss of two yards and 30 seconds. That was just puncuation for Kiffinesque offensive stupidity.

The real problem is keeping Barkely alive. If that were an SEC defense---largest and fastest linemen in college ball-- Barkely would've wound up on a stretcher.

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Posted: 9/17/2012 1:26:52 PM


completely agree.... im a stanford fan..im very very happy shaw got his signature win.....

now getting back on your analisis

its also beyond me how stoopid coaches can  be, this remember me yest game of SF vs Det, where Det just keopt running the rock over and over even when they were with no time in the 4th qrt...

poor piss game plan of kiffin , barkley just lost his heisman there and a shot to at least a major BCS CG, Oregon no doubt will destroy them if they have another rubbish game plan like that one
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Posted: 9/17/2012 1:36:28 PM
Who gives a garbage about usc
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Posted: 9/17/2012 1:45:02 PM
Usc is overated & wont make it to a BCS bowl.
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Posted: 9/17/2012 3:32:49 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by warcameagle56:

Usc is overated & wont make it to a BCS bowl.

USC runs the table and plays for the National Championship. Call me crazy but they picked the right time to lose if youre going to lose. Just dont see anyone going undefeated. Possibly FSU but a trip to Va Tech on a Thursday night never ends well.
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Posted: 9/17/2012 3:51:03 PM
how about an 18 yard fade route on 4th and 4?

Kiffin was epicly bad and then throws Barkley under the bus.
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Posted: 9/17/2012 4:05:15 PM
My opinion is Barkley will be just fine. He's still a high first rounder and still has a shot at the #1 pick.

He's a class act unlike his head coach.
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Posted: 9/17/2012 4:10:01 PM
  The reduced scholarships haven't kicked in yet.  This year is the first.


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Posted: 9/17/2012 4:16:16 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by ManRam24:


USC runs the table and plays for the National Championship. Call me crazy but they picked the right time to lose if youre going to lose. Just dont see anyone going undefeated. Possibly FSU but a trip to Va Tech on a Thursday night never ends well.


Alabama or LSU will be one of the teams in the national championship game.  Nobody on either team's schedule has much of a chance of beating them except each other.  The only question will be who the between those teams play???  Lets' hope it won't be USC, because that won't even be a remotely competitive game.

FSU has the best chance of playing Alabama or LSU in the championship game, and they are also probably the only team that can give either a competitive game.


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Posted: 9/17/2012 4:21:45 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by ManRam24:


USC runs the table and plays for the National Championship. Call me crazy but they picked the right time to lose if youre going to lose. Just dont see anyone going undefeated. Possibly FSU but a trip to Va Tech on a Thursday night never ends well.


i dont think so,,USC  Dropped like a friggin rock on the rankings..

Bama-Lsu will beat each other---but i dont see #1-#2 changing despite that

Oregon-- they only might...and is a HUGE might lose to USC ... adn now i even think Stanford might MIGHT trip them

FSU- they might lose this very week end, or vs Vatech or the gators

UGA-Tenn,SO.Car,Gators--- they might fall in one of them, and if they made it out....Bama or LSU will rape them again in the SEC Championship game

OU-- well take Kansas out of the equation---and they are due for a loss in any other game in their schedule

thats only to mention the top 5... anywway USC has  a big ladder to climb and will need a lot of combinations to reach the NCG..but its most likely not... they might slip to a major bowl--but we will see
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Posted: 9/17/2012 4:53:55 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by ManRam24:


USC runs the table and plays for the National Championship. Call me crazy but they picked the right time to lose if youre going to lose. Just dont see anyone going undefeated. Possibly FSU but a trip to Va Tech on a Thursday night never ends well.

You don't see Bama going undefeated bro? They are rock solid. A loss from them would be an EPIC upset.
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Posted: 9/17/2012 5:26:54 PM

He had nice words about His QB also...season int over....USC can win out and still get in ...UNLESS WE HAVE TO WATCH LSU VS ALABAMA 2 TIMES AGAIN THIS YEAR??? OH NO...PLEASE NO!!! SEC FOOTBALL IS UNWATCHABLE!!

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Posted: 9/17/2012 5:38:11 PM

Even though i hate USC, i wanted to see anybody but the SEC win it this year, because i am sick of ESecPN driving opinion and detemining the teams that are in the national championship game..

ESecPN Says: Sec has won it past 6 years cant argue that..won it past 6 years cant argue that...won it past 6 years cant argue that...won it past 6 years cant argue that...won it past 6 years cant argue that...won it past 6 years cant argue that...ITS SUBJECTIVE WHO IS THE BEST...AND ESPN DRIVES THE "SUBJECTIVITY TOWARDS THE CONFERENCE THAT MAKES THEM THE MOST $$$!!!!

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Posted: 9/17/2012 6:02:52 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Meta:


You don't see Bama going undefeated bro? They are rock solid. A loss from them would be an EPIC upset.

Buddy they are playing AT LSU. My only point is if you are going to drop a game now is the time to do so. Ya they dropped like a rock to 12. However each week a team loses that's ahead of them and USC wins that team will be in their rear view mirror. Just saying don't be shocked when you see them in the championship game if they beat Oregon twice. Also they didn't lose to UL Monroe here either. A top 10 team in their house. 
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Posted: 9/17/2012 6:07:47 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by jimmydafreak:



Alabama or LSU will be one of the teams in the national championship game.  Nobody on either team's schedule has much of a chance of beating them except each other.  The only question will be who the between those teams play???  Lets' hope it won't be USC, because that won't even be a remotely competitive game.

FSU has the best chance of playing Alabama or LSU in the championship game, and they are also probably the only team that can give either a competitive game.



No doubt one of the 2 teams will be LSU or Bama. However when we get to the SEC championship and both teams split which is possible I think a one loss USC team gets in over the SEC loser and a 1 loss FSU team (either VA Tech or Florida). Just don't count this horse dead yet. 
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Posted: 9/17/2012 6:34:47 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by ManRam24:


No doubt one of the 2 teams will be LSU or Bama. However when we get to the SEC championship and both teams split which is possible I think a one loss USC team gets in over the SEC loser and a 1 loss FSU team (either VA Tech or Florida). Just don't count this horse dead yet. 

 The scenario is possible..........the problem is this won't be USC's only loss. I've said it before, let me say it again............this is NOT the USC we knew under Pete Carroll. They're still more talented at the skills than any team in the country but that doesn't mean they're a good team. They'll win enough games to keep Kiffen around....... for a while. Then, at the height of their demise, Kiffen will run for the hills..........& USC will be back to square one.
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Posted: 9/17/2012 9:40:19 PM

Don't mean to  take away from Stanford's performance. They played as perfectly as you could on defense; they had seems like a helmet or hands on the ball at every catch attempt; they controlled the lines of scrimmage. How they only beat SJ St by a FG is puzzling.If they play like this week in and week out, and improve on offense in the redzone, they are a top 10 team with a great RB (Taylor) and a pair of tall receivers with great hands.

SC was up 14-7and was in FG territory,  they went for it on 4th down and the receiver had the TD with the ball in his mitts but learned a powerful lessn, that the ground is hard, it isn't biological material, and he coughed it up. Instead of 21-7, it's 14-7.

SC had enough to win it, but the major issue here is the lack of protection for the QB. In the 1st H, two Stanford players sandwiched Barkley--one at his knees, the other flew at his helmet. On that same play, the nose tackle grabbed barkley'sfacemask (no call). This kind of mauling should'vebeen addressed by Kiffin and Barkley's teamates. It should never be tolerated. I might be going out on a limb by saying there might be some strife between Barkley and Kiffin. The open shots at Barkley look so deliberate that it begs the question. It would not surprise me to hear of some internal strife between these two--and not unheard of. 8 sacks all last year, yet there were 8 sacks already halfway through game 3. Why was the offensive game plan unchanged?

I have no idea who will play for the NC, but LSU looks very good, as does Alabama, and they both play with a national championship frame of mind. SC could've been there after this hurdle--with a different offensive approach.

Oregon maybe has the best schedule and they've been in the NC recently.

 

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Posted: 9/17/2012 11:09:07 PM
Agreed. 

I believe SC will lose at least 2 more conference games. 
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Posted: 9/18/2012 12:12:36 AM
The Pac-12 South looks a lot stronger than I thought it would be,  If USC is not that good, Oregon has a great chance to get to the BCS game, but I agree with Jimmy that LSU, Bama, and FSU are the 3 strongest teams right now.  FSU will have a tough game vs Florida plus a couple conference teams could beat them.  
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Posted: 9/18/2012 12:46:04 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by RetainLane:

I believe SC will lose at least 2 more conference games. 

I agree. Now that they've been exposed like a freshman that's been pants in gym class, others are going to feel like they can stuff the Trojans in their locker, give them a swirly, and/or administer a wedgie. Utah, Arizona, and UCLA (all SC road games), in addition to Oregon, are all potential locker room bullies. Even the Huskies, who have beat USC 2 of the last 3 years are probably feeling better about their game in Seattle.
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Posted: 9/18/2012 11:55:45 AM

Kiffin called Barkley's back to back INTs in the 1st H "the worst two plays ever seen from Barkley..."

I sense tension between these two. I don't think Kiffin is offensive minded, or relates to the kind of speed and finesse required at a higher level--looks to me like vestiges of Pete Carrils tenure. USC football under Kiffin will be defense ans ball control, and being on the fringes of a NC but never completing the deal. Some teams have a culture of punching someone else in the mouth, ruining their chances as spoilers, but never winning the trophy themselves. This seems like the way Kiffin is, and what he's doing.

Teams have to want it; has to be part of the 'company culture' to want to win it all. Has to be someone ranked preseason in the top 10, and teams / coaches that have proven themselves, or desire the big stage.

Not sure who could win it all w/o the playoff system, except any team that was ranked preseason top 10.

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Posted: 9/18/2012 12:07:22 PM

LSU or Alabama look unbeatable, although some teams can stay within a score and deserve a shot at it.

Winner of Clemson/FSU has a title shot. No idea who will win that one, but Clemson looks awfully good, too.

Oregon to me is right there again, and the polynesian QB is working the system well.

Guess we'll find out game by game.

 

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Posted: 9/18/2012 12:09:53 PM

Take a look at the TV ratings for last year's National Title game with Alabama/LSU....they were frighteningly low .

There is no way that ESPN (excuse me, Viacom) will go through that one again.  Enter the team that has the easiest path to the title...the Oklahoma Sooners vs Bama or LSU.

And no, Oklahoma is not that good this season. I guess I could make a case for an undefeated Oregon team, but the Ducks running the table in the Pac is very unlikely in my opinion.

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Posted: 9/18/2012 12:26:33 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by bigvern1013:

Take a look at the TV ratings for last year's National Title game with Alabama/LSU....they were frighteningly low .

There is no way that ESPN (excuse me, Viacom) will go through that one again.  Enter the team that has the easiest path to the title...the Oklahoma Sooners vs Bama or LSU.

And no, Oklahoma is not that good this season. I guess I could make a case for an undefeated Oregon team, but the Ducks running the table in the Pac is very unlikely in my opinion.



bigvern.....respect your opinion.

Let me ask you. If OU does indeed "back into" the NC game this year what would you expect the outcome to be. I'm thinking like 35-14 or something along those lines.

If so....and considering OU's lack of "showing up" in recent NC games (last 5-7yrs)...tell me your unbiased opinion of Florida Asst Coaching Great Bob Stoops?

But Lord it would be grand if OU could show up and make it 35-14 Sooners.....But I'm afraid that would be only a dream.


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