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#126
Posted: 8/13/2012 8:34:53 AM
Alabama is paid all the way up through MARK EMMERT SO YOU WILL BE FINE BAMAPIKS!!
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#127
Posted: 8/13/2012 8:42:03 AM
SAYING EVERYONE CHEATS IS ADMITTING THAT YOU (ALABAMA) CHEAT!!!
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Posted: 8/13/2012 9:10:24 AM
Two words: Danny Sheridan

If you get to know him then you know it all! The man is amazing. Loaded with accurate and jaw dropping information. It's right up your alley!
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Posted: 8/13/2012 2:48:47 PM

Well Obviously you (bamapiks) have figured out that the whole situation was brought on by ??? CAM NEWTON and Auburn...leaving many people (including myself) wondering if all SEC teams (Auburn, Miss state seems to be proven) PAY FOR PLAYERS??)

The an you sent me looking for was on finebaums show and in a nutshell

The NCAA thinks Newton was bought and paid for; it's all a matter of proving it now. Some amount of money went to Cecil Newton, while another amount went to Cecil's church. This money was handled by a "third party". The investigation has "revved up" since Chizik's outburst in Destin. The total amount is approximately $180-200K, with $20-30K having gone to the church. Sheridan has "no idea" if this is true.

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Sheridan closes by saying the "they [the NCAA] think they know the third party, and they think they know the party that put up the money." That means the NCAA is looking at two entities here: someone who allegedly financed this alleged deal and someone who allegedly carried out this alleged deal. If the NCAA can remove the four "allegedly" instances out of that statement, Auburn's in deep trouble.

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#130
Posted: 8/13/2012 2:57:41 PM
I think this Retroactive punishment doesnt at all discourage these kids, coaches, or boosters to do anything but whtt is in their own self intersts...By the time the dust settles on these cases the guilty parties are long gone!! usually!! Like Saban will be if he sees something bad coming...What to do in case of scandal and wrongdoing?? see Exhibit Pete Carrol ....What not to do?? see exhibits Joe Paterno and Jim Tressel!!
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Posted: 8/13/2012 3:15:02 PM

 (as one writer notes)

"It is unfortunate and not right but the program and institute have to take responsibility for the actions that include them in the problem."

It becomes difficult after an athlete has left the school to really impose any punishments on them, no matter how badly a die hard fan would like to see it.

To regulate some sort of punishment, would have to include a verbal agreement or contract by the NCAA with all major sports associations which isn't a reasonable idea simply for the fact that professional sports has no interest or time for petty crimes such as that.

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#132
Posted: 8/13/2012 7:22:36 PM
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BAMMMM!!

I think we are on the same path. I agree 200% with your last three posts!!!!

Things could get rough for many programs. Yes, even my Tide!

A prime example, Auburn is currently under the microscope and being investigated with Reuben Foster and Javon Robinson. I'm not saying they did anything wrong. However, there is plenty of mud slinging going on right now. We all know that if you keep throwing mud that eventually something will stick!

I go to Booster dinners when I can. Stories are told around the table. However, it is all about separating fact from fiction.

As I was told a couple of weeks ago from a very "in the know" source...The NCAA isn't holding back. They are looking into many situations that would be previously overlooked (I.e. players switching commitment at last moment, grades, etc...).

The 2A knows money is tossed around and are putting forth more effort to penalize programs for doing so. They are going for the "low hanging fruit" first!!

I've wondered where my donations have went before. I'd be lying if I told you that I've never heard "eyebrow" raising stories.

The fact is...more programs are doing it than in the past. It's competitive...they are trying to keep up!


A thought to ponder...what is Logan Young doing these days?
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Posted: 8/13/2012 7:48:58 PM

HMM ...GUESS THEY TAKE THIER FOOTBALL PRETTY friggin SERIOUS IN BAMA TOWN!!

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ESPN is reporting that “A man found dead Tuesday in a Memphis home is believed to be Logan Young, an Alabama booster convicted of bribing a high school football coach to get a top recruit for the Crimson Tide.”

Police are investigating the case as a homicide. They have not yet confirmed the body was Young, but the Memphis Commercial Appeal reported on its Web site Tuesday that that detectives were working at a house where Young’s body was found. “We’re treating it as a mystery homicide,” Sgt. Vince Higgins told The Associated Press. He said officials assume the victim was Young but needed to use fingerprints and dental records to confirm the identity. “Suffice it to say, there was quite a physical struggle in this and this individual was injured severely,” he said.

Nashville attorney Jim Neal, who defended Young, said he had been told the body was found by a housekeeper. “I’ve had two or three calls about it, all to the same end, found killed in his home. … I heard that there was blood everywhere. That is all I know,” Neal said. Higgins said Young’s housekeeper found the body after she arrived for work this morning. The body had not been removed from the house and no family members immediately arrived at the house.

The 65-year-old Young was convicted under federal law of money laundering and racketeering conspiracy in the case involving the peddling of defensive lineman Albert Means. Young was sentenced in June to six months in prison and six months of home confinement then two years of supervised release. But he had been allowed to remain free pending his appeal.

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Posted: 8/13/2012 7:58:36 PM

THERE IS REALLY NO WAY TO POLICE EVERY BOOSTER, AND EVERY PLAYER, BUT IF THERE WERE AS MANY COMPLIANCE OFFICERS AS COACHES AT EACH SCHOOL I THINK IT WOULD BE A START TO SOLVING THE PROBLEM??? I DONT CARE (LIKE I SAID) IF PLAYERS WERE PAID COST OF LIVING, BUT IT SEEMS TO BE COMPLETELY OUT OF CONTROL WITH $$$$  ITS A BIG PISSING CONTEST RIGHT NOW (ESPECIALLY IN THE SEC!) AMONG THE  BOOSTERS (BECAUSE THEY KNOW THE DEATH PENALTY CANT HAPPEN AGAIN) , BUT LIKE IVE BEEN SAYING THERE NO WAY TO TRACE MOST THIS STUFF WITHOUT A PAPER TRAIL! IT SEEMS LIKE THERE IS TOO MUCH TEMPTATION TO CHEAT IN NCAAF RIGHT NOW!!!????

IF ALL THESE TEAMS ARE GUILTY IN THE SEC?? THEN WHAT IS EMMERET GOING TO DO?? CLOSE DOWN HIS BIGGEST MONEY-MAKER?? NOT LIKELY

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#135
Posted: 8/13/2012 8:16:12 PM
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It's all one big puzzle piece to be linked together. I mean this respectfully to you...I knew you were smart and love CFB. The sad part is most of this stuff is scratching the surface.

Football has become too powerful. I'm obsessed with it but a line needs to be drawn. The 2A is finally scaring the hell out of programs for any mistake. Please, correct me if I'm wrong but I don't recall as many players being removed from programs for things such as pot, etc...like what is currently taking place. The 2A is headhunting.

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Posted: 8/14/2012 8:37:16 AM

I graduated from Tulsa University, so the Midwest (Surrounded by football crazed OU, and OSU Fans!!) I am a football crazed also! I heard that Alabama might be cheating and did one search and someone accused them of cheating like July 20th and Alabama has a shady past (Also im 1000% sure Miss st. and Auburn had a bidding war for Cam Newton!!) Im tired of hearing about how one conference (THE SEC) is the greatest thing ever from ESPN Analysts!! In my mind there are  POWER TEAMS in the power conferences like the SEC, but only 2 teams with a chance (Bama and LSU) Big 12 (OU and Texas) Pac 12 (Oregon and USC) the Big Ten (Nebraska, Wisconsin) and the ACC (Florida State and Clemson) ARE REALLY THE ONLY SCHOOLS THAT HAVE A CHANCE TO GET INTO THE BCS!! (change wisconsin for Ohio state and clemson for miami in non banned years!)

OKAY TOP TO BOTTOM THE SEC IS THE BEST! BUT CAN YOU REALLY KNOW THAT?? LAST I CHECKED KENTUCKY, OLE MISS, VANDY, MISS STATE SUCK MONKEY BALLS!

NOW FINDING OUT THAT THESE KIDS ARE "PAID FOR" AFTER HEARING 6 YEARS OF THIS SEC SUPREMECY STUFF JUST MAKES ME WANT TO BELLY LAUGH!! THE NCAA HAS MORE ON THEIR PLATE THAN THEY CAN HANDLE!

TU ISNT EVEN ON THE COLLEGE FOOTBALL MAP!!!

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Posted: 8/14/2012 8:44:41 AM

As far as the kids getting kicked off teams due to illiicit drugs or twitter! thats retarded, and has nothing to do with football and everything to do with CONTROL!! They cant control BOOSTERS and BAGS of cash!!! But they can look at the internet and TEST YOUR PEE!!

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Posted: 8/14/2012 8:46:29 AM
Yeah, it's grown into a "monster" of a mess. I do think that it will get better when the SEC hits a downhill slide which is eventually coming. Everything runs it course!
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#139
Posted: 8/14/2012 9:09:37 AM

Im not a politician, i present the problem and i actually HAVE A SOLUTION!!

1) Pay the kids cost of living!

2) Each BCS School must employ 10 Compliance monitors mandatory at each school! 3 to watch the Boosters, 3 to watch coaches, 3 to watch the players, and one to watch the Watchers (compliance staff)!!!

3) If there is an incident that isnt self reported the; NCAA acts immediately on the case!

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Posted: 8/14/2012 9:12:48 AM
Revision of #1) Pay their bills, ie pay their rent,  food, have a gas and entertainment card! NOT CASH!!!
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Posted: 8/14/2012 9:20:20 AM

NCAA CREED

The NCAA enforcement program strives to maintain a level playing field for the more than 400,000 student-athletes. Commitment to fair play is a bedrock principle of the NCAA. The NCAA upholds that principle by enforcing membership-created rules that ensure equitable competition and protect the well-being of student-athletes at all member institutions.

The enforcement program is dedicated to creating positive student-athlete experiences by preserving the integrity of the enterprise. The mission of the NCAA enforcement program is to reduce violations of NCAA legislation and impose appropriate penalties if violations occur. The program is committed to the fairness of procedures and to the timely and equitable resolution of infractions cases.

Recent Cases

» 3/12/12 - UNC receives postseason ban, scholarship reductions

» 12/20/11 - Ohio State cited for failure to monitor, receives postseason ban

» 12/16/11 - Former Cal Poly Pomona coaches cited for unethical conduct

» 11/23/11 - NCAA statement on point-shaving allegations

» 11/11/11 - University of Oklahoma Mens Basketball Cited for Violations

» 11/4/11 - Infractions Appeals Committee upholds penalties, most findings for Arizona State University

» 10/12/11 - NCAA statement on Auburn football investigation

» 9/13/11 - Three Ohio State football student-athletes reinstated, must repay benefits

» 9/13/11 - Boise State cited for major violations in five sports

» 5/26/11 - Appeals committee upholds infractions decision for University of Southern California

The NCAA makes a purposeful distinction between determining student-athlete responsibility through an eligibility decision and university culpability through the infractions process. Institutions are accountable for rules violations through the infractions process. Student-athletes are responsible for rules violations through the eligibility process.

Reinstatement decisions are independent of the NCAA enforcement structure and typically are made once the facts of the student-athlete’s involvement are determined. Read more

The easiest way to think about the two processes is this: Enforcement involves violations involving an institution or its employees. The eligibility process is triggered when a student-athlete has culpability for a violation.

I dont see Aalbama on any recent cases!!!!

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Posted: 8/14/2012 7:44:15 PM
Alabama had players hanging around a menswear store signing merchandise. And Julio Jones has at least 16 suits (http://outkickthecoverage.com/julio-jones-the-man-of-many-suits.php). Seems like a lot for a college student...

But what evidence is there that hookups took place? Well, it's still circumstantial at this point. All we've determined so far is that Alabama confirmed the suit store owner was selling items autographed by the players. We haven't proven that he provided impermissible benefits to those players or that the players knew their autographs were being sold. Although, it's worth considering how the Alabama players couldn't know their autographed material was being sold considering that the merchandise they signed was being sold at a mall kiosk in the same mall where T-Town Menswear was located.

But each day the connections between Alabama and a suit store become more and troubling.

And we're about to provide a lot more smoke.

Here is Julio Jones, Alabama wide receiver who has no job and isn't independently wealthy. Raised by a single parent, Jones recently described his mother's work history in an interview before the NFL Draft: "She works at KFC. Before that, she worked at Church's Chicken for a long time. It's time for her to take a break." Alabama listed Jones at 6'4" 220 pounds. That's a mountain of a man who would need a special work from a tailor to have suits fit perfectly.

How many suits would you expect for a guy like Julio Jones to own while he was in college?

Two or three at the most?

Well, Outkickthecoverage.com has found pictures of Julio wearing ten different suits into Alabama football games.

Ten!

Ten suits that are perfectly tailored to fit his build and ten suits that have been matched with ties and shoes. How much do you think that cost? How much do you think Julio paid?

After this was posted, Busted Coverage found six more suits.

That's sixteen suits. For a college kid with no job and a cushy relationship with a suit provider. So cushy, in fact, that the store owner allows him to hang out in the back and use the computer.
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Posted: 8/14/2012 7:51:34 PM
Everybody cheats. Some just do it better.
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Posted: 8/14/2012 8:08:49 PM

January 2001: Following days of rumors posted on Internet chat rooms, a newspaper in Memphis, Tenn., The Commercial Appeal, reports that a Crimson Tide booster is said to have paid a high school coach $200,000 to steer a top recruit, Albert Means, to Alabama.

February 2001: Alabama receives a preliminary letter of inquiry from the NCAA.

August 2001: Federal grand jurors in Memphis indict former Trezevant High School head coach Lynn Lang and former assistant Milton Kirk on charges of trying to sell Means to seven schools.

Sept. 6, 2001: Eight days later, Alabama receives official notice of alleged rules violations from NCAA.

Feb. 2, 2002: Alabama football receives five years probation, including a two-year postseason ban, because of a recruiting scandal in which boosters were accused of paying money for prep players.

Oct. 17, 2007: University bookstore employee discovers questionable textbook charges by women’s track and field athlete, prompting internal investigation.

Feb. 20, 2009: Alabama appears before NCAA Committee on Infractions.

June 11, 2009: The NCAA places 16 athletic programs, including football and men’s basketball, on three years of probation for misuse of free textbooks student athletes obtained for others using their scholarships.


Read more here: http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/2009/06/12/746599/a-timeline-of-alabamas-ncaa-problems.html#storylink=cpy
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Posted: 8/14/2012 8:11:47 PM
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That's sixteen suits. For a college kid with no job

Ah yes, "suit-gate"

This was barely a blip in the media, if at all.

Tough to hate on Saban, he knows how to win....and cheat, better than everyone else.

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Posted: 8/14/2012 10:03:16 PM
Post #143...spot on!!
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Posted: 8/15/2012 12:50:26 AM

What does this mean??

Ralph Cindrich?@RalphCindrich

Gotta say 'Bama is the NCAA Crown Jewel. Fairness w/ Emmert, Sabin, relationship in place ain't happening.

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Posted: 8/15/2012 1:00:18 AM
Yeah...good Ol' Cindrich challenged Saban to come at him. Well...let's just say he was confronted (not by Saban) and now he hasn't opened his mouth. I heard of a higher power in Birmingham pleading for him to tell one thing he had on Saban. Of course, he wouldn't!

One of two things...

1. He has a vendetta and has no fact of any wrongdoing
2. He is scared as hell that he went on a tangent without thinking first and DOES know of wrongdoing and is scared to what will happen to him.

And there could be a third factor...it be a combination of 1 & 2! That's personally what I think it is. :)

He shall be a little worried IMO!
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Posted: 8/15/2012 1:18:19 AM
But, then again, why would Saban worry? He's got Savarese, Emmert and NCAA blue ribbon-panelist Jimmy Sexton to protect him! @RalphCindrich
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    @AUTigerDave I despise it. Saban's Sexton on a NCAA committee? Really now? Pat Dyer w/ Sexton. Sexton w/ Condon who had Upshaw protecting.

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    Posted: 8/15/2012 1:22:32 AM

    This guy Cindrich hates Saban because he was hired by Emmert and thinks its a big conspiracy!!

    How's this for an endorsement? Nick Saban once called new NCAA President Mark Emmert "absolutely the best boss I have ever had."

    Of course, Emmert made Saban one of the nation's highest-paid coaches when he hired him from Michigan State to LSU in 1999. Emmert was LSU's chancellor at the time. And after a couple of Southeastern Conference championships and a 2003 national title, he sweetened the pot: a seven-year contract starting at $2.3 million annually, moving Saban to the top of the earnings chart.

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