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#26 Posted: 1/15/2012 10:14:13 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by whsbaseball21:
i'd reply to a post, but everyone here is apparently from the south or east and favoring the SEC.
Oregon lost to Ohio State on a Blount fumble, he kicked out of the end zone, a real fluke play. If he scores there, he likely turns the game around, Oregon takes the lead and wins the 2010 Rose Bowl. If any of you actually watched the game or were at the game like I was you would know that play changed the outcome.
The Oregon/Auburn game was a lot closer than you SEC biased people believe. I put the farm on Auburn ML, as an Oregon student, thinking we'd get blown out. Nick Fairley and Cam Newton scared the hell out of me, and I got lucky. If Cliff Harris picks off that Newton ball... which he did, but the refs mistakingly called it by the NFL rule and not the NCAA rule, Auburn kept the ball and he threw a 40+ yard touchdown on the next play. Sure, it saved my senior year tuition but it was a big momentum changer in a still close game. LaMichael's safety and the tackle on Tuinei when he thought he could coast to a touchdown to take the lead, mental errors, not physical errors lead to an Auburn title.
The LSU game. DeAnthony's 2 fumbles and Barner's fumbles were huge momentum changers for the Tigers. DeAnthony may be the Ducks best player in 2012, and if any of you disagree, re watch the 2012 Rose Bowl. He drops a punt because it was one of his first play on the field as a true freshman. It's understandable. But if he plays like he did in the Rose Bowl in that game... more importantly, if LSU plays how they did in the national title game in that game, Oregon walks to a victory.
Also, I'd like to see the SEC make a trip out west to Autzen.
That game against LSU was basically a road game. A short drive for the tigers or a spendy vacation for duck fans.
By saying this, I'm no homer either. I graduated from Oregon in June, and don't think that offense is unstoppable. LSU and Auburn made key stops against the spread that helped them win. USC as well, USC may very well be the best team in the country next year. And whoever said that if Oregon splits with them the conference is terrible? Look for Oregon to split with USC next year and there to be the biggest debate in BCS 2013.
When Oregon, USC, Bama, LSU and maybe even Arky all have 1 loss if the round robin works out that way.
Alabama, however, has many key losses. They'll have to go through hell next year playing Michigan in Cowboys Stadium, which they'll probably win. But go to Arky, go to LSU and play a tough Texas A&M offense at home. I only call it tough because of all the defense Bama loss. I'm sure Saban will have the defense ready to shut down A&M by then.
LSU has a few mediocre games on their schedule, going to A&M, Florida and Arky but it's all late and I'm sure they'll be ready. If they win at Arky it could be another undefeated season for the Tigers.
Arky, it's just hilarious some of the SEC non conference schedules play out. Jacksonville State and ULM ... great way to start the season 2-0. Oregon has cake ones this year but look at the past with Houston's big offense, Fresno State goes to bowl games more often then those powderpuffs, The Citadel and the rest of the weak SEC non conference schedules- Georgia does play a tough schedule most of the time. But Arky won't run the table. Their November schedule is extremely tough going to SC, Miss St, playing LSU at home and then the SEC championship game. Plus the Bama game thrown in there earlier.
If any SEC team does run the table, I expect it to be LSU or Georgia. But karma will reign on Georgia because they backed out of a home and home with my Oregon Ducks, because they don't want to lose the chance to go undefeated by not playing any non conference games outside of the SEC area and still getting to play 7-8 games at home. The whole SEC is notorious for that. Florida hasn't played a non conference away game outside the state of Florida in like 40 years.
Last year Florida beat Furman, UAB and Fla Atlantic at home. Come on, really?
With those weak offenses, I'd like to see any of the SEC teams come to Autzen and leave with a win. They're no USC.
Great Stuff as usual brother
I wish SEC Squads played some home and Home vs West Coast , or BIG 12 Schools...
If Playoffs ever come into the Game ...I think major Conference schools will only schedule MAC,SBC or FCS Foes ....
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#27 Posted: 1/16/2012 10:02:09 AM
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#28 Posted: 1/16/2012 11:13:03 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life: I wish SEC Squads played some home and Home vs West Coast , or BIG 12 Schools...
By my count, 2/3 of the conference hasn't gone west to play a non-conference game in 6+ years.
Tennessee and Georgia are doing their share.
Tennessee/UCLA, Tennessee/Cal, Georgia/ASU, LSU/Washington, Georgia/Colorado, Ole Miss/Fresno St.
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#29 Posted: 1/16/2012 5:05:37 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by dytide:
I am starting to wonder what would have happened if Harbaugh had coached Stanford last season.
Stanford probably would have won the Pac-12, but Oregon did make them look pretty bad in 2010 in Autzen. They very well could have beaten the Tigers the way they played in January. But he's in a more important post season right now, so I doubt he regrets his decision.
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#30 Posted: 1/16/2012 5:08:11 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life:
Great Stuff as usual brother
I wish SEC Squads played some home and Home vs West Coast , or BIG 12 Schools...
If Playoffs ever come into the Game ...I think major Conference schools will only schedule MAC,SBC or FCS Foes ....
I actually agree with that.
I think it should be required to have 1 of your 3 games be against a top 6 conference.
But I also think that they should have the winner of the Rose Bowl play the winner of the Fiesta Bowl... the winners of the Sugar and Orange Bowl play and then those winners play.
It only adds two games, since you still have the natty.
It only adds the two semi final games. One more week of college football, keep it on Mondays to avoid NFL collusion.
I would have loved to see Ok State/Oregon this year. Those offenses would have lit it up, and then OK State gets its chance in all of this.
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#31 Posted: 1/17/2012 12:40:33 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by whsbaseball21:
I actually agree with that.
I think it should be required to have 1 of your 3 games be against a top 6 conference.
But I also think that they should have the winner of the Rose Bowl play the winner of the Fiesta Bowl... the winners of the Sugar and Orange Bowl play and then those winners play.
It only adds two games, since you still have the natty.
It only adds the two semi final games. One more week of college football, keep it on Mondays to avoid NFL collusion.
I would have loved to see Ok State/Oregon this year. Those offenses would have lit it up, and then OK State gets its chance in all of this.
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#32 Posted: 1/17/2012 12:50:55 AM
USC +850 or better
Arkansas 20-1 or better
Georgia 23-1 or better
Virginia Tech 30-1
Michigan 50-1
TCU 40-1 or better
Clemson 48-1 or better
Waiting on 5 Dimes and the Local
Have been spot on or really close for last 5 Years .... having both Auburn 57-1 and Oregon 23-1 2 years ago .... Florida +850 Tebow Time ....Oklahoma ST last year as a Near Miss at 35-1.......Texas 18-1 VY....off pretty bad 2 of last 9.. |
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#33 Posted: 1/29/2012 10:25:35 AM
USC 7-1 or better
Arkansas 20-1 or better
Georgia 25-1 or better
Virginia Tech 30-1
Michigan 50-1
TCU 40-1 or better
Clemson 48-1 or better
Waiting on 5 Dimes and the Local
Have been spot on or really close for last 5 Years .... having both Auburn 57-1 and Oregon 23-1 2 years ago .... Florida +850 Tebow Time ....Oklahoma ST last year as a Near Miss at 35-1.......Texas 18-1 VY....off pretty bad 2 of last 9.. |
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#34 Posted: 2/2/2012 1:59:38 PM I think there is only two you can get at those odds you want. Arkansas and TCU. |
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#35 Posted: 2/2/2012 1:59:55 PM |
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#36 Posted: 2/3/2012 9:25:23 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by Absolutxedge22: I think there is only two you can get at those odds you want. Arkansas and TCU.
U are likely right Brother
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#37 Posted: 2/3/2012 9:43:10 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by thorpe:
By my count, 2/3 of the conference hasn't gone west to play a non-conference game in 6+ years.
Tennessee and Georgia are doing their share.
Tennessee/UCLA, Tennessee/Cal, Georgia/ASU, LSU/Washington, Georgia/Colorado, Ole Miss/Fresno St.
I did some math a while back & posted it in a thread here............teams like an ohio st., Florida, Texas never have 6 road games & only played about 25% of their ooc games vs BCS conf teams..............USC avg'd nearly 6 roadies & about 85% of their ooc games were vs BCS conf teams..........since about 2003 I believe.........I hate to say it but they were the most legit NC's of the past decade. |
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#38 Posted: 2/8/2012 8:31:27 PM Georgia Tech is my sleeper. I believe they are returning every starter on offence and defence. |
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#39 Posted: 2/8/2012 9:48:42 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by THEMUGG:
I did some math a while back & posted it in a thread here............teams like an ohio st., Florida, Texas never have 6 road games & only played about 25% of their ooc games vs BCS conf teams..............USC avg'd nearly 6 roadies & about 85% of their ooc games were vs BCS conf teams..........since about 2003 I believe.........I hate to say it but they were the most legit NC's of the past decade.
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#40 Posted: 2/16/2012 12:58:16 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by rLp: I don't think Michigan or Wisconsin will finish in the top ten. Michigan will probably lose the opener to 'Bama. They simply don't have the horses up front imo. Although, 'Bama has lost some key players.. They have brutal road games @ ND (which they have beat ND 3 straight years in the last seconds of the game, so ND will be ready for that game) @ Nebraska and @ Ohio State (both who will have revenge on their minds). Plus, add in their in-state rival MSU, which you can never chalk up as a win. Michigan returns most of their team, and although I think they will have a better team, they will have a worst record next year due to their schedule.
One of the main reasons for Wisconsin's success this year is b/c they won the transfer sweepstakes on Wilson. Yes, Ball is coming back, but they have lost their entire O-line, best WR and have no QB on the roster who has any experience. Wisconsin was barely in the top 10 this year, and this year's team was pretty solid. I don't see how replacing all that experience, they remain in the top 10. they only lose 2 outta 5. oglesby and zeitler. good info tho |
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#41 Posted: 2/16/2012 1:12:48 AM
10-2 meeting michigan in big 10 championship game
schedule appears to be two speed bumps at iowa and at nebraska, ohio state at home who they beat last year in cbus after sandusky stuff hit fan ...wisconsin at home losing a ton of key players...ohio state cant play in champ game so its a two horse race
most of the starters psu losing outside of moye, still and lynn wont matter as younger more talented players ready to step in...if BOB has a creative offensive mind big 10 champ game splitting the 4 games mentioned.
for all the great joe paterno was we all at penn state knew this was his last year and we needed a fresh coaching staff regardless...joe looking down from the heavens, the best strength coach in the biz for offseason, and a refreshing start for a team a field goal shy of indy last year with one of our worst teams in 10 years.
i can feel it coming the air tonight, oh lord, i have been waiting for this moment for all my life oh lord oh lord
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#42 Posted: 2/16/2012 1:15:28 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by thisguyiswise:
PENN STATE NITTANY LIONS
10-2 meeting michigan in big 10 championship game
schedule appears to be two speed bumps at iowa and at nebraska, ohio state at home who they beat last year in cbus after sandusky stuff hit fan ...wisconsin at home losing a ton of key players...ohio state cant play in champ game so its a two horse race
most of the starters psu losing outside of moye, still and lynn wont matter as younger more talented players ready to step in...if BOB has a creative offensive mind big 10 champ game splitting the 4 games mentioned.
for all the great joe paterno was we all at penn state knew this was his last year and we needed a fresh coaching staff regardless...joe looking down from the heavens, the best strength coach in the biz for offseason, and a refreshing start for a team a field goal shy of indy last year with one of our worst teams in 10 years.
i can feel it coming the air tonight, oh lord, i have been waiting for this moment for all my life oh lord oh lord
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#45 Posted: 2/17/2012 1:12:31 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by Laroja:
Not sure about Arkansas. They lose a lot of offense and they have to play Alabama and LSU. Arkansas @ home is a great bet but I don't think Arkansas has the talent or the depth to compete with them. I would really like USC if they had a little bit more depth and if they didn't have to play Oregon twice ( once during reg season and most likely in the pac 12 championship ). There's a good reason that USC is 10-1 I guess. Oregon returns a whole bunch of players on defense, they lose James but D'anthony Thomas sure be even better after his breakout freshman year. Darron Thomas also returns for his senior year.
Georgia should be able to win east pretty handily, they return so many starters on defense it's hardly funny. Both all conference Rambo and Jones returns into an already stacked defense. Aaron Murray is back also, crucial loses include TE Orson Charles; whose played alongside Murray since high school. Personally I think it's going to be LSU vs USC. Unless there's a big upset or if a relatively young tide defense can go into baton rouge at night and win ( unlikely), I think LSU should be able to run the table. Too much experience and depth. Plus LSU' schedule is far easy than last year's. Too bad their odds are quite low. I enjoyed your write-ups Du4l, as always.
I agree with almost everything you said.
As I have pointed out several times before, Arkansas' most glaring weakness is they simply cannot matchup in the trenches with teams like Alabama and LSU, and if anything that gap has widened not shrunk. They also do not have anywhere close tot he depth of Alabama or LSU either, and Petrino continues to strugle to attract top talent to Fayetteville.
Yes, Arkansas will catch Alabama and LSU at home next season, but I doubt it makes much difference. I don't see them winning either game.
Despite a rather favorable schedule, I think Arkansas is more likely to fall than rise next season, and I consider a futures bet on the Hogs to win any kind of a title a waste of money.
I think USC and Oregon will be very good next season, and one of them should win the conference title. Like most, I would give USC the edge. They are a very talented team backed up by an excellent coaching staff.
Like 2011, the SEC West will be another 2-team race between LSU and Alabama, with the winner of the November 3rd game taking the title.
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#46 Posted: 2/17/2012 1:18:19 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by rLp: I don't think Michigan or Wisconsin will finish in the top ten. Michigan will probably lose the opener to 'Bama. They simply don't have the horses up front imo. Although, 'Bama has lost some key players..
They have brutal road games @ ND (which they have beat ND 3 straight years in the last seconds of the game, so ND will be ready for that game) @ Nebraska and @ Ohio State (both who will have revenge on their minds). Plus, add in their in-state rival MSU, which you can never chalk up as a win. Michigan returns most of their team, and although I think they will have a better team, they will have a worst record next year due to their schedule.
One of the main reasons for Wisconsin's success this year is b/c they won the transfer sweepstakes on Wilson. Yes, Ball is coming back, but they have lost their entire O-line, best WR and have no QB on the roster who has any experience. Wisconsin was barely in the top 10 this year, and this year's team was pretty solid. I don't see how replacing all that experience, they remain in the top 10.
Excellent post, and I agree.
At this time there is nothing that would idicate to me that Michigan vs. Bama will be a competitive game. The lines I have seen thus far on that game are back up the Brinks truck type of lines.
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#47 Posted: 2/17/2012 1:22:54 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by dytide:
don't know if it would be considered a sleeper..
but I like Florida St.
I agree 100%. FSU is the most talented and complete team in the ACC, and I think they are a lock to finish in the Top 10. They'll win the ACC, and will probably be in the national championship discussion.
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#48 Posted: 2/17/2012 1:30:33 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by Boom_Boom:
40 - 1 is value. But to answer your question.... NO. I think this team will be one of the best offensive teams in the country, but until they recruit some better talent on defense they dont have a shot.
As I stated in other threads I do think the game is changing in whereas the offense is leading over the defense.. but if your defense is as bad as Clemson was... you cant be elite. You have to stop somebody at some point. If Clemson had a decent defense this past season they would easily won 12 games.... prolly went something like 13-1 or 12-2.... but even with that pitiful defense they still won 10 games. There schedule was tough too... Auburn, FSU and V.T to start the year was a tough task and all of them were ranked.... some how they won all those games. But as the year rolled on the defense just fell completely apart..
I agree with the basic proposition that offenses are generally ahead of defenses in the college game.
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#49 Posted: 2/17/2012 1:33:33 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by rLp: I love how everybody just assumes Meyer is going to "destroy" the Big Ten. Urban Meyer is a good coach, no doubt, but let's be honest here; Meyer is no different than any other coach. While at Florida, he did win 2 national championships, which is incredible, that said, he also had some mediocre seasons as well (just as any coach does). The first year coming after winning the first National Championship, when he had to re-tool his team with a sophomore in Tim Tebow. Michigan beat that team in the bowl game and Florida had 4 losses. The second time he had to re-tool his program (after he went 13-1) his team went 8-5 (And let's not forget the two seasons he went 13-1, he had one of the best QB's in football).
Meyer is good, but just as any coach, you have to re-load with talent after a good senior/junior class leaves. Meyer will recruit well at Ohio State, but just as any program, he will have his down years. Living in the hear of Buckeye Country, people just think this guy is going to walk in and win the Big Ten every year.. and think he will win a minimum of 3 NC rings. Possible? I guess. Reality? Imo, no. Let's not forget, it was Greg Mattison who was on his staff at Florida who did A LOT of recruiting for Urban. Urban went as far to say that Mattison is one of the best recruiters in the Nation (now at Michigan)..
Imo, Meyer quit on the program @ Florida. When the pressure got hot, he bolted b/c of "health" reasons. Yet, he takes a more pressure packed job at OSU? -laughable...
Plain & Simple, he saw the writing on the wall @ Florida. He went 8-5 his last season there and realized all the 4 & 5 star recruits weren't going to pan out.. and instead of staying and seeing it through, he gave up and left. Not to mention he had over 30 players arrested while at Florida.
Urban Meyer is no "God". He is a good coach, just like many in the business...
Meyer's strength is recruiting. He'll get great talent. Other than that, I agree with your assessment of him.
It'll be interesting to see what lkind of offense he will run at OSU..
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#50 Posted: 2/17/2012 1:35:32 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by whsbaseball21:
Oh and to answer the original question, in sportsbetting value is a tricky word. Arkansas may have value, but is it still a waste of money?
My book doesn't have the odds out yet, but Sportsbook has
Arky 18-1, probably good odds if you hedge the LSU game.
Bama 5-1, always good but can they repeat with losing that defense and Richardson? probably not, I'd stay away at 5-1
Georgia 12-1 Like this. I haven't researched the Bulldog returners. But if they keep a lot of the starters they can sneak by South Carolina and all that's in their way of heading to Miami is the SEC Championship game. Unload your free play on LSU or Arky there and win either way.
LSU 3.85-1. Sure, Miles is a terrible coach but he has top 5 talent every year. Don't know how a guy with that much talent has only won one national title... almost laughable. He's due for another one by now. I'd still stay away though, he'll find some way to screw up another season that's handed to him.
Oklahoma 12-1. With Ok State getting worse and none of the Big 12 improving, they're odds to win the conference. An undefeated season would land them in Miami, might be a team no one talks about until they're 6-0.
Oregon 12-1. Okay, now I still don't want to sound like a homer but I kind of like this. Everyone should agree Oregon is undefeated going into the bye week. The first tough game is at ASU, but with a new coach and system, shouldn't be a problem. With a bye week, a win at ASU, an easy win at home against Colorado, that's basically three weeks to prepare for USC in the coliseum. USC has to go to Arizona the week before the play Oregon. With Rich Rodriguez bringing the spread to Arizona I hate this. USC will get pretty much a preview of Oregon by playing their offense on a lower level the week before. If usc goes win/win in those two weeks they may be the #1 team in the nation. However, if Oregon wins every game except the USC game they're prolly in the top 5-6 going into the Pac 12 title game. If there are no unbeatens and USC wins the 2nd game against USC in a more convincing fashion than the loss earlier in the year, do they go to the natty? Depends on a whole bunch of SEC and Oklahoma variables, I understand. 12-1 is a little too low for me, but give me 18-1 and I'm all over it.
USC 8-1. All in.
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