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#1 Posted: 12/6/2010 1:12:19 PM
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been watching Oregon all my life, and Chip Kelly's philosophy is much
different than previous coaches. I can tell you, in my opinion, the
Ducks will continue to take risks against Cam Newton on defense. Chip
takes chances on defense to get the ball back to LaMichael, Darron and
company.
I don't think the question here is, "Can the Ducks stop
Cam Newton?" The question on defense is, "Can we make enough plays to
feed our tempo on offense?" The Ducks aren't a shutdown defense, and
they're not trying to fool anyone either. But, they make timely plays in
the red zone, and that's where it counts.
Can Oregon win? Yes.
Will they? It depends if they can avoid SIW (self-inflicted wounds), as
Chip would say---penalties, turnovers. Everything needs to be crisp as
it was in our Stanford route.
Most SEC teams trounce teams in
the NCS because of inferior speed on the opponents side. The Ducks are
built to fly. Can Auburn's defense handle the tempo for 4 QTRs? No one
else has.
I've always been told to only bet a live dog, and the
Ducks are definitely a live dog. Auburn hasn't played an offense with
the firepower of Oregon, and our tempo can't be replicated in practice.
Auburn may play fast, but we play faster.
Rambling aside, "Can
the Ducks stop Cam Newton?" Maybe a few times. Can Auburn stop Oregon? That's the question for Duck backers.
The Ducks wear on teams; both offensively, and defensively. We rotate 20
players on defense---our offense is used to all the snaps, and when the
opponent is getting tired late in the game, our defense is still fresh
from all the rotations. Everyone talks about how much we wear down a
defense with our tempo, but we also wear down the other teams offense by
making them play so many extra snaps. We owned the 4th QTR this year.
Defense
wins championships is out the window on 1/10/2011. Oregon will be
looking to ride their offense, as they have all year, to a title win by
setting the tempo of the game.
PS: I am a Duck fan. So, take my opinion with a grain of salt. 
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#2 Posted: 12/6/2010 1:16:22 PM
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#3 Posted: 12/6/2010 1:18:40 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by Professional1:
Oregon should not even show up they are going to get friggin raped.
Have you watched the Ducks?
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#4 Posted: 12/6/2010 1:35:10 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by SarahJPhilli:
Have you watched the Ducks?
I sure have. I live in California. Ducks last good game was against USC. It is a terrible match up for Oregon. Pryor from Ohio St dominated Oregon last yr in the Rose Bowl what do you think Cam will do? Cam is much better than Pryor. Auburn has a great run defense that will slow Oregon down. Auburn's weakness is defending the pass and that passing is not Oregon's forte.
Only decent defensive line Oregon played was against Cal and they got shut down. Auburn defensive line is superior to Cal's.
This will be the largest wager in my 15 years of wagering.
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#5 Posted: 12/6/2010 1:36:23 PM
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#6 Posted: 12/6/2010 2:00:49 PM 
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#8 Posted: 12/6/2010 2:04:06 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by Professional1:
I sure have. I live in California. Ducks last good game was against USC. It is a terrible match up for Oregon. Pryor from Ohio St dominated Oregon last yr in the Rose Bowl what do you think Cam will do? Cam is much better than Pryor. Auburn has a great run defense that will slow Oregon down. Auburn's weakness is defending the pass and that passing is not Oregon's forte.
Only decent defensive line Oregon played was against Cal and they got shut down. Auburn defensive line is superior to Cal's.
This will be the largest wager in my 15 years of wagering.
I wouldn't use Ohio State as a measuring stick, as Oregon's tempo is far superior this year. We RUN to the line between plays.
Cal slowed our tempo by faking injuries. Auburn would need to do the same to keep up with us.
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#9 Posted: 12/6/2010 2:06:58 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by captjohn67: auburn 51-31...oregon's defensive line is drastically undersized...good luck to all oregon backers
Oregon is built on speed, not size.
The bigger team doesn't always win--SEE: Boise State VS Oklahoma.
We will have a superior gameplan (easily win the coaching battle), and you have to ask yourself: how has Auburn done VS play action pass this year?
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#10 Posted: 12/6/2010 2:07:17 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by Osirus13: Oregon 75 auburn 72!!
LOL!
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#11 Posted: 12/6/2010 2:09:20 PM good luck Sarah  |
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#12 Posted: 12/6/2010 2:12:18 PM
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#13 Posted: 12/6/2010 2:12:34 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by captjohn67: good luck Sarah
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#14 Posted: 12/6/2010 2:13:40 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by Professional1:
You are biased of course you think Oregon will win.
Not true. I took Ohio State with the points last year in the Rose.
Our team this year runs a freakishly fast pace, and destroys teams in the 4th QTR both offensively and defensively.
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#15 Posted: 12/6/2010 2:15:36 PM
Your money goes up in flames. He is all they have.
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#16 Posted: 12/6/2010 2:20:15 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by SarahJPhilli:
Here's something you may not have thought about: What the heck will Auburn do if Cam Newton tweaks something like Colt McCoy did?
Your money goes up in flames. He is all they have.
Can't predict injuries i am willing to take that risk. They do have more than Newton. Dwyer their rb is a stud and Farley on defensive is dominant.
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#17 Posted: 12/6/2010 2:24:53 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by Professional1:
Can't predict injuries i am willing to take that risk. They do have more than Newton. Dwyer their rb is a stud and Farley on defensive is dominant.
Their team lives and dies on Newton. They would be no more than a .500 win team without him. You have to atleast admit that much.
I know a lot of Cal people hate Oregon, so you're just as biased as I am in my opinion, if not more.
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#18 Posted: 12/6/2010 2:24:59 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by SarahJPhilli:
Oregon is built on speed, not size.
The bigger team doesn't always win--SEE: Boise State VS Oklahoma.
We will have a superior gameplan (easily win the coaching battle), and you have to ask yourself: how has Auburn done VS play action pass this year?
I must ask a serious question. Why will you have a superior gameplan and why do you easily win the coaching battle? I have been hearing that it seems all season long. saban > chizik, spurrier> chizik, richt>chizik, etc, etc, etc.
Why is Kelly > Chizik? Statements like that don't even make any sense to me. Obviously they both know what they are doing since they are undefeated.
Play action is only as good as your run game. So the question should be will Oregon be successful running the ball. Because if the Ducks can't run the ball successfully and make Auburn respect that part of their offense, then your play action isn't going to work well.
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#19 Posted: 12/6/2010 2:26:45 PM Oregon will win by at least 10 points. 
Consider:
Auburn had to go into overtime to beat Clemson (6-6). 
Auburn beat Kentucky (6-6) by 3 points, and they lost to Tennessee (6-6) who got their butts kicked by Oregon 48-13.
Chattanooga scored 24 points against Auburn.
The Ducks score more points per game, give up fewer points, have a better punting game, fewer penalties, and score so fast that the time of possession is a joke.
Strenght of schedule? They beat a very good Stanford team by 19 points.
This isn't the same Oregon team as last year, so don't expect the same results in a bowl game.
The only way to beat Oregon is to play perfect football. I have watched Auburn enough to know they can't do that.
Jan. 11 headlines: PAC-10 beats SEC. 
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#20 Posted: 12/6/2010 2:29:01 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by atl4tigerfan:
I must ask a serious question. Why will you have a superior gameplan and why do you easily win the coaching battle? I have been hearing that it seems all season long. saban > chizik, spurrier> chizik, richt>chizik, etc, etc, etc.
Why is Kelly > Chizik? Statements like that don't even make any sense to me. Obviously they both know what they are doing since they are undefeated.
Play action is only as good as your run game. So the question should be will Oregon be successful running the ball. Because if the Ducks can't run the ball successfully and make Auburn respect that part of their offense, then your play action isn't going to work well.
Gene Chizik is lucky Auburn paid to bring in Cam Newton. Without Cam Newton, he is on the hot seat and on the outs. He hasn't had a gameplan worth anything this season; he's just had the best player in the country saving him week in and week out.
The Ducks will run the ball. We are unlike anything anyone has ever seen before offensively. If you stop us on 1st down, we could break off a big play on 2nd or 3rd down (and even 4th down!). Our scheme and tempo can't be replicated.
Chip Kelly is the superior coach because he revolutionized the way we look at the spread offense. Cam Newton revolutionized the way you look at Gene Chizik.
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#22 Posted: 12/6/2010 2:30:08 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by SarahJPhilli:
Their team lives and dies on Newton. They would be no more than a .500 win team without him. You have to atleast admit that much.
I know a lot of Cal people hate Oregon, so you're just as biased as I am in my opinion, if not more.
You are making the same huge mistake I've heard on a weekly basis regarding Newton and Auburn. Auburn O is not a 1 man show. What Newton does is elevate the offense to another level because of his freakish talents.
But the real reason the Auburn offense is so successful is the o-line. You have 4 four year starters. That is the real key that lets Newton shine.
You take away Cam and the offense would still put up nice numbers and score points, just not the freakish weekly stats they do with him.
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#23 Posted: 12/6/2010 2:30:58 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by 1969USC: Oregon will win by at least 10 points.
Consider:
Auburn had to go into overtime to beat Clemson (6-6).
Auburn beat Kentucky (6-6) by 3 points, and they lost to Tennessee (6-6) who got their butts kicked by Oregon 48-13.
Chattanooga scored 24 points against Auburn.
The Ducks score more points per game, give up fewer points, have a better punting game, fewer penalties, and score so fast that the time of possession is a joke.
Strenght of schedule? They beat a very good Stanford team by 19 points.
This isn't the same Oregon team as last year, so don't expect the same results in a bowl game.
The only way to beat Oregon is to play perfect football. I have watched Auburn enough to know they can't do that.
Jan. 11 headlines: PAC-10 beats SEC.
I think Auburn is the most improved team from the beginning of the year until now; most week over week improvements. I'll give them that respect.
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#24 Posted: 12/6/2010 2:31:22 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by SarahJPhilli:
Their team lives and dies on Newton. They would be no more than a .500 win team without him. You have to atleast admit that much.
I know a lot of Cal people hate Oregon, so you're just as biased as I am in my opinion, if not more.
Yes I agree without Cam Auburn would not be very good.
I have no hate for Oregon so you are wrong. By the way if that is you in your avatar you are quite attractive and maybe we can arrange for a side bet!
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#25 Posted: 12/6/2010 2:34:14 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by atl4tigerfan:
You are making the same huge mistake I've heard on a weekly basis regarding Newton and Auburn. Auburn O is not a 1 man show. What Newton does is elevate the offense to another level because of his freakish talents.
But the real reason the Auburn offense is so successful is the o-line. You have 4 four year starters. That is the real key that lets Newton shine.
You take away Cam and the offense would still put up nice numbers and score points, just not the freakish weekly stats they do with him.
You've gotta be joking. Cam Newton is your offense, you could atleast admit that much.
What was their record last year without him? 8-5? And I'm sure they played a few token SEC 2A opponents, too, to bump up their record.
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