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Posted: 12/3/2010 11:08:11 PM
will TCU jump Auburn and go to the BCS title gm, or will Auburn still have enough strength of sched and voters approval to stay ahead of TCU?

personally, while i think TCU's a great team with an impressive undefeated record, i don't see how Auburn can be kept out, especially if it's a close loss to south carolina

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Posted: 12/3/2010 11:11:20 PM
What if they both lose? What if Oregon lose and Auburn win?
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Posted: 12/3/2010 11:16:03 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by damotz1974:

What if they both lose? What if Oregon lose and Auburn win?


if they both lose, i think it will be Auburn and TCU in the title gm,

if Oregon loses, i think TCU will jump them and play Auburn in the gm
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Posted: 12/3/2010 11:16:44 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by damotz1974:

What if they both lose? What if Oregon lose and Auburn win?


Auburn is clear #1 because of sched strength which Oregon doesn't have, Oregon's sched strength is not very good, barely better than TCU's
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Wisconsin gets in
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Posted: 12/3/2010 11:26:38 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Bling:

Wisconsin gets in


sorry Sir but STANFORD would get in over Wisky because they are ranked higher in the BCS standings and they are both done playing for the yr 

BCS Standings
1Auburn2Oregon3TCU4Stanford5Wisconsin11-1

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Posted: 12/3/2010 11:28:58 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by gridironguy:

will TCU jump Auburn and go to the BCS title gm, or will Auburn still have enough strength of sched and voters approval to stay ahead of TCU?

personally, while i think TCU's a great team with an impressive undefeated record, i don't see how Auburn can be kept out, especially if it's a close loss to south carolina

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if they lose a REALLY close game in which they play well ....they have a slim to decent chance
anything else > Frogs go
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Posted: 12/3/2010 11:32:37 PM
What if Auburn wins by 1 pt....and Oregon wins by 50?.....
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Posted: 12/3/2010 11:33:17 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by bookieassassin:



if they lose a REALLY close game in which they play well ....they have a slim to decent chance
anything else > Frogs go


most of the BCS gurus i have heard think that if Auburn loses a close gm at the end where they play well, they will have a PRETTY GOOD chance to go, like over 50% compared to TCU

it's not slim to decent like you think.  the perception of the SEC plus how hard it is to beat a good team twice in the same season (which Aub has to do by beating SoCaro twice) will help Aub a lot even if they lose.  the sched strength of Aub with 5 wins over Top 25 teams + perception of SEC being so strong will probably be enough to put them in title gm even if they lose in a close gm.

if they get beaten by like 10 pts or more, they are out, TCU is in
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Posted: 12/3/2010 11:35:19 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Mr_Knuckles:

What if Auburn wins by 1 pt....and Oregon wins by 50?.....


then it doesn't change, auburn and oregon go to the BCS title gm but oregon goes as #1 team, auburn #2

same thing basically.  we're talking about scenarios if aub loses.  aub could very well lose, they are only favored by 5 against a team that already played them tough in auburn's hm field.

oregon is a freaking 16 1/2 pt favorite!!!
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Posted: 12/3/2010 11:38:19 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Mr_Knuckles:

What if Auburn wins by 1 pt....and Oregon wins by 50?.....


dude, we're talking about what happens if auburn loses, which could happen. aub is only favored by 5 over a team that played them tough in aub already. oregon is favored by 16 1/2 over an average team. 

if oregon dominates oreg st and aub struggles to beat socaro, then oregon will move to #1 and aub will move to #2 for the big gm, but trust me, you don't want to go into the bcs title gm as the #1 team, most #1 teams lose the bcs title gm
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Posted: 12/3/2010 11:49:01 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by gridironguy:



most of the BCS gurus i have heard think that if Auburn loses a close gm at the end where they play well, they will have a PRETTY GOOD chance to go, like over 50% compared to TCU

it's not slim to decent like you think.  the perception of the SEC plus how hard it is to beat a good team twice in the same season (which Aub has to do by beating SoCaro twice) will help Aub a lot even if they lose.  the sched strength of Aub with 5 wins over Top 25 teams + perception of SEC being so strong will probably be enough to put them in title gm even if they lose in a close gm.

if they get beaten by like 10 pts or more, they are out, TCU is in


2 of the primary BCS "experts" ......seem to be Brad Edwards at ESPN and BCS nerd Jerry Palm......both say they (should be) out....most likely
     * ESPN article....

What happens if Auburn loses Saturday?

November, 29, 2010
Nov 29
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The more I look at the current BCS standings and the more I converse with ESPN’s BCS guru, Brad Edwards, the more convinced I am that Auburn needs to win this weekend in the SEC championship game to get a shot at the national championship.

I doubt that causes much of a ripple in the Auburn camp. I’m sure the Tigers plan on winning. After all, they’ve done so for 12 straight games this season.

But if they were to lose a close game to South Carolina and finish 12-1, I think the Tigers would then be on the outside looking in when those final BCS standings are released next Sunday.

Edwards, who tracks the BCS for ESPN, thinks Auburn would have only about a 10 percent chance of staying in one of those top two spots in the final BCS standings if the Tigers were to lose to the Gamecocks in a closely played game.

Keep in mind that all this goes out the window should Oregon lose to Oregon State.

But Edwards believes that Auburn would definitely fall behind TCU to No. 3 in both of the human polls and could fall even further with both Wisconsin and Stanford playing well down the stretch.

Still, if Auburn were to stay ahead of Wisconsin and Stanford in the human polls and not drop any further than No. 3, Edwards said the Tigers might then have an outside shot to hang on. The Tigers were No. 1 in all of the computers this week.

“Auburn should stay ahead of TCU in most of the computers, and if the Tigers managed to remain at No. 1 in a couple of computers, that could make things interesting,” Edwards said.

At the end of the day, Edwards just doesn’t see Auburn being No. 3 on most of the ballots following a loss in the final game of season.

It’s hard to argue that, too, even though the Tigers would still have a strong case. They have more wins (5) over teams in the top 25 of the BCS standings than anybody else in the country right now. That compares to only one for TCU, which beat No. 20 Utah.

The killer for the Tigers would be losing that final game before the ballots are turned in. Historically, voters simply haven’t been willing to reward a team that loses that late (especially in its conference championship game) unless several other teams at the top of the polls also lose. Oregon is the only other team that plays Saturday. Stanford, TCU and Wisconsin are all finished.

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Posted: 12/3/2010 11:59:42 PM
neither team loses because each conference will lose too much money if that happens. Its that simple. The NCAA does not want TCU playing for a national championship under any circumstances.
100 ML parlay pays 66 not bad seeing Oregon is -725 ML.
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Hard to keep TCU out of there. That being said, Boise St will have many sleepless nights asking..."What if...?" One friggin FG and it would be them playing a team they have handled before (Oregon) for all the marbles, and not a TCU team they have also trounced before.

It's the last game of the year, and not a good time to lose. Can't argue with TCU's luck lately. Do they get even more lucky?

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neither team loses because each conference will lose too much money if that happens. Its that simple. The NCAA does not want TCU playing for a national championship under any circumstances.
100 ML parlay pays 66 not bad seeing Oregon is -725 ML.

Finally someone here speaks the 100% facts about both of these games tomorrow...TCU backers just need to get it through their heads that no one wants this "little sister" team in any kind of BCS bowl...money is money....and TCU would not generate near enough interest...period

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Posted: 12/4/2010 1:40:01 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Quantum_Leap:

Hard to keep TCU out of there. That being said, Boise St will have many sleepless nights asking..."What if...?" One friggin FG and it would be them playing a team they have handled before (Oregon) for all the marbles, and not a TCU team they have also trounced before.

It's the last game of the year, and not a good time to lose. Can't argue with TCU's luck lately. Do they get even more lucky?



if oregon and auburn both win, boise woulda been left out of the big game anyway.  and just so you know, the oregon team they beat in opening game 09 was nowhere near as good as the oregon team right now, also, boise did not trounce TCU last yr in the bowl, they only won by 7, and the year before TCU beat boise in the san diego holiday bowl
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Posted: 12/4/2010 1:42:19 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by chilitokid:

neither team loses because each conference will lose too much money if that happens. Its that simple. The NCAA does not want TCU playing for a national championship under any circumstances.
100 ML parlay pays 66 not bad seeing Oregon is -725 ML.


bullshit, the games are not fixed.  if they were, then butler would not have been in the ncaa basketball champ gm versus duke last spring, and boring teams like ohio st in 2002 would never make it.  the best teams on the field make it.  the calls in football are too much in the open to call bullshit penalties.  everyone will know it's fixed. 

if south carolina is the better team tomorrow, they will win, believe that, nothing will stop them, not even the officials
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Posted: 12/4/2010 1:42:47 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Wiscobadgers:

Finally someone here speaks the 100% facts about both of these games tomorrow...TCU backers just need to get it through their heads that no one wants this "little sister" team in any kind of BCS bowl...money is money....and TCU would not generate near enough interest...period



bullshit, the games are not fixed.  if they were, then butler would not have been in the ncaa basketball champ gm versus duke last spring, and boring teams like ohio st in 2002 would never make it.  the best teams on the field make it.  the calls in football are too much in the open to call bullshit penalties.  everyone will know it's fixed. 

if south carolina is the better team tomorrow, they will win, believe that, nothing will stop them, not even the officials
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QUOTE Originally Posted by gridironguy:



Auburn is clear #1 because of sched strength which Oregon doesn't have, Oregon's sched strength is not very good, barely better than TCU's


 Check the Sagarin ratings........UO's schedule is about the same as Auburns......dont know where people get these weird ratings.
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Auburn is in either way

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Auburn is in either way

1 loss Auburn is more exciting than TCU--as a fan the nation wants to see Cam Newton.

TCU is no cinderella, and that bullshit story won't make for a good game. Oregon will have to prove themselves. I predict another PAC10 meltdown--I believe the last was USC's loaded team falling to Vince Young's scramble. Oregon being favored will be a tremendous broohahaha...

I see TCU or Auburn beating Oregon's "fluid offense."

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what will happen is what should happen.... if you dont win your conference you dont deserve to be in the national championship game. oregon v tcu
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QUOTE Originally Posted by gamblingallday:

what will happen is what should happen.... if you dont win your conference you dont deserve to be in the national championship game. oregon v tcu

 Probably right......however unpopular it may be
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Current Sagarin ratings....

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt10.htm?loc=interstitialskip
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I believe the term is called "CLUSTER darn".......
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