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Posted: 10/12/2010 6:10:59 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Zander47:

Who cares. Stop comparing an 05 team that doesn't resemble anything that today's BSU team is. Your points are just silly. Others seem to agree that most of what you say is rubbish or non-standing with this years team.
Exactly. That 05 boise team hadnt gotten to the level it is today. This is about this group of boise players. Im sure they were a huge dog to georgia that day. Hawaii has nothing to do with boise either. Hawaii was a one man show. All passing. Boise is a far different team than 2007 hawaii
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Posted: 10/12/2010 6:13:37 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by jimmydafreak:

Boise winning with pretty much zero NFL prospects o their roster would surpass that travesty.  At least BYU had guys on that team that went on to play in the NFL.



both Boise State wide receivers will be drafted in the NFL according to mel kiper jr!
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Posted: 10/12/2010 6:19:46 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by jimmydafreak:

Last ime Bosie was suppose to be a title contender and they play an SEC team, they lost by 5 TDs.  When another WAC team, Hawaii, was suppose to ba a title contender and they played an SEC team, they lost by 5 TDs.  I think the SEC is just bored and has lost interest.

 

At the risk of beating this to death, that Hawai'i team was a whole different animal.  Didn't they have near-misses at San Jose and La Tech?  I think they were also an ATS disaster - meaning that they underperformed expectations repeatedly. They were not an elite team, just an undefeated one.  They were shown for what they were in the Sugar Bowl.  Boise, on the other hand, is legit.  I'm not saying they're the best team in the country, though I think they'd drill Ole Miss and Florida. That Oklahoma win changed their whole trajectory.  They're bigger, faster and deeper than that 2005 team you keep bringing up.

This whole thing is like diving.  Boise's degree of difficulty isn't very high, so it has very little margin for error.  Not only can't they lose, they have to look good while winning.  The SEC teams have a higher degree of difficulty, so they get to stay in the conversation with one loss, maybe even two (though not this year), or a crappy win or two.  It is what is.

Again, I'm generally on the OTHER side of this argument. However, when you look at how average teams like Texas and Florida have been this year, I think you do Boise an injustice by simply assuming out of hand that they're just "not in that league."  I think they're a lot more in that league than you think (and I hate them!).

 

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Posted: 10/12/2010 6:21:39 PM
and what diff. does an NFL prospect on the team have to do with it.. Tommy Frazier was a stud leading Neb to a Nat'l Champ,,didnt see him lighting up the NFL. Tim Tebow led Flor,so far he is doing anything in the NFL,,and Lsu's qb has been seen in the leaders of NFLs qbs.  It doesnt matter if a team isnt loaded with NFL prospects to make them good.
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Posted: 10/12/2010 7:53:43 PM
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Wheels, calm down. The guy is completely correct.

Lets not defend a bad opinion just because the guy has been here for a while.




DON'T TELL ME TO CALM DOWN BRAH
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Posted: 10/12/2010 8:16:41 PM
   I also do not think the 2010 Boise team would have 2-3 losses in the SEC....I think they could lose to Bama, Auburn, or South Carolina...but figuring how schedules work they would only play two of those teams or have 2 of those games at home..
   This is all speculation obviously, but as I said, I think this years Boise team could go undefeated in any conference...I am not saying it would be easy, but I think it would be possible...Kellen Moore has lost one game in three years...I don't care what league, that is impressive...
   Combine that with the experience and athleticism(yes Boise has athletes), and they could run the table in any conference...
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Posted: 10/12/2010 8:18:33 PM
There is no way that people can say Boise would go unbeaten in the SEC with a straight face. That is just lunacy
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Posted: 10/12/2010 9:50:27 PM
   I didn't say Boise would go unbeaten if they played in the SEC, I said they could...and I really believe that..I think Boise could go to Bama, South Carolina, and Auburn and win consecutive games, but that is just my opinion..I am a Gator fan by the way, and the Gators would get bounced by Boise home or away....But it's not going to happen anyway, so the point is moot....
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Posted: 10/12/2010 10:05:28 PM
why not TCU?  Boise's last loss was TCU in '08 bowl game, TCU dominated that game.  TCU gave away game last year v Boise in '09, in my opinion....which was TCU's last loss since '08 at Utah, who went 13-0 and beat Ala.....maybe it should be Boise v TCU for the grudge match in 10'!!??
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Posted: 10/12/2010 10:11:29 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by JakeLake720:

   I didn't say Boise would go unbeaten if they played in the SEC, I said they could...and I really believe that..I think Boise could go to Bama, South Carolina, and Auburn and win consecutive games, but that is just my opinion..I am a Gator fan by the way, and the Gators would get bounced by Boise home or away....But it's not going to happen anyway, so the point is moot....

No, no they wouldn't do any of that.
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Posted: 10/12/2010 10:34:54 PM
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No, no they wouldn't do any of that.
FL would get killed. They are a mess whether you wanna believe or not
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Posted: 10/12/2010 10:37:22 PM
Boise State couldn't even "kill" Oregon State in a prime time setting at home where they HAD to win big. Yet they will dominate an SEC schedule and make real football programs like Florida look bad? lol seriously you have to be trolling at this point.
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Posted: 10/12/2010 10:42:10 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by jwheels86:

Boise State couldn't even "kill" Oregon State in a prime time setting at home where they HAD to win big. Yet they will dominate an SEC schedule and make real football programs like Florida look bad? lol seriously you have to be trolling at this point.
Im saying 1 on 1 matchup only. If you think FL would destroy Oregon State, you are delusional
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Posted: 10/12/2010 11:05:46 PM
Uh yeah, as much as it kills me to say, Boise would beat Florida anywhere they played....Florida is one dimensional on offense this season, and would have trouble scoring more than 10 points on Boise...I am optimistic as a Gator fan, but it is time to get real my man...I tell it like I see it...
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Posted: 10/13/2010 12:43:08 AM
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Thats a bunch of BS Jimmy,,the last time Boise was a title contender was last year and they went 14-0. We are not talking about 2005 when geo beat them 48-13 and Boise was just 9-4 that year,they were not title contenders that year. I am not saying they are the best team in the country,as well as I'm not saying Bama,Ohio St Ore Neb Okl or any other team is the best in the country right now either.  All I am saying is if Boise goes undefeated again this year for the 2nd cons year,they deserve a shot.  Nobody gave them a shot when they played #7 Okl as 7 pt underdogs in the 06 Fiesta bowl,yet Boise won 43-42. Agani not many gave them a shot when they played unbeaten #3 TCU in the 09 Fiesta bowl as 7 pt underdogs again,yet Boise won 17-10 . The last couple years Boise has been so far unbeaten,so give them a shot if they finish this year that way.

I stand corrected.  You are correct when you say Boise was not a national title contender, and they were't because the BSC completely shut teams from non-BCS schools out of the picture.  The discussion back then was to open the BCS up to non-BCS conference schools like Boise so they could get a shot at the national title.  Nevertheless, the argument was pretty much the same back then as it is now.

In 2002 Boise was 12-1 with their only loss being a 4 TD behind-whoopin' to Arkansas.  In 2003 they were 13-1 with their only set-back being a 2-point loss to Oregon State (fortunately Boise didn't have to play an SEC team that year).  Because of their 25-2 record the previous 2 years, the pre-season hype surrounding Boise in 2005 was enormous.  Accordingly they were only a 7-point dog to Georgia - pretty ridiculous really.  So no they weren't title contenders in '05 because Georgia quickly disabuse the college football world of that silly notion just like Virginia Tech should have done this season.  They were clearly the better team.

I understand what you are saying, but if you don't play a big boy schedule and you don't have big boy talent, you cannot possibly king of the big boys.  As Adam Vinatieri says, "to be the best, you've got to beat the best," and Boise can't beat the best because they don't play the best.  If Boise did play the best, they would get their behind handed to them just like they have the past.

TCU would not fare well against top tier competition either.  They are also not a top 10 team.  So beating them means very little.

 

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Posted: 10/13/2010 12:50:33 AM
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Who cares. Stop comparing an 05 team that doesn't resemble anything that today's BSU team is. Your points are just silly. Others seem to agree that most of what you say is rubbish or non-standing with this years team.

I wasn't the one who brought up the past.  A previous poster have repeatedly argued that because Boise beat Oregon last season, they are better than Oregon this season.  So I followed their absurd logic by bringing up the fact that Boise has played 2 middle of the road SEC teams in the 21st century, and they lost by 4 TDs and 5 TDs respectively.  And if they played a decent SEC team this year the result would be similar.

My points are not silly, they are undisputable facts.  Moreover, they trump your points because as of now you have failed to make any.  And the reason you most likely have not made a point is becasue you have none to make.

 

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Posted: 10/13/2010 12:53:26 AM
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Who cares. Stop comparing an 05 team that doesn't resemble anything that today's BSU team is. Your points are just silly. Others seem to agree that most of what you say is rubbish or non-standing with this years team.

This year's team is very much like previous Boise teams.  They recruited the 80th best talent back then, and there are still recruiting the 80th best talent now.  They haven't been able to stay within 4 TDs of an SEC team then, and probably can't stay within 4 TDs of a good SEC team now.

 

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Posted: 10/13/2010 1:05:23 AM
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Exactly. That 05 boise team hadnt gotten to the level it is today. This is about this group of boise players. Im sure they were a huge dog to georgia that day. Hawaii has nothing to do with boise either. Hawaii was a one man show. All passing. Boise is a far different team than 2007 hawaii

The '05 Boise team was a 7 point dog to Georgia after they were being hyped in the preseason as a BCS contender.  Many Boise koolaid drinkers on this very board were backing Boise in that game and predicting a straight up victory.  I gave the inferior talent speach then as I am doing now and was laughed at.  The laughter didn't last long.

The 07 Boise team lost to Hawaii by 2 TDs.  Many pundits then were hyping Hawaii as the new Cinderella national title contender that year.  It is comparable because both were suppose to be able to play with the big boys until they lost by 5 TDs.  Nothing has changed between now and then.  Boise is still a candy-behind WAC team who consistently recruits the 80th best talent in the nation.  And when or if they face teams with world-class talent, the result will be similar.  Nothing has changed

 

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Posted: 10/13/2010 1:08:18 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by jimmydafreak:

Boise would lose to about 10-15 teams in the country on neutral field, and most of those games would not be competitive.  Every team they would face would pretty much have superior talent across the board.

What Boise has going for them is experience and coaching.  Both of those are huge factors, but it would not be enough against top teir teams.  Anyone who watch the Virginia Tech game could see that the Hokies should have won that game by 2 TDs, and if they played again today they would get beat by that much.

Boise had to do almost nothing on their own to jump out to a 17-0 lead in the first quarter.  Those points came solely on unforced errors by Tech (not anything Boise did).  They also got the benefit of 40 yards of field position on their game-winning drive on two absolutely ridiculous calls by the refs. So the Tech does not show why they should be in the title game, it shows why they should not.

In the SEC alone there are probably 7 teams that Boise would not beat, and if Boise had to play the other 5 bottom teams they might go 3 & 2.

So just in the SEC alone they would be no better than the 8th best team in the conference.

They also would not be a top team in the Big 10, Big 12 or the PAC 10 or the ACC.  I think they would have a fighting chance in the Big Least however.

The bottom line is that beating Virginia Tech in no way qualifies them for a shot at the title, no more than it qualified Bama last season when they completely dominated Tech in the first game of the season.  Any suggestion to the contrary is patently absurd.

 



Are you friggin serious? The only team that would/should be a favorite over Boise on a neutral field is Bama, and that by 6 or less. I would take them over ANY other SEC team this year. To say they couldnt beat Miss, Miss St, Kentucky, Tennesee, Vanderbilt, Florida, LSU Auburn, Arkansas and Florida is just retarded. They would have the better coach, qb and winning attitude over all these schools. They are more disciplined and dont beat themselves. How many Boise players in the news for going to jail?......Hell, I'll take them over Bama in a bowl game too.....


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Posted: 10/13/2010 1:21:18 AM
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At the risk of beating this to death, that Hawai'i team was a whole different animal.  Didn't they have near-misses at San Jose and La Tech?  I think they were also an ATS disaster - meaning that they underperformed expectations repeatedly. They were not an elite team, just an undefeated one.  They were shown for what they were in the Sugar Bowl.  Boise, on the other hand, is legit.  I'm not saying they're the best team in the country, though I think they'd drill Ole Miss and Florida. That Oklahoma win changed their whole trajectory.  They're bigger, faster and deeper than that 2005 team you keep bringing up.

This whole thing is like diving.  Boise's degree of difficulty isn't very high, so it has very little margin for error.  Not only can't they lose, they have to look good while winning.  The SEC teams have a higher degree of difficulty, so they get to stay in the conversation with one loss, maybe even two (though not this year), or a crappy win or two.  It is what is.

Again, I'm generally on the OTHER side of this argument. However, when you look at how average teams like Texas and Florida have been this year, I think you do Boise an injustice by simply assuming out of hand that they're just "not in that league."  I think they're a lot more in that league than you think (and I hate them!).

I know that you and many others say subjectively Boise is legit, but what I see is the same Boise teams that get hyped every year that would have no chance against top tier competition.  Virginia Tech is not a top tier team, and after watching that game you cannot honestly say they are a better team than Tech.  I have watched that game 4 times, and that game proves to me beyond any doubt whatsoever they cannot hang with top tier competition.  Had VT not shited themselves and spotted Boise 17 points off of unforced errors in the 1st quarter, Tech cruises to a perfunctory 2 TD victory.

If Boise had to play a SEC West conference schedule with their current depth and talent, they would win 2-3 conference games max.  There is no way they could withstand the pounding.

 

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Posted: 10/13/2010 1:21:26 AM
Jimmy, It is laughable that you rank Boise 80th in the country in terms of talent. Boise has good athletes all over the field....I really don't know what games you have been watching this season to say Boise has the 80th most talented team in the country?

I really wish Boise had Georgia on the schedule this season...I would give you the Bulldogs +28 and call it a day...and a win for me as well...
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Posted: 10/13/2010 1:59:35 AM
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both Boise State wide receivers will be drafted in the NFL according to mel kiper jr!

Correct.  WR Titus Pettis is currently projected as a 2nd-3rd round draft pick, and WR Titus Young projects as a 3rd.  They have a couple of others that could work their way into the bottom of the draft - DE Ryan Winterswyk & SS Jeron Johnson.  Their kicker Kylr Brotzman could possibly get a tryout too, but I doubt anyone will use a draft pick on him though.

 

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Posted: 10/13/2010 2:01:14 AM
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and what diff. does an NFL prospect on the team have to do with it.. Tommy Frazier was a stud leading Neb to a Nat'l Champ,,didnt see him lighting up the NFL. Tim Tebow led Flor,so far he is doing anything in the NFL,,and Lsu's qb has been seen in the leaders of NFLs qbs.  It doesnt matter if a team isnt loaded with NFL prospects to make them good.

Because the teams that have the best players usually win, and Boise is a long way from having the best players.

 

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Posted: 10/13/2010 2:07:54 AM
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why not TCU?  Boise's last loss was TCU in '08 bowl game, TCU dominated that game.  TCU gave away game last year v Boise in '09, in my opinion....which was TCU's last loss since '08 at Utah, who went 13-0 and beat Ala.....maybe it should be Boise v TCU for the grudge match in 10'!!??

I agree that TCU is better than Boise.  I'm not a big Andy Dalton fan, but I think TCU is more talented overall.

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Posted: 10/13/2010 2:27:57 AM
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   I didn't say Boise would go unbeaten if they played in the SEC, I said they could...and I really believe that..I think Boise could go to Bama, South Carolina, and Auburn and win consecutive games, but that is just my opinion..I am a Gator fan by the way, and the Gators would get bounced by Boise home or away....But it's not going to happen anyway, so the point is moot....

Not only would Boise not win any of these games, they wouldn't even be competitve.

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