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Posted: 1/25/2013 10:12:05 PM
they will never win a WS with Freddie Gonzalez as their manager.
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Posted: 1/25/2013 10:21:39 PM
honestly detroit i think you're right. I myself am not a fredi fan. I hope you're wrong
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Posted: 1/25/2013 10:26:44 PM
He's clueless as to how to manage a pitching staff and a bullpen.  He'll never win anything.  He can join the ranks of the Jim Leylands of the world.
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Posted: 1/25/2013 10:35:08 PM
amen i'm tired of Leyland won't pick the tigers high as long as he's the manager
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Posted: 1/25/2013 10:59:53 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by packers1992:

amen i'm tired of Leyland won't pick the tigers high as long as he's the manager


back for another year!  he's like an infection that has infested for so long and you cant get rid of it.  I dont think I can take another year of this
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Posted: 1/26/2013 2:01:41 PM
i was done after the galarraga game. If that was me i would've gotten thrown out and yelled right in joyce's face. I can understand why he didn't probably didn't want to start a riot but i was done with him right then. i'm tired of Illitch spending on Fielder and such. i'm just done
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Posted: 1/26/2013 9:52:18 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by packers1992:

i was done after the galarraga game. If that was me i would've gotten thrown out and yelled right in joyce's face. I can understand why he didn't probably didn't want to start a riot but i was done with him right then. i'm tired of Illitch spending on Fielder and such. i'm just done


Illitch wants to win. Fielder is far better than the option at 3B such as Brandon Inge.
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Posted: 1/26/2013 10:05:45 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Detroit84:

He's clueless as to how to manage a pitching staff and a bullpen.  He'll never win anything.  He can join the ranks of the Jim Leylands of the world.



Jim Leyland does have a World Series Championship ring.
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Posted: 1/27/2013 9:53:19 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by packers1992:

i was done after the galarraga game. If that was me i would've gotten thrown out and yelled right in joyce's face. I can understand why he didn't probably didn't want to start a riot but i was done with him right then. i'm tired of Illitch spending on Fielder and such. i'm just done

Mike Illitch is one of the best owners in sports hands down. Having lived through Tom Monahagn and William Clay Ford, to be sick of Mr I is crazy. Sure we all love to second guess signings, but an owner who spends to try and win is always better than an owner who doesn't care and hoards the money. He doesnt overly meddle with team like Jerry Jones. When Illitch moves on and the Tigers fall back to a payroll level that is appropriate for a team of their revenues everyone will be clamoring for the Illitch Years. The star power on this team is awesome. The line up 1-6 is downright scary. The starting pitching is the best in the AL. Yes the infield defense blows and I wish they could find a replacement at SS. A good range guy in that spot would go along ways. This team did go the World Series last year, it was a successful season. This have to win it all or it was a bust mentality is ridiculious, it sets you up for many disappointing years with maybe a couple of Championships in your lifetime. Hopefully this is the year to win in it all, the window is now for this team and it would stink to not get a World Series win, but at least the organization is doing everything they can to win. We went through so many years of hopelessness in the 90's and early 2000's until Illitch was able to figure things out and get a solid organization intact. If anything that was his biggest fault as Tigers Owner, he didn't go out and get a baseball version of Jimmy Devellano right away and it took him too long to get the ship sailing in the right direction. Anyhow, hate Leyland all you want, second guess him like we all do, but he is a smart baseball man. He is going to make some good and some not so good decisions, but in the end the 25 guys on the roster will determine how far they go.
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Posted: 1/27/2013 5:52:57 PM

tigermike i have great respect for you but i'm sorry i'm done with leyland. I'm tired of his attitude i'm tired of his in game strategy. And i'm sorry mike winning a pennant doesn't do a damn thing for me. I want a title they failed

Partly due to Illitch signing a 280 pound 1B who won't cut his hair and look presentable you know like the face of the franchise. I'm tired of Miguel Cabrera and his attitude and taking strike 3 in the world series. Note to Miggy if you're gonna strike out SWING THE FREAKING BAT!!! I'd get rid of both Cabrera and Fielder

But instead Illitch will spend more money and still be a loser. I love the Tigers but things need to change their losing me. Maybe i'm the only 1 who thinks this way But its time for a change in Motown.

FYI Dombrowski as well. Mike i respect you but you won't change my mind

Hell i'm contiplating not watching the tigers this year at all. Its the same crap all the time

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Posted: 1/27/2013 6:29:03 PM
Total respect for you too packers, you are one of the few others on here I find to be a knowledgeable fan and not just a degenerate gambler. Real fans will never agree on everything. I can understand the Leyland frustration for sure, sometimes he is very frustrating.
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Posted: 1/27/2013 6:41:28 PM
Tigermike I agree with a lot of what you said but to say you have the best starting pitching in the AL is nonsense. Just saying that is far fetched. I like the Tigers and hope to see them succeed but it is a pitcher friendly park so dont try and talk to much about numbers. But you do have the best pitcher in the game. If I need a game 7 starter and could choose from anyone give me Verlander 
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Posted: 1/27/2013 6:53:54 PM
How is it non sense? Verlander Fister Scherzer Sanchez, what rotation is hands down better? There are certainly other teams that are in the discussion, but I can make an argument for Detroit. Debatable sure but far from nonsense. Nonsense would be arguing the Indians rotation is the best in the league.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 3:29:34 PM
tiger they have a great rotation but would say phils wit hamels, halladay and lee is better  verlander is hands down the best pitcher in the league tho wit halladay a close 2nd
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Posted: 1/28/2013 7:25:31 PM
Rotations better than detroit in my opinion or at least as good as. (If you woulda said one of best staffs in AL I would not have argued by the way, but the best is nonsense.




Tampa
Toronto (Maybe the best with 2 legitimate aces)
Angels
Texas 
White Sox and Yankees are close



I think Oakland and Seattle are good but benefit too much from a pitchers park.






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Posted: 1/28/2013 7:33:01 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by packers1992:

tigermike i have great respect for you but i'm sorry i'm done with leyland. I'm tired of his attitude i'm tired of his in game strategy. And i'm sorry mike winning a pennant doesn't do a damn thing for me. I want a title they failed

Partly due to Illitch signing a 280 pound 1B who won't cut his hair and look presentable you know like the face of the franchise. I'm tired of Miguel Cabrera and his attitude and taking strike 3 in the world series. Note to Miggy if you're gonna strike out SWING THE FREAKING BAT!!! I'd get rid of both Cabrera and Fielder

But instead Illitch will spend more money and still be a loser. I love the Tigers but things need to change their losing me. Maybe i'm the only 1 who thinks this way But its time for a change in Motown.

FYI Dombrowski as well. Mike i respect you but you won't change my mind

Hell i'm contiplating not watching the tigers this year at all. Its the same crap all the time



How is Andrew Miller and Cameron Maybin doing?
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Posted: 1/28/2013 10:38:07 PM
whats your point edge? The Tigers window is closing maybe its shut. I just don't like 95% of the roster
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Posted: 1/28/2013 10:40:34 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by NoWorries21:

Rotations better than detroit in my opinion or at least as good as. (If you woulda said one of best staffs in AL I would not have argued by the way, but the best is nonsense.




Tampa
Toronto (Maybe the best with 2 legitimate aces)
Angels
Texas 
White Sox and Yankees are close



I think Oakland and Seattle are good but benefit too much from a pitchers park. 


We are so far apart on rotation evaluation, I dont even know where to start... If I W's even going to debate a better rotation than the Tigers I would have started with the Nationals or Dodgers, and you didn't even mention them. Blue Jays definitely in the mix, the continued development of Morrow and if Romero can find some consistency being their keys. Tampa is solid but the White Sox Angels and Rangers don't make my top 5 let alone enter into a discussion for the best.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 10:43:10 PM
Actually I see you were sticking with just AL so disregard my National League teams in that post above...still Toronto Oakland Tampa before Whitesox Rangers or Yankees in my opinion.
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Posted: 1/29/2013 12:11:37 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by packers1992:

whats your point edge? The Tigers window is closing maybe its shut. I just don't like 95% of the roster


What is my point? You said you would get rid of Cabrera! The guy is one of the best hitters in the game, and his defense isn't that bad. You want Miller and Maybin? Take them and you would be fired as the GM! 95% of the roster are you serious?

Jackson - Great trade for the Tigers. Who knows maybe Granderson would have left after free agency. I would rather take a younger guy and maybe a better defensive outfielder too. Sure, he doesn't have the pop but who cares? Granderson isn't that much better than Jackson.

Infante - Best second baseman since Polanco! You still want Sizemore, Inge, or Raburn. Please.

Peralta - Is what it is. I wish Castellanos was practicing SS.

Cabrera- MVP, triple crown, might have his head on straight from his drinking problems.

You want Inge here?

Hunter - What is wrong with him?

Dirks - Love his hustle.

Berry - excites the team if he makes it.

What don't you like about the starting pitching?

Relief pitching - Should be fine. I'm a huge fan of the Amazing Al.

I do miss Van Skyle. Coaches and managers may not be the best. I'm 26 years old and remember as a kid, how bad the Tigers were. At least they're not like the Royals, Pirates, etc right now. Quiet being in such a stubborn mood.

Don't watch the games if you don't want to. You don't HAVE to wager on this team. But, because Cabrera didn't swing a strike three you must be a Inge supporter because he struck out on a ball in the dirt. What about 2006 Granderson slipping in the outfield. Want him back? You probably don't like Jackson.

Leyland can be blamed at times but sometimes it is players showing up and performing. They made the World Series twice under Leyland and both times the Tigers swept the ALCS.

Game 1: Verlander versus Reyes in 2006. Where is Reyes now? Baseball is a funny game. Anything can happen and that is what makes this sport so great. Please don't be offended by any of this. I'm just standing up for my team.
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Posted: 1/29/2013 7:30:55 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Tigermike1975:

Actually I see you were sticking with just AL so disregard my National League teams in that post above...still Toronto Oakland Tampa before Whitesox Rangers or Yankees in my opinion.
You said AL so therefore I stayed in AL. You cant look at simple wins or loses, ERA, etc. 

Let me give you an example. The Rangers held their opponents to the least amount of runs in the league with a total of 10 or higher. 2nd was the Yankees. The large reason is they play in hitters ball park. While Detroit Oakland, Tampa,extreme pitcher friendly. Numbers are very deceiving in my opinion. And for you to say Toronto is "In the mix" is comical. Johnson is a number 1 on over 50% of the staffs in the country and he is their number 2. Romero would be a #2 a lot of places and he is a number 5. Toronto going into season is best in AL. That being said that staff will underachieve this year in my opinion.
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Posted: 1/29/2013 7:41:45 PM
Well Buster Olney agrees with me, I think I will stick by my assessment... That's why baseball is great, the best of the four sports. Great debates, we will see how it plays out.
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Posted: 1/29/2013 8:07:56 PM
What is comical is your assessment of Rickey Romero. Did you watch a game that he pitched last year?. He was wildly inconsistent, led the league in walks I believe, and had an era over 5 and was negative in WAR. The 2011 Romero was a star in the making. The 2012 version was horrible. I do like JJ if he can stay healthy and his arm is right his stuff is nasty. Buehrle just does his job game in and game out, solid pro. We all know how the knuckle ball can come and go. I love Dickey, great story, but who knows how he willed receive he will be in 2013. Safe to say he will regress some coming off such a great season. Morrow was awesome but injuries limited him to 20 or so starts. If everything comes together it wouldn't surprise me to see them be the best, but they have question marks just like everyone.
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Posted: 1/29/2013 8:17:55 PM
Sorry for the typos, I can't talk on the phone and type at the same time very well anymore I guess.
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