Giants +157 & +1.5 @ -115/Write up

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Posted: 10/24/2012 2:06:19 PM
A's dont have tigers payroll 
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Posted: 10/24/2012 2:08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by bbkdta:

A's dont have tigers payroll 

Payroll means nothing.

You can spend all you want but you still have to play the game and win it on the field.

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Posted: 10/24/2012 2:14:48 PM

If the Tigers get beat by Zito and/or Vogelsong who all of a sudden is the new Cy Young they don't deserve to win.Lollipop man Zito could give up 7 runs and 5 walks at a drop a hat.Cy Vogelsong has pitched well at home but on the road I expect a total hammer job.

Really not a Tiger backer but this friggin Giant worship is getting really stupid IMO!

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Posted: 10/24/2012 2:16:07 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by jsab:

If the Tigers get beat by Zito and/or Vogelsong who all of a sudden is the new Cy Young they don't deserve to win.Lollipop man Zito could give up 7 runs and 5 walks at a drop a hat.Cy Vogelsong has pitched well at home but on the road I expect a total hammer job.

Really not a Tiger backer but this friggin Giant worship is getting really stupid IMO!



About as stupid as the Justin Verlander can't lose campaign.
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Posted: 10/24/2012 2:21:22 PM
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Originally Posted by bbkdta:

A's dont have tigers payroll 

 

This is meaningless argument. The Tigers didnt have nearly the Yankees payroll @ ~$200M. Look at some of the big salaries that didnt do $h!t in that series...

 

 

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Posted: 10/24/2012 2:22:32 PM
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Originally Posted by bbkdta:

A's dont have tigers payroll 

1. Yankees - made playoffs

2. Phillies - missed

3. Red Sox - missed...fired manager....cleaning house

4. Angels - missed

Just because a team has a high payroll means nothing. There is negative impacts as well. What if a player doesn't produce? It is very difficult to trade him or anything else. Look at Soriano for example how is he doing? The Cubs want to trade him but can't due to a bad contract....goes both ways..always not a receipe for success.

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Posted: 10/24/2012 2:23:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Amazatron:



About as stupid as the Justin Verlander can't lose campaign.

I will agree with that one as Verlander can lose just like anyone else.There is no lock in any sport anymore Too much parity but all I am saying is that I think the Giant worship is overblown. Its just my opinion. As for betting purposes I have no interest in the game and/or series but as a bettor if I were betting I would be on the Giants at plus money as well.But to me its a toss up either way.

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Posted: 10/24/2012 2:29:59 PM
Giants +1.5 : best bet. Team is red hot right now and everything is clicking. Fans are energizing the whole team. World series experience as well.  Tigers have had a week off which is THE WORST thing for a playoff baseball team, this isn't football, the excess rest hurts. Giants at home +1.5
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Posted: 10/24/2012 2:53:22 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by EastOakland:

Ehh, I think the Cardinals have a better line up in the playoffs than New York 10 fold. New york always chokes in the playoffs. Verlanders cool, but more pressure is on him on the road. Thats no good.



LOL Ya New York ALWAYS chokes in the playoffs.Enlighen me how many WS titles do the Yankess have??
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Posted: 10/24/2012 2:54:31 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Absolutxedge22:

So, you only want to list the bad players and nothing positive?  That is fine. How about this then....Marco 5/23 with 8 strikeouts. Huff a player that might come off the bench to pinch hit 3/17 with 2 strikeouts. How about even if some of the Tigers players have struggled against Zito might give them an advantage because they're able to make adjustments. How can a team who hasn't seen a lot of Verlander in person going to do? I would say that is advantage pitcher.

Ummmm i didnt include those because i wasnt talking about that players doing WELL against Zito, nor was i talking about Giants hitters against Verlander.  I was talking about the Tigers struggling against Zito lifetime.  As soon as im off work i am throwing together info on both sides for anyone thats interested.

something to help your argument is that Zito has over a 5 ERA when tonights home plate umpire is behind the dish. 

more and more i look into it, the more i like the over. 

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Posted: 10/24/2012 2:55:36 PM
Who has a better chance of failing tonight Verlander or Zito?Zito of course!!
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Posted: 10/24/2012 3:04:12 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Absolutxedge22:

Payroll means nothing.

You can spend all you want but you still have to play the game and win it on the field.



Agreed - team cohesion with solid talent beats a team of highly priced stars - money helps but is not the key factor by a long way
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Posted: 10/24/2012 3:23:57 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by BetsUnlimited:

Ummmm i didnt include those because i wasnt talking about that players doing WELL against Zito, nor was i talking about Giants hitters against Verlander.  I was talking about the Tigers struggling against Zito lifetime.  As soon as im off work i am throwing together info on both sides for anyone thats interested.

something to help your argument is that Zito has over a 5 ERA when tonights home plate umpire is behind the dish. 

more and more i look into it, the more i like the over. 

But don't think it is better when struggling against someone and knowing how he pitches you versus someone the Giants haven't seen much in as Verlander? If a batter hasn't seen a pitcher often...advantage pitcher. Good luck tonight either way....I'm off to the casino to play some Baccarat. I will be back around midnight....see all of you then for some more discussion.

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Posted: 10/24/2012 5:41:59 PM

I know you are just making good points Absolutx, no problem with you either. I can tell you know and love baseball just as much as I do.

I do have to say though the reason I brought up the Tigers path to the WS was because this is a gambling thread and we are analyzing every aspect. I am not taking anything away from them because they had to play who they had to play, we can change anything about that. I mean they swept the Yankees, they couldnt do anything better than that. I just feel that the AL has been soft for a couple years and especially so this year. In that sense, I still think this team is a WS contender regardless, they have a great staff. I love Verlander and Fister. Not a big fan of Sherzer, but he is pitched well. We will see how they fare, also Verlander could be blamed for the home field advantage, which matters because AT&T has a great atmosphere and it is extremely loud when the opposition is struggling. Verlander is a great pitcher and it is hard to go against him, but as a TEAM I like the Giants at home with the momentum and the value is great.

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Posted: 10/24/2012 5:43:42 PM
BAY ALL DAY! LETS GET IT EAST
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Posted: 10/24/2012 5:46:03 PM

Dont even start the payroll conversation especially with the A's being a serious contender with the last place payroll. That garbage matters, but thats not a discussion for this thread.

Im not sure if the under is a the safest bet because it could get dicey out there with pitchers getting pulled early. Some weird defensive plays. 6.5 is low, but we will see. I dont play sides because I think it's not smart.

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Posted: 10/24/2012 5:47:58 PM
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Originally Posted by rydahJ05:

BAY ALL DAY! LETS GET IT EAST

 I like that Cal hat. You know they make NFL hats in New Era now.

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Posted: 10/24/2012 6:02:58 PM
verlander has been so damned dominant i'd be concerned....sitting this one out   it aint easy    
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Posted: 10/24/2012 6:08:35 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by LockBurger:

Giants +1.5 : best bet. Team is red hot right now and everything is clicking. Fans are energizing the whole team. World series experience as well.  Tigers have had a week off which is THE WORST thing for a playoff baseball team, this isn't football, the excess rest hurts. Giants at home +1.5
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Posted: 10/24/2012 6:21:19 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by EastOakland:

 I like that Cal hat. You know they make NFL hats in New Era now.



Sure do!
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Posted: 10/24/2012 6:23:40 PM
Your prognosis is good if you're on the Giants, which you are. However for those on Verly and the Tigers, your prognosis means absolutely nothing and quite frankly the Tigers play like they don't give a garbage when they go to the plate as well, so the guy from the old age home may get a rude welcoming in game 1. 
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Posted: 10/24/2012 6:25:41 PM
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Originally Posted by WinSeeker:

Does anyone know how flight affects pitchers? Verlander could not travel until Game 7 was over since he won't know his destination before then.  Zito has the rest advantage for this game.  Thoughts?

 DO YOU THINK HIS ARMS ARE TIRED FROM FLYING TO SF?

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Posted: 10/24/2012 6:36:34 PM
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Posted: 10/24/2012 6:38:58 PM
Wow, got to say you do not know baseball bro.  No offense, played most of my life and being the World Series should me EVERYTHING, not nothing.  Big time players make big time plays on big time stages. If anything he comes out a little keyed up.  Either starter could be a litte erradic the first inning but will settle in.  I'll take Verlander anytime vs a Zito in this spot.  His last outing in the Series means not a damn thing and saying SF "dont give a fk" is retarded!  They feel it just like any other athlete does in this spot.  Yes, they feel I'm sure it's house $ to a certain extent but they are still professionals, PERIOD.  I will repsectfully disagree here with your logic.
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