| Author: |
[MLB Betting] Topic: Late Sharp Money on KC |
|
DrLump |
View Space | Blog | Friends | Playbook | |

Rookie
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 872
Location: Nevada |
#26 Posted: 6/23/2012 1:49:41 PM I'm stopping posting in this thread NOW, as I do not want to be another covers over-cap victim.
STL -126
KC TT 4
Good Luck to all and see some of you in a future KC or STL sucks thread. Ha....Ha... |
|
quote |
|
slowphenomenon |
RSI  View Space | Friends | Playbook | |

Veteran
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 1631
Location: Canada |
#27 Posted: 6/23/2012 1:52:58 PM let's start an in game at 2:10, should be interesting let us all make money |
|
quote |
|
SteveA2009 |
RSI  View Space | Blog | Friends | Playbook | |

Veteran
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 2629
Location: Maryland |
#28 Posted: 6/23/2012 1:55:30 PM My thoughts on the game:
1) First of all, I think there is a public assumption that St Louis is a better team than KC that is built in to all the lines these teams play. But since their 20-11 start, the Cardinals are 16-24. Since their 3-14 start, the Royals are 27-23. So for 40 or 50 games, the Royals have been the BETTER team of the two. One huge difference is the bullpen, where KC has a 2.99 ERA and St Louis is over 4, despite the Cardinals playing most of their game in a league where pitchers hit.
2) At this point, if you still want to back St Louis, you ahve to ask yourself, has Wainwright been good enough and consistent enough to take as a road favorite. My standards for taking a road favorite are pretty darn high. It's my least favorite type of bet to make.
3) These two pitchers met Sunday and KC won 5-3 (it was 2-1 St Louis when the starting pitchers left, and the superior bullpen prevailed in the close game). And that game was in St Louis.
All in all, I wouldn't touch St Louis today. THey're on the road, not necessarily the better team, with the weaker bullpen, and while they do have the better starting pitcher, this is 2012 Adam Wainwright with an ERA of 4.46, not the dominant pre-Tommy John surgery pitcher. Cap him accordingly, until he actually returns to form.
|
|
quote |
|
LanceLogan |
RSI  View Space | Blog | Friends | Playbook | My Sportsbook: bet365 | |

Veteran
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 4767
Location: British Columbia |
#29 Posted: 6/23/2012 1:58:03 PM Late line movement isn't always sharp money, sometimes it's last minute lineup changes. |
|
quote |
|
TILTOLOGIC |
RSI  View Space | Blog | Friends | Playbook | |

Veteran
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 4354
Location: Uganda |
#30 Posted: 6/23/2012 1:59:43 PM nothing sharp about it amigo |
|
quote |
|
|
|
Skubishack |
RSI  View Space | Blog | Friends | Playbook | |

All-Star
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 14624
Location: Antarctica |
#31 Posted: 6/23/2012 2:11:48 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by SteveA2009:
My thoughts on the game:
1) First of all, I think there is a public assumption that St Louis is a better team than KC that is built in to all the lines these teams play. But since their 20-11 start, the Cardinals are 16-24. Since their 3-14 start, the Royals are 27-23. So for 40 or 50 games, the Royals have been the BETTER team of the two. One huge difference is the bullpen, where KC has a 2.99 ERA and St Louis is over 4, despite the Cardinals playing most of their game in a league where pitchers hit. You are jiggling numbers... Comparing KC's L-50 to STL's L-40 for wins and losses... ALSO the Cards are a +58 run differential to KC's -33 despite STL not having a DH for EVERY game so we can flip that ERA stat also into a STL has better bats stat.
2) At this point, if you still want to back St Louis, you ahve to ask yourself, has Wainwright been good enough and consistent enough to take as a road favorite. My standards for taking a road favorite are pretty darn high. It's my least favorite type of bet to make. OK... So you're a member of the club also who thinks the same as everone else... including me.
3) These two pitchers met Sunday and KC won 5-3 (it was 2-1 St Louis when the starting pitchers left, and the superior bullpen prevailed in the close game). And that game was in St Louis.
I watched that game... Odds are KC fails in 9 of 10 similar situations.
All in all, I wouldn't touch St Louis today. THey're on the road, not necessarily the better team, with the weaker bullpen, and while they do have the better starting pitcher, this is 2012 Adam Wainwright with an ERA of 4.46, not the dominant pre-Tommy John surgery pitcher. Cap him accordingly, until he actually returns to form. STL is 19-19 on the road and KC is 11-21 at home.
Can spin it anyway you want... It all just come down to who you feel better with putting your $$ on... nothing else matters really.
Good Luck (with the O's also)  |
|
quote |
|
wizardofroz |
View Space | Blog | Friends | Playbook | My Sportsbook: BetJamaica.com | |

Captain
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 5285
Location: Kentucky |
#32 Posted: 6/23/2012 2:22:14 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by LanceLogan:
Late line movement isn't always sharp money, sometimes it's last minute lineup changes.
However, late money tells you something is usually amiss, and I hate betting AGAINST it. If I like a game earlier in the day, and the line goes crazy before game-time, I will just PASS all together.
Whether it turns out to be correct or not, late line movement scares the crap out of me. Just when you think you are getting line value, you find out 2 key players are out of the line-up or a pitcher had soreness while warming up after it is too late, and your bet is looking awful. |
|
quote |
|
jo14014 |
RSI  View Space | Friends | Playbook | |

Veteran
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 2835
Location: United States |
#33 Posted: 6/23/2012 2:27:49 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by slowphenomenon:
I was really liking wainwright and stl to get out of their road funk, the price is better but should the line movement scare me.  |
|
quote |
|
LETGOPACK1234 |
View Space | Blog | Friends | Playbook | My Sportsbook: GTbets.eu | |

Captain
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 7548
Location: Illinois |
#34 Posted: 6/23/2012 4:05:09 PM Sharp money   |
|
quote |
|
DrLump |
View Space | Blog | Friends | Playbook | |

Rookie
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 872
Location: Nevada |
#35 Posted: 6/23/2012 4:23:46 PM Two runs pls. KC for the Middle/Middle/Diddle and over 9.5.
Thanks in Advance,
D. Lump |
|
quote |
|
DrLump |
View Space | Blog | Friends | Playbook | |

Rookie
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 872
Location: Nevada |
#36 Posted: 6/23/2012 4:43:26 PM Relying on KC to even muster up two runs, much less one run is comical. Thanks KC for being KC! Two on 2nd/3rd and yet another flopped plate appearance that goes from 3-0 to strikeout. Great job Quintero. |
|
quote |
|
LETGOPACK1234 |
View Space | Blog | Friends | Playbook | My Sportsbook: GTbets.eu | |

Captain
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 7548
Location: Illinois |
#37 Posted: 6/23/2012 4:47:42 PM I just need 1 for the over....these .5 runs losses day after day are out of contol... |
|
quote |
|
DrLump |
View Space | Blog | Friends | Playbook | |

Rookie
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 872
Location: Nevada |
#38 Posted: 6/23/2012 4:51:52 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by LETGOPACK1234:
I just need 1 for the over....these .5 runs losses day after day are out of contol...
And when it bumped to 10 +100...I tried to get that as a safety...but too late. Looks like this one is 7-2. |
|
quote |
|
LETGOPACK1234 |
View Space | Blog | Friends | Playbook | My Sportsbook: GTbets.eu | |

Captain
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 7548
Location: Illinois |
#39 Posted: 6/23/2012 4:53:50 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by DrLump:
And when it bumped to 10 +100...I tried to get that as a safety...but too late. Looks like this one is 7-2.
I have had 4 straight days with a .5 loss on an over when the teams had 3 or more innings to score....this is getting out of control |
|
quote |
|
DrLump |
View Space | Blog | Friends | Playbook | |

Rookie
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 872
Location: Nevada |
#40 Posted: 6/23/2012 4:54:10 PM I want the STL ML for tomorrow NOW!!!! The sweep is on!!!!! |
|
quote |
|
DrLump |
View Space | Blog | Friends | Playbook | |

Rookie
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 872
Location: Nevada |
#41 Posted: 6/23/2012 4:59:39 PM Muther guy should be on 3rd with a 1st & 3rd no out. Damn it! Over 9.5 pls. |
|
quote |
|
LETGOPACK1234 |
View Space | Blog | Friends | Playbook | My Sportsbook: GTbets.eu | |

Captain
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 7548
Location: Illinois |
#42 Posted: 6/23/2012 5:01:18 PM Finally  |
|
quote |
|
DrLump |
View Space | Blog | Friends | Playbook | |

Rookie
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 872
Location: Nevada |
#43 Posted: 6/23/2012 5:01:34 PM Hot Damn! We got us an OVERRRRRRR!!!!!! Now all I need is KC to get two in bottom of 9th. Wait....did I ask for KC to get two runs in an inning...my bad! |
|
quote |
|
DrLump |
View Space | Blog | Friends | Playbook | |

Rookie
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 872
Location: Nevada |
#44 Posted: 6/23/2012 5:05:38 PM Dear KC....I'm about to head out to a party and would really like to see you people get two run's in the bottom of the 9th, pls.
darn You Very Much & Very Truly Yours,
D. Lump |
|
quote |
|
kimoinsd808 |
View Space | Friends | Playbook | |

Veteran
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 3105
Location: |
#45 Posted: 6/23/2012 5:14:41 PM Thank you "sharps" for pounding KC and making it cheaper for me to pound the Cardinals. 
|
|
quote |
|
hoopsvader |
View Space | Friends | Playbook | |

Veteran
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 3015
Location: Djibouti |
#46 Posted: 6/23/2012 5:16:34 PM whats the next sharp play
|
|
quote |
|
slowphenomenon |
RSI  View Space | Friends | Playbook | |

Veteran
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 1631
Location: Canada |
#47 Posted: 6/23/2012 5:49:50 PM why are people making sharp jokes, i just noticed a line move, and yes they lost today, i just asked a question. glad to talk about it. |
|
quote |
|
hoopsvader |
View Space | Friends | Playbook | |

Veteran
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 3015
Location: Djibouti |
#48 Posted: 6/23/2012 5:57:27 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by slowphenomenon:
why are people making sharp jokes, i just noticed a line move, and yes they lost today, i just asked a question. glad to talk about it. this is from switchtalk:
books
create fake line movement all the time to mess with line watchers.
theres a good portion of players who chase linemovement on games hoping
to be on the 'sharp' side. the books use this to create the illusion of
sharp money. You see it in NFL lines all the time. (im not saying what
you are always seeing is fake)
the line either moves with you or against you. there is no
"reverse" because of the presumed public side. if its not fake steam created by the books, it is simply
the books adjusting their lines to money coming in. there is no
"reverse" per se.
The entire idea of
RLM is created by people who assume they are betting on a sharp side,
which can be manipulated by nudging the dog or favourite line slightly
towards a different number
weve already discussed how
percentages on gambling sites of where money is going are fraudulent;
yet people still use them to infer public and sharp sides based on line
movement.
As well, the line might
make a small movement based on certain money getting increased respect
from books; Some Joe betting $1000 on a game doesnt move the line, while
a respected regular of the industry laying down $1000 means alot more
to them; and they may adjust accordingly
Basically; the line is moving because: a)
fake steam to grab people who infer sharp money or
b) it is JUST line movement created by the books adjusting to attempt
to balance action. (there is no
"reverse")
this post and the ideas within are very disjunct here; im in
rush to type before heading out to work, so i hope it makes a lick of
sense
|
|
quote |
|
rangerz2478 |
View Space | Blog | Friends | Playbook | |

All-Star
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 13591
Location: New Jersey |
#49 Posted: 6/23/2012 6:00:07 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by hoopsvader: this is from switchtalk: books
create fake line movement all the time to mess with line watchers.
theres a good portion of players who chase linemovement on games hoping
to be on the 'sharp' side. the books use this to create the illusion of
sharp money. You see it in NFL lines all the time. (im not saying what
you are always seeing is fake)
the line either moves with you or against you. there is no
"reverse" because of the presumed public side. if its not fake steam created by the books, it is simply
the books adjusting their lines to money coming in. there is no
"reverse" per se.
The entire idea of
RLM is created by people who assume they are betting on a sharp side,
which can be manipulated by nudging the dog or favourite line slightly
towards a different number
weve already discussed how
percentages on gambling sites of where money is going are fraudulent;
yet people still use them to infer public and sharp sides based on line
movement.
As well, the line might
make a small movement based on certain money getting increased respect
from books; Some Joe betting $1000 on a game doesnt move the line, while
a respected regular of the industry laying down $1000 means alot more
to them; and they may adjust accordingly
Basically; the line is moving because: a)
fake steam to grab people who infer sharp money or
b) it is JUST line movement created by the books adjusting to attempt
to balance action. (there is no
"reverse")
this post and the ideas within are very disjunct here; im in
rush to type before heading out to work, so i hope it makes a lick of
sense

|
|
quote |
|
slowphenomenon |
RSI  View Space | Friends | Playbook | |

Veteran
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 1631
Location: Canada |
#50 Posted: 6/23/2012 6:03:11 PM understand everything you said, and i never claimed of reverse line movement, i simply stated that there was a large move towards the KC side late in the game which seemed to lure more STL money. nice post though hoopsvader |
|
quote |