The AL East is so stacked

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Posted: 3/30/2012 11:54:47 PM

That the 3rd best team in the division, be it Boston, Tampa or Toronto could legitimately be better then any team in the entire national league. Now I wouldnt have said that if Philly had both Howard and Utley in the lineup but with them down I would take both Boston or Tampa over them right now.

Atlanta?

I think this is the strongest this division has maybe ever looked, especially if the Jays take the jump to around a 90 win team.

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Posted: 3/31/2012 9:44:30 AM
There will be no team in the AL East that wins more than 94 games.

Every team is so good that they will just beat up on eachother. Thats why I think it will be close to impossible to see the 2nd wild card come out of this division.
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Posted: 3/31/2012 9:59:27 AM
So, you want to just concede the division to the Yankees, huh? None of the others could push the Yankees into 2, 3, or (God forbid!) 4?

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Posted: 3/31/2012 10:02:10 AM
u can always make arguments, but when it boils down, i am always right.
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Posted: 3/31/2012 10:23:46 AM
I don't think the red sox are gonna be as good as people think............. 
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Posted: 3/31/2012 10:37:44 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Delpo:

That the 3rd best team in the division, be it Boston, Tampa or Toronto could legitimately be better then any team in the entire national league. Now I wouldnt have said that if Philly had both Howard and Utley in the lineup but with them down I would take both Boston or Tampa over them right now.

Atlanta?

I think this is the strongest this division has maybe ever looked, especially if the Jays take the jump to around a 90 win team.




Good thread.  Was talking yesterday to a friend on this exact subject.  He doesn't wager and never looks at gambling lines (GA for 15+ yrs).  When I told him what the Las Vegas season win totals were for the AL East, his chin was on the floor.  He swears the Yankees are going to win 100 games easy and that both Toronto and Boston would be in the mid 90's.  But you're exactly right, the competition is so damned tough, how is anybody supposed to break 93-94 wins?
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Posted: 3/31/2012 11:56:31 AM
good thread? are u joking? delpo lacks logic and intelligence. 

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Posted: 3/31/2012 12:40:00 PM
It would be just about impossible to have the Yankees at 100 wins and the Sox/Jays in the mid 90s. And lets say the Rays are at 84 wins (I think they finish no worse than 3rd)

Over the past 3 years the intradivision records of those teams above are:

Yanks: 122-94 (.565)
Sox: 120-96 (.556)
Jays: 98-118 (.454)
Rays: 124-92 (.574)

For the Yanks to win a 100 they need a win % .617
Sox 94 wins: .580
Jays 94 wins: .580
Rays 84 wins: .519

If you use their 3 year intradivision winning percentage:

Yanks: 40
Sox: 40
Jays: 33
Rays: 41

So their out of division win percentage would have to be:

Yanks: 60 wins (.667)
Sox:  54 wins (.600)
Jays: 61 wins (.678)
Rays: 43 wins (.478)

Unless you think every team is going to win 2 out of 3 games, outside of hte division, that is the only way for there to be 3 teams win 94+ games in the AL East.

It will not happen. As I said a few years ago 90 wins might be what wins the division in the AL East.

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Posted: 3/31/2012 12:48:35 PM
Why couldn't the Yankees finish 3rd is my question, Is that old squad head and shoulders above the rest of the East ??
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Posted: 3/31/2012 12:52:39 PM
4 teams in the same division over 90 wins ?? Do you smoke crack??
They will beat up on each other and there are some good teams in the other divisions.. Angels, Rangers, Tigers will also do some damage vs these teams and the inter league play can cause some problems...
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Posted: 3/31/2012 1:15:16 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by stopweeping:

4 teams in the same division over 90 wins ?? Do you smoke crack??
They will beat up on each other and there are some good teams in the other divisions.. Angels, Rangers, Tigers will also do some damage vs these teams and the inter league play can cause some problems...

Where did I say 4 teams with over 90 wins?

I said the Jays could jump too "around" a 90 win team. That could mean 87, 88, 89 etc wins.

If the standings finish 1. Yankees 2. Tampa 3. Boston 4. Toronto I think you could easily make the argument that Boston is just as good as any team in the national league this season.

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Posted: 3/31/2012 1:50:21 PM
locked on yankees OVER 92.5 wins,,hard lean on the UNDER for the phils at 93- sometimes the square side is the RIGHT side--get ya some 
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Posted: 3/31/2012 2:01:09 PM
In a way I hope the betting world shares Delpo's view. That would give us 5 bettable teams. On the Orioles and fade the rest. Opportunity knocks if you know what you are looking for.

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Posted: 3/31/2012 2:28:48 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by nc1capper:

locked on yankees OVER 92.5 wins,,hard lean on the UNDER for the phils at 93- sometimes the square side is the RIGHT side--get ya some 


Who is a reliable pitcher outside of CC?

Nova is good but can he keep up his success with a low k/9 and high LOB% to go along with out pitching other peripherals?

Pettitte what can you really expect out of him?

Kurodo, going ot the AL East after pitching in the most pitcher friendly division in the league.

Pineda might not even make the rotation and then theres hte possibility he has an injury.

Garcia had a good year last year but can he replicate it this year?

Can you rely on Hughes, I have always been a fan of but believe he needs a change of scenery to prosper?

And then take into account Arod, Jeter, Tex are all declining and have been for a few years now.
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Posted: 3/31/2012 2:51:10 PM
Well if the Jays "could" jump up to 90 wins and you predict they finish 4th, wouldn't the 3 teams ahead of them have more than 90...
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Posted: 3/31/2012 2:56:53 PM
QUOTE

Originally Posted by stopweeping:

Well if the Jays "could" jump up to 90 wins and you predict they finish 4th, wouldn't the 3 teams ahead of them have more than 90...

Not necessarily. I said around, meaning that could be anywhere from like 86-90. They could easily finish with 87 wins and say Boston with 89. I also never said it was a fact that Boston would finish ahead of them. I could see the Jays finish with more wins then Boston and finish in 3rd this season. If I had to rank teams today I would rank Yankees/TB/BOS/TOR but if the Jays get close to the 90 win mark they could overtake one of team teams in front.

I dont even understand why this is being debated tho. Nowhere in my original post did I say the Jays WOULD win 90 games or that 4 teams in the division would be in the 90+ win range. I said that you could make the argument that whoever places 3rd in the division could be a better team then anyone in the NL. Watching Philly today and this brutal offence, I dont understand how Vegas can by so high on them, regardless of there pitching staff or not.

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Posted: 3/31/2012 4:11:17 PM
Jpero are you still hating on the yanks these days? They will win 93 games this year, no matter who pitches and the O's well the cellar again.
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Posted: 3/31/2012 4:52:23 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by yankees2k6:

Jpero are you still hating on the yanks these days? They will win 93 games this year, no matter who pitches and the O's well the cellar again.
thank you, thank you, thank you. Guys that think pitching doesn't matter are a big help. God bless.
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Posted: 3/31/2012 5:51:52 PM
You could make that argument but youd be wrong.
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Posted: 3/31/2012 6:22:57 PM
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Originally Posted by NJDevils:

You could make that argument but youd be wrong.

Oh ya?

Whos the best team in the National League?

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Posted: 3/31/2012 6:57:22 PM
by far the toughest division
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Posted: 3/31/2012 10:15:14 PM
O's = roadkill. Rest:

Rays
Yanks
Jays
Sawx

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Posted: 3/31/2012 11:38:54 PM
I don't get the Yankee love either.  The only place they're clearly the best in the division is the bullpen.  Arod and Jeter are on big time decline.  You could make a legitimate argument that the Jays have a better offense.  
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Posted: 4/1/2012 12:56:40 PM
i like how this guy says "entire national league"

lol 





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