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#26 Posted: 7/29/2011 9:57:36 PM
Wonder how much cash? Enough to trade for a reliever like Adams? |
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#27 Posted: 7/29/2011 10:01:20 PM
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#28 Posted: 7/29/2011 10:03:40 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by The Giant:
Most likely.
But the Phillies didn't fail to get past the Giants last year because of lack of pitching. It was due to lack of offense.
Nobody can convince me that the problem for the Phillies last season was "lack of offense". You could have had the All-Star team as your lineup...but you ran into a buzzsaw. Halladay, Hamels and Lee allows you to keep pace with buzzsaw pitching. |
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#29 Posted: 7/29/2011 10:04:47 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by The Giant:
You're probably right, too much luck involved in baseball.
If given the option, and could only choose one. Would you pick both Philly and Boston in the World Series, or Philly and Boston out of the World Series?
I would probably go with.....out.
I'd go with out too, no doubt |
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#30 Posted: 7/29/2011 10:06:12 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by totalguy:
Don't pencil in the Phillies into the WS just yet. They still look as clueless now as they did last Oct against Giants' starters not named Zito.
darn outa here!!!!! Doc and Mr Lee getting their rings this year!!!! book it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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#31 Posted: 7/29/2011 10:07:10 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by Sparky10191:
Nobody can convince me that the problem for the Phillies last season was "lack of offense". You could have had the All-Star team as your lineup...but you ran into a buzzsaw. Halladay, Hamels and Lee allows you to keep pace with buzzsaw pitching.
Giants did seem like a team of destiny last year, sorry for the cliche
But his point was and its true, the pitching wasn't the problem last year.....although Halladay got roughed up a little in Game 1 (he was hurt and was getting squeezed....in fairness Lincecum was getting squeezed too)
Pence will help, no doubt.....should help with the spot itself/himself, and should help Howard too |
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#32 Posted: 7/29/2011 10:08:12 PM |
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#33 Posted: 7/29/2011 10:09:34 PM |
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#34 Posted: 7/29/2011 10:19:23 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by Sparky10191:
The money was to keep the Phillies under the luxury tax.
If you told me 7-10 years ago, that the Phillies would be the NL Yankees, I would've never believed it 
(I know they only won 1 Championship, so no need for you all to jump all over me......I mean as far as spending and going after the big names) |
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#35 Posted: 7/29/2011 10:20:31 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by Sparky10191:
Nobody can convince me that the problem for the Phillies last season was "lack of offense". You could have had the All-Star team as your lineup...but you ran into a buzzsaw. Halladay, Hamels and Lee allows you to keep pace with buzzsaw pitching.
I think the pitching was pretty comparable last season in the playoffs with the Giants. The Phillies just couldn't get any timely hitting, and even with Hunter Pence, it doesn't guarantee they will, but it certainly doesn't hurt.
I guess you would make the Giants the favorite over the Phillies again this season. Their starting pitching is still intact, after all.
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#36 Posted: 7/29/2011 10:22:27 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by Iveycheats:
Giant, if you could bet on at least one of Boston or Philly in the Series, would you take that bet?
I think you have to take one of them getting in. They're both certainly going to make the playoffs, and then you figure they'll be the favorite in each series.
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#37 Posted: 7/29/2011 10:23:11 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by Iveycheats:
If you told me 7-10 years ago, that the Phillies would be the NL Yankees, I would've never believed it
(I know they only won 1 Championship, so no need for you all to jump all over me......I mean as far as spending and going after the big names)
The Phillies go for it more than the Yankees. The Yankees throw money at players in the offseason and pride their farm system too much. You guys are throwing your farm system a everyone who will listen. I have no problem with it at all. |
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#38 Posted: 7/29/2011 10:23:20 PM  |
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#39 Posted: 7/29/2011 10:26:42 PM |
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#40 Posted: 7/29/2011 10:28:23 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by Sparky10191:
The difference between the Yanks/Philles right now is that you had a worthy player available who could fit a need. The Yankees need a starter and there just isn't anybody worthy of giving away top prospects for.
Yeah, unless its Felix, I guess..........you don't like Ubaldo? |
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#41 Posted: 7/29/2011 10:29:28 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by Sparky10191:
The difference between the Yanks/Philles right now is that you had a worthy player available who could fit a need. The Yankees need a starter and there just isn't anybody worthy of giving away top prospects for.
In 2013, you guys will probably own Jered Weaver.
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#42 Posted: 7/29/2011 10:32:42 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by The Giant:
I think the pitching was pretty comparable last season in the playoffs with the Giants. The Phillies just couldn't get any timely hitting, and even with Hunter Pence, it doesn't guarantee they will, but it certainly doesn't hurt.
I guess you would make the Giants the favorite over the Phillies again this season. Their starting pitching is still intact, after all.
So if the pitching was comparable...you are telling me that the Giants (who some say had the worst offense ever to win a Championship) was better than the Phillies' offense?
The Phillies were the better team last year. They were the best team in baseball. BETTER than the Giants. The Giants were just clicking at the right time. I know for sure that won't happen this year. Lee + Halladay + Hamels (+ Oswalt?) will win you the National League and probably the World Series this year and maybe next year too. |
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#44 Posted: 7/29/2011 10:36:09 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by The Giant:
I think you have to take one of them getting in. They're both certainly going to make the playoffs, and then you figure they'll be the favorite in each series.
I'm not sold on the Red Sox.
Don't sleep on Texas.
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#45 Posted: 7/29/2011 10:37:29 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by Sparky10191:
So if the pitching was comparable...you are telling me that the Giants (who some say had the worst offense ever to win a Championship) was better than the Phillies' offense?
The Phillies were the better team last year. They were the best team in baseball. BETTER than the Giants. The Giants were just clicking at the right time. I know for sure that won't happen this year. Lee + Halladay + Hamels (+ Oswalt?) will win you the National League and probably the World Series this year and maybe next year too.
wow, I wish I was so sure about that
Here's the thing, the Phillies have major issues with Lincecum and Cain, and they will again IMO.........but they will have Doc and Lee pitching against them.....so say you go 1-1 in those games
The Phillies can not be shut down again this year by the likes of Madison Bumgarner, or new additions Vogelsong, etc....
and I'm hoping they won't.....I'm thinking they would shell Vogelsong in a playoff game |
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#46 Posted: 7/29/2011 10:37:32 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by Sparky10191:
So if the pitching was comparable...you are telling me that the Giants (who some say had the worst offense ever to win a Championship) was better than the Phillies' offense?
The Phillies were the better team last year. They were the best team in baseball. BETTER than the Giants. The Giants were just clicking at the right time. I know for sure that won't happen this year. Lee + Halladay + Hamels (+ Oswalt?) will win you the National League and probably the World Series this year and maybe next year too.
wow, I wish I was so sure about that
Here's the thing, the Phillies have major issues with Lincecum and Cain, and they will again IMO.........but they will have Doc and Lee pitching against them.....so say you go 1-1 in those games
The Phillies can not be shut down again this year by the likes of Madison Bumgarner, or new additions Vogelsong, etc....
and I'm hoping they won't.....I'm thinking they would shell Vogelsong in a playoff game |
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#47 Posted: 7/29/2011 10:37:33 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by Sparky10191:
So if the pitching was comparable...you are telling me that the Giants (who some say had the worst offense ever to win a Championship) was better than the Phillies' offense?
The Phillies were the better team last year. They were the best team in baseball. BETTER than the Giants. The Giants were just clicking at the right time. I know for sure that won't happen this year. Lee + Halladay + Hamels (+ Oswalt?) will win you the National League and probably the World Series this year and maybe next year too.
wow, I wish I was so sure about that
Here's the thing, the Phillies have major issues with Lincecum and Cain, and they will again IMO.........but they will have Doc and Lee pitching against them.....so say you go 1-1 in those games
The Phillies can not be shut down again this year by the likes of Madison Bumgarner, or new additions Vogelsong, etc....
and I'm hoping they won't.....I'm thinking they would shell Vogelsong in a playoff game |
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#50 Posted: 7/29/2011 10:38:25 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by Sparky10191:
So if the pitching was comparable...you are telling me that the Giants (who some say had the worst offense ever to win a Championship) was better than the Phillies' offense?
The Phillies were the better team last year. They were the best team in baseball. BETTER than the Giants. The Giants were just clicking at the right time. I know for sure that won't happen this year. Lee + Halladay + Hamels (+ Oswalt?) will win you the National League and probably the World Series this year and maybe next year too.
I'm not saying the Giants offense was better than the Phillies last year, I'm just saying they got more timely hits.
And how can you say "I know for sure", so and so, won't happen this year? The Phillies could play the worst team in baseball in a best-of-seven series, and nothing is guaranteed.
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