Is Jeter the most overrated player in baseball?

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Posted: 9/8/2010 3:44:08 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by StraightShooter:

So you think he'll get his 30+ million a year?

Nah...I think it'll be somewhere between $23-$25 million per season. We all know the Yankees don't care about where their money goes. Jeter has earned it through this contract.

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Posted: 9/8/2010 3:44:26 PM
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Posted: 9/8/2010 3:47:16 PM
For 15 years, the guy has CONSISTENTLY put up a .314 AVG, 75 RBI (great for a leadoff hitter), scored 110 runs, and yet he gets garbage like this. YEESH!
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Posted: 9/8/2010 3:53:09 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Sparky10191:

Nah...I think it'll be somewhere between $23-$25 million per season. We all know the Yankees don't care about where their money goes. Jeter has earned it through this contract.

He's about the 9th best SS in MLB in offense right now (amongst those with 350 PA or more).  He's in the bottom quartile defensively.  If he gets more than $10M then NYY is just giving him a lifetime achievement award because they don't care about the money.  $20M+ would be ludicrous.

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Posted: 9/8/2010 4:02:01 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by KennyWoo:

He's about the 9th best SS in MLB in offense right now (amongst those with 350 PA or more).  He's in the bottom quartile defensively.  If he gets more than $10M then NYY is just giving him a lifetime achievement award because they don't care about the money.  $20M+ would be ludicrous.

You can't go by that. You can't sign players according to their contract season. The Yankees did that with AJ...tell me how that worked out. The Yankees did that with Pavano. Tell me how that worked out. Some can say this is the start of a decline. Others can say it's simply a bad season. I know it's done all the time, but it's just a stupid way to go. Will Cliff Lee be getting money based on what he's doing in Texas, or what he did in his Cy Young season in Cleveland and what he did in Philly? If you go by his pre-Rangers numbers, than you can't just take this 1 season of Jeter's into account when signing him in the offseason.

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Posted: 9/8/2010 4:03:15 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by KennyWoo:

He's about the 9th best SS in MLB in offense right now (amongst those with 350 PA or more).  He's in the bottom quartile defensively.  If he gets more than $10M then NYY is just giving him a lifetime achievement award because they don't care about the money.  $20M+ would be ludicrous.

And that's exactly what they're doing. Don't blame Jeter for his contract ending 1 year late. If last season was his contract year, everyone would agree that he should get $25 million.

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Posted: 9/8/2010 4:58:55 PM
Okay, maybe not writing him off, but as an owner and someone who evaluates talent. Why in the world would you not be more likely to say Jeters better days are bhind him. He's 36, and if you're evaluating his talent, you'd be an idiot to think at 37 and 38, he's gonna come out and perform like he has in the past. Not saying he was ever on steroids, but with the steroid era being over, I thinks it's safe to say owners can assume  players performance will start to decline like they did in the old days. And as far as pay the man he's earned. That's about th DUMBEST thing Ive ever heard. He's making 20 plus million  while hitting 260, uh I think he's getting paid for what he's done for the Fanchise right now. Only one man has ever deserved to bepaid for what he's done for an organization and that's MICHAEL JORDAN, and that's only because he took pay cuts for the majority of his career, so technically he's owed a kick back at the end. But as far as players like Moss and Jeter, Im not paying you big bucks if I don't see you performing at an allstar level for the next 3 years. It's called moving on. I might not even want you on he field let alone pay you through the roof. Just like Bowden and Paterno, some say they should leave when they feel like it. Oh so let them coach till their 90 and not doing shyt just because of what they've done. Give em a job upstairs and keep em around forever, but hell NO, you're not coaching. Athletes have way too much entitlemnt. A real man would recognize I can't do what I use to, so I'm willing to accept what Im worth today, because i was paid handsomely when we were winning championships.
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Posted: 9/8/2010 5:03:02 PM
And no Im not a hater on athletes that make money, I think they deserve what they make, if that kind of money is being generated then they deserve it. But at the same time, don't be Jeter and want Arod money, because first of all I wouldn't be happy with Arods contract as well if I were an owner. His days are behind him as well. His contract was based on Steroid performance, so now he wont be taking roids anymore and he isn't getting any younger. How would one ever justify his salary now?
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Posted: 9/8/2010 5:04:05 PM
And I like Jeter, im not bashing him, but it is what it is. You're not the player you once were.
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Posted: 9/8/2010 5:04:31 PM
1 bad year and he is catching abuse!
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Posted: 9/8/2010 5:10:27 PM

Oliver Perez

Another name that comes to mind when showing how bad of an idea it is to give a player a contract based solely on their contract year.

You can not downgrade Jeter's contract because of one season.

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Posted: 9/8/2010 5:11:48 PM
I never said he should turn down money, I'm saying how are you warranted Arod type money at 36 and nearing the end of your career?
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Posted: 9/8/2010 5:12:58 PM
And I'm not comparing Moss with Jeter, I was merely, making that point, becasue I don't see how players don't understand why someone isnt jumping to pay top dollar for someone who's best years are behind them.
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Posted: 9/8/2010 5:14:42 PM
And about Arod, I never said he wasnt worth being paid handsomely or even the highest. I simly stated that his contract was based off of his juicing years. So seeing that he will not have another year like his best years. How would any manager say hey are satisfied with his contract now,
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Posted: 9/8/2010 5:16:46 PM
Dude you guys are missing the point badly. It's not based on one bad year, it's because he' 36 and it's time for his production to start declining. So tell me, at what point do you factor in age and say he can't  do what he's been  doing for the next 4 years?
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Posted: 9/8/2010 5:17:22 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by yankees2k6:

1 bad year and he is catching abuse!
So I guess at 37, he's about to have his career year next year?
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Posted: 9/8/2010 5:18:30 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Sparky10191:

Oliver Perez

Another name that comes to mind when showing how bad of an idea it is to give a player a contract based solely on their contract year.

You can not downgrade Jeter's contract because of one season.

You dont downgrade it because of one bad year, ut you do use common sense and say ll good things must come to an end at some time, and maybe jeter is no longer the player he was.
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Posted: 9/8/2010 5:19:18 PM
If he gets $23 million +, I'd be pretty surprised.  He earned his contract IMO, but he didn't out-earn it.  He averaged over 18M a year for the life of it. At $23M, the Yanks are bidding against themselves.  $15-$17 I can see, but over $20 is a waste.  He may be a top 40 or 50 player, but he's not top 10 anymore.  I love the guy, but he's past his prime.
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Posted: 9/8/2010 5:21:02 PM
QUOTE

Originally Posted by TyDarius:

You dont downgrade it because of one bad year, ut you do use common sense and say ll good things must come to an end at some time, and maybe jeter is no longer the player he was.

People said that in 2008. 2009 he had his best defensive season in 5+ years and he hit .334 last season. He had a below average 2008 for his status and he came back and showed everyone he wasn't declining.

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Posted: 9/8/2010 5:22:55 PM
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If he gets $23 million +, I'd be pretty surprised.  He earned his contract IMO, but he didn't out-earn it.  He averaged over 18M a year for the life of it. At $23M, the Yanks are bidding against themselves.  $15-$17 I can see, but over $20 is a waste.  He may be a top 40 or 50 player, but he's not top 10 anymore.  I love the guy, but he's past his prime.

I could be way off. But then it goes back to the discussion...you have A-Rod...how many more players do you want to have to make more money than Jeter? He did an outstanding job during his last contact. He's older, yes, but he's been productive every season but this on.

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Posted: 9/8/2010 5:23:56 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

If he gets $23 million +, I'd be pretty surprised.  He earned his contract IMO, but he didn't out-earn it.  He averaged over 18M a year for the life of it. At $23M, the Yanks are bidding against themselves.  $15-$17 I can see, but over $20 is a waste.  He may be a top 40 or 50 player, but he's not top 10 anymore.  I love the guy, but he's past his prime.
Thats all Im saying just a little common sense from someone.
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Posted: 9/8/2010 5:40:46 PM

Hanley Ramirez has a 6 year, $70M contract ($11.67M per year).  He's put up much better numbers every year since his rookie year than Jeter, and he's not 36 years old, nor Edward Scissorhands in the field.  

Someone please explain to me how Derek Jeter warrants a contract worth twice the amount that a 26 year-old Hanley Ramirez is being paid.

Jeter has had a great career, but at 36 years of age you can definitely be worried about his offensive slippage and base the next contract mainly on his last season.  Jeter cannot play defense - if he doesn't totally rake he hurts the team.  He is a Hall of Famer.  But he's not a $20M player any more.

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Posted: 9/8/2010 5:47:14 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by MrBusiness402:

I'm well aware that he is the face of the organization, and a player they will likely never get rid of, but when is the last time this guy stepped up and made a great offensive play in the clutch?

 

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Posted: 9/8/2010 5:49:17 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by MrBusiness402:

I'm well aware that he is the face of the organization, and a player they will likely never get rid of, but when is the last time this guy stepped up and made a great offensive play in the clutch?

 

R u fuckin crazy take ur pick of all time clutch hits bird brain
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Posted: 9/8/2010 5:54:00 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by MickeyMantle:

R u fuckin crazy take ur pick of all time clutch hits bird brain

We're talking about this year douche, i love the Yankees homers who live by history rather than current reality.

Jeter was great, he's now average.  Thats the fact.
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