I was having a look at some division futures and thought I'd make a thread for discussion and thoughts on value and plays..
Atlantic
PHI +132
PIT +160
NYR +674
NJD +786
NYI +2214
- the one that stands out to me here is NYR +674.. They've added a top tier player in Richards to help out Gaborik.. Callahan will be motivated as the new captain.. They are pretty deep 3 lines down.. Defense looks Ok with Staal back there but this is probably their weakest area.. Goaltending is top of the line with Lundqvist.. If Staal has a breakout year and the other D play ok I can def see them competing with Philly for the top spot..
Northeast
BUF +166
BOS +176
MON +307
OTT +1634
TOR +1634
- well this is a very tough division to call.. Obv Boston is a great team winning last year and they almost stay the same.. Buffalo has been pounded down to +166 after all the pickups they made this offseason and how they are doing this preseason.. But the one that stands out to me here is MON +307 (+550 at Bet365).. They've got solid 3 fwd lines but where I really like them is at D and Goaltending.. Subban and Gill are a great top D pair.. Throw in healthy Markov this year with Gorges and Spacek to be a 5th guy.. Pretty solid.. Price proved a lot of people wrong (including me) last year - he's shown a lot of improvement.. He's got a lot of potential.. +550 is a great price for a division where it's gonna come down to the wire.. I can see everyone in that division competing except OTT..
Southeast
WAS -262
TB +372
CAR +1250
WPG +1739
FLA +2721
- This is a division where it should come down to the top 2.. TB and WAS.. IMO there is no value on WAS -262 for the division.. TB would be the play here for me.. They've shown last year that they are a top tier team.. They've got an amazing first 2 lines, and what looks to be a good grinder 3rd line.. Defense looks ok/good with Hedman and Ohlund, Brewer/Kubina, Clark/Bergeron.. Pretty solid.. Goaltending is somewhat of a question mark here with Roloson.. He's getting up there in age.. I think it all comes down to goaltending here because I really like their team... But I'm probably gonna take a shot at those odds where it should come down to those top 2 teams competing..
Central
DET +144
CHI +192
NAS +341
STL +1045
CLB +3177
- here is another that should come down to the top 2 teams.. I'm gonna have to go with the younger team tho here in CHI +192.. Here is a team (where I hate to say it!) is all round good.. The fwd group is damn solid.. The top 4 D group is damn solid.. And if Crawford can do what he did in playoffs last year (to us Canucks) he is gonna be a great goalie.. If you put CHI up to DET in comparison I really think both teams are almost equal in every area.. They've both got young goalies that look good.. Both are pretty solid and experienced on the back end.. And both fwd groups have top tier snipers and players.. This is a tough one to pick but I think I like CHI a little more here.. On a side note - taking a flyer on CLB at those odds looks pretty tempting.. Nash gets Carter to play with now and they have been doing well this preseason.. The bad part is that Wisniewsky got suspended 8 reg season games and he's a top D man for them.. And I think goaltending could be shaky (Mason).. But I really like that fwd group.. Prob stick to CHI +192..
Northwest
VAN -479
CGY +586
MIN +1880
COL +2512
EDM +2512
- this is a division where I least like what I see for odds.. VAN at -479 is not tasty at all.. Where we are missing Kesler to start the season along with Raymond.. Hodgson will prob end up playing on the 2nd line to start the season.. But in reality we should prob end up taking the division.. Canucks defense is very good even without Ehrhoff.. Goaltending.. Well Loo will get the job done one way or another! But at almost 1 to 5 odds I won't be betting on it.. Taking a flyer on COL or EDM has the most value IMO.. Canucks had a fantastic year last year and I know they didn't win the cup (sad face) but I almost feel they might start the year off slow.. I honestly don't like CGY and MIN teams this year.. I really think to take on here is gonna be COL/EDM.. EDM could surprise this year - I know everyone thinks they are too young and might need 2 more years to mature.. But if you look at that fwd group.. It looks damn good on paper.. They are going to be over machines!! The D is not all that bad but prob just OK.. Goaltending is OK if Khabi can get er done.. A flyer on EDM could be in my future...
Pacific
SJ +147
LA +237
ANA +565
PHX +629
DAL +798
- here is a division that could be the toughest to call.. (along with northeast).. SJ is.. Well.. That team.. You just don't know with them.. I mean they are a great team on paper but.. Hard to predict.. LA made some big moves shipping Simmonds and getting Richards.. They are going to be a gritty team this year.. (Brown, Richards, Stoll, Moreau).. They are well improved this year but where they are best is on D.. Doughty, Johnson, Mitchell, Greene is a solid top 4 D.. Quick in net is OK in my mind.. Solid team all round so +237 looks tempting.. Another is ANA +565.. Again another gritty team 3 lines down.. Prob not as solid on D but goaltending is equal in my mind.. I honestly think anyone has a chance in this division but I'm prob gonna narrow it down to LA or ANA at some good odds...
Anyways thoughts here are welcome! Used Pinnacle lines (I know there are some better lines out there for certain teams).. Just my initial thoughts and writeups off the top of my head.. Cheers
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I was having a look at some division futures and thought I'd make a thread for discussion and thoughts on value and plays..
Atlantic
PHI +132
PIT +160
NYR +674
NJD +786
NYI +2214
- the one that stands out to me here is NYR +674.. They've added a top tier player in Richards to help out Gaborik.. Callahan will be motivated as the new captain.. They are pretty deep 3 lines down.. Defense looks Ok with Staal back there but this is probably their weakest area.. Goaltending is top of the line with Lundqvist.. If Staal has a breakout year and the other D play ok I can def see them competing with Philly for the top spot..
Northeast
BUF +166
BOS +176
MON +307
OTT +1634
TOR +1634
- well this is a very tough division to call.. Obv Boston is a great team winning last year and they almost stay the same.. Buffalo has been pounded down to +166 after all the pickups they made this offseason and how they are doing this preseason.. But the one that stands out to me here is MON +307 (+550 at Bet365).. They've got solid 3 fwd lines but where I really like them is at D and Goaltending.. Subban and Gill are a great top D pair.. Throw in healthy Markov this year with Gorges and Spacek to be a 5th guy.. Pretty solid.. Price proved a lot of people wrong (including me) last year - he's shown a lot of improvement.. He's got a lot of potential.. +550 is a great price for a division where it's gonna come down to the wire.. I can see everyone in that division competing except OTT..
Southeast
WAS -262
TB +372
CAR +1250
WPG +1739
FLA +2721
- This is a division where it should come down to the top 2.. TB and WAS.. IMO there is no value on WAS -262 for the division.. TB would be the play here for me.. They've shown last year that they are a top tier team.. They've got an amazing first 2 lines, and what looks to be a good grinder 3rd line.. Defense looks ok/good with Hedman and Ohlund, Brewer/Kubina, Clark/Bergeron.. Pretty solid.. Goaltending is somewhat of a question mark here with Roloson.. He's getting up there in age.. I think it all comes down to goaltending here because I really like their team... But I'm probably gonna take a shot at those odds where it should come down to those top 2 teams competing..
Central
DET +144
CHI +192
NAS +341
STL +1045
CLB +3177
- here is another that should come down to the top 2 teams.. I'm gonna have to go with the younger team tho here in CHI +192.. Here is a team (where I hate to say it!) is all round good.. The fwd group is damn solid.. The top 4 D group is damn solid.. And if Crawford can do what he did in playoffs last year (to us Canucks) he is gonna be a great goalie.. If you put CHI up to DET in comparison I really think both teams are almost equal in every area.. They've both got young goalies that look good.. Both are pretty solid and experienced on the back end.. And both fwd groups have top tier snipers and players.. This is a tough one to pick but I think I like CHI a little more here.. On a side note - taking a flyer on CLB at those odds looks pretty tempting.. Nash gets Carter to play with now and they have been doing well this preseason.. The bad part is that Wisniewsky got suspended 8 reg season games and he's a top D man for them.. And I think goaltending could be shaky (Mason).. But I really like that fwd group.. Prob stick to CHI +192..
Northwest
VAN -479
CGY +586
MIN +1880
COL +2512
EDM +2512
- this is a division where I least like what I see for odds.. VAN at -479 is not tasty at all.. Where we are missing Kesler to start the season along with Raymond.. Hodgson will prob end up playing on the 2nd line to start the season.. But in reality we should prob end up taking the division.. Canucks defense is very good even without Ehrhoff.. Goaltending.. Well Loo will get the job done one way or another! But at almost 1 to 5 odds I won't be betting on it.. Taking a flyer on COL or EDM has the most value IMO.. Canucks had a fantastic year last year and I know they didn't win the cup (sad face) but I almost feel they might start the year off slow.. I honestly don't like CGY and MIN teams this year.. I really think to take on here is gonna be COL/EDM.. EDM could surprise this year - I know everyone thinks they are too young and might need 2 more years to mature.. But if you look at that fwd group.. It looks damn good on paper.. They are going to be over machines!! The D is not all that bad but prob just OK.. Goaltending is OK if Khabi can get er done.. A flyer on EDM could be in my future...
Pacific
SJ +147
LA +237
ANA +565
PHX +629
DAL +798
- here is a division that could be the toughest to call.. (along with northeast).. SJ is.. Well.. That team.. You just don't know with them.. I mean they are a great team on paper but.. Hard to predict.. LA made some big moves shipping Simmonds and getting Richards.. They are going to be a gritty team this year.. (Brown, Richards, Stoll, Moreau).. They are well improved this year but where they are best is on D.. Doughty, Johnson, Mitchell, Greene is a solid top 4 D.. Quick in net is OK in my mind.. Solid team all round so +237 looks tempting.. Another is ANA +565.. Again another gritty team 3 lines down.. Prob not as solid on D but goaltending is equal in my mind.. I honestly think anyone has a chance in this division but I'm prob gonna narrow it down to LA or ANA at some good odds...
Anyways thoughts here are welcome! Used Pinnacle lines (I know there are some better lines out there for certain teams).. Just my initial thoughts and writeups off the top of my head.. Cheers
I had stated earlier that I love the Rangers at that price to win the division as well, but Staal has had post-concussion symptoms over the summer and hasn't played yet this pre-season and Staal himself has said that he cannot work out without getting headaches. Depending on how long he is out will have a huge impact on this team. If Staal only misses a few games then I still think the Rangers to win the division has good value.
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I had stated earlier that I love the Rangers at that price to win the division as well, but Staal has had post-concussion symptoms over the summer and hasn't played yet this pre-season and Staal himself has said that he cannot work out without getting headaches. Depending on how long he is out will have a huge impact on this team. If Staal only misses a few games then I still think the Rangers to win the division has good value.
Another note: Markov has suffered a setback with his knee and it is becoming increasingly more likely that he will not be ready for the season opener. Really will be hard to count on Markov to be a factor this year. I like the Hawks at +192 and SJ at +147. I disagree with your assessment of the Ducks, IMO they are very thin after the top line and Selanne, and the Defense looks to be one of the worst in the western conference. Plus Hiller is a big question mark coming back from vertigo and it remains to be seen how he will handle a full season coming off of that setback. I really do not see how the Ducks compete with the Sharks or Kings this year.
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Another note: Markov has suffered a setback with his knee and it is becoming increasingly more likely that he will not be ready for the season opener. Really will be hard to count on Markov to be a factor this year. I like the Hawks at +192 and SJ at +147. I disagree with your assessment of the Ducks, IMO they are very thin after the top line and Selanne, and the Defense looks to be one of the worst in the western conference. Plus Hiller is a big question mark coming back from vertigo and it remains to be seen how he will handle a full season coming off of that setback. I really do not see how the Ducks compete with the Sharks or Kings this year.
Another note: Markov has suffered a setback with his knee and it is becoming increasingly more likely that he will not be ready for the season opener. Really will be hard to count on Markov to be a factor this year. I like the Hawks at +192 and SJ at +147. I disagree with your assessment of the Ducks, IMO they are very thin after the top line and Selanne, and the Defense looks to be one of the worst in the western conference. Plus Hiller is a big question mark coming back from vertigo and it remains to be seen how he will handle a full season coming off of that setback. I really do not see how the Ducks compete with the Sharks or Kings this year.
I see your point there Gee_Gee.. ANA will prob finish 2nd or 3rd but I figured they've got Perry, Getzlaf, Ryan, Selanee.. Solid 2 forward lines.. Maybe they are thin on 3rd and 4th... And yes the D is def there weak spot.. Hiller is also a question mark like you said..
The Sharks have no heart though and are so unpredictable it's hard to say where they end up this year.. Like I said I haven't locked in a Pacific team yet but it was between ANA and LA with a lean on LA.. ANA looks tasty but it might just be my eyes.. Cheers and thanks for the FB..
JP Thanks brother..
GL anya solid choices you got there..
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Quote Originally Posted by Gee_Gee:
Another note: Markov has suffered a setback with his knee and it is becoming increasingly more likely that he will not be ready for the season opener. Really will be hard to count on Markov to be a factor this year. I like the Hawks at +192 and SJ at +147. I disagree with your assessment of the Ducks, IMO they are very thin after the top line and Selanne, and the Defense looks to be one of the worst in the western conference. Plus Hiller is a big question mark coming back from vertigo and it remains to be seen how he will handle a full season coming off of that setback. I really do not see how the Ducks compete with the Sharks or Kings this year.
I see your point there Gee_Gee.. ANA will prob finish 2nd or 3rd but I figured they've got Perry, Getzlaf, Ryan, Selanee.. Solid 2 forward lines.. Maybe they are thin on 3rd and 4th... And yes the D is def there weak spot.. Hiller is also a question mark like you said..
The Sharks have no heart though and are so unpredictable it's hard to say where they end up this year.. Like I said I haven't locked in a Pacific team yet but it was between ANA and LA with a lean on LA.. ANA looks tasty but it might just be my eyes.. Cheers and thanks for the FB..
I would honestly have no problem taking calgary in the northwest. They will be a solid team this year..
I'd personally lean.
Devils Habs Lightning Preds Flames Ducks.
Of course this is the interest of most bang for your buck for the midgrade teams in the division that have been overlooked and could do fairly well this year, and timely additions could push them over the edge. Not even a bad return if you bet 25 or 50 on all of them and they come out .500 or better. If not it was a good run. Might take my own advice lol
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I would honestly have no problem taking calgary in the northwest. They will be a solid team this year..
I'd personally lean.
Devils Habs Lightning Preds Flames Ducks.
Of course this is the interest of most bang for your buck for the midgrade teams in the division that have been overlooked and could do fairly well this year, and timely additions could push them over the edge. Not even a bad return if you bet 25 or 50 on all of them and they come out .500 or better. If not it was a good run. Might take my own advice lol
I love the Oilers this year. I don't think they win the division but they are STACKED with talent and now they have added some vets to help out. Its only a matter of time before this is an "elite" team, and imo they take BIG strides this year.
I also like the Lightning in the SE, there is no way this team should be +372
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I love the Oilers this year. I don't think they win the division but they are STACKED with talent and now they have added some vets to help out. Its only a matter of time before this is an "elite" team, and imo they take BIG strides this year.
I also like the Lightning in the SE, there is no way this team should be +372
Ya, Habs really depends on Markov. 3 years ago they had horrendous record without him. Our d has gotten better but Hamrlik usually picked up the slack when Markov was out (he would get worn out by the seasons end but eas effective short term)
Last year we did pretty well because Habs had Hamrlik AND Subban so Markov's loss was minimized since Subban can do similar things on the ice. This year, there is no Hamrlik so its really a going to be on everyone to pick up the slack.
On the offensive side, they have gotten better tho. So maybe that will alleviate some pressure.
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Ya, Habs really depends on Markov. 3 years ago they had horrendous record without him. Our d has gotten better but Hamrlik usually picked up the slack when Markov was out (he would get worn out by the seasons end but eas effective short term)
Last year we did pretty well because Habs had Hamrlik AND Subban so Markov's loss was minimized since Subban can do similar things on the ice. This year, there is no Hamrlik so its really a going to be on everyone to pick up the slack.
On the offensive side, they have gotten better tho. So maybe that will alleviate some pressure.
Rangers were my sleeper pick too but that Staal injury is pretty big. Its still worth taking a shot. Its the Rangers, if Staal cant play they will probably make a move to try and replace him.
If I had to pick a team from the west, I'd probably pick St. Louis at that price.
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Rangers were my sleeper pick too but that Staal injury is pretty big. Its still worth taking a shot. Its the Rangers, if Staal cant play they will probably make a move to try and replace him.
If I had to pick a team from the west, I'd probably pick St. Louis at that price.
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