Pretty interesting. Wade shooting alone in a gym. LeBron referencing his own stats. Heat will definitely have no pressure tomorrow -- the question is will they have any will or heart? I don't think so, especially if the Spurs get anything close to a 15pt lead like the last two games. I may start on the Spurs spread and live bet the Heat if I see anything close to the will of wanting a longer series. For now this seems like wishful thinking and/or smoke/mirrors.
Force, do you have any numbers on the rest angle for either team?
Anyhow here are the Game 5 numbers SU for a team up 3-1
https://www.whowins.com/tables/up31.html
All games / All Series / Any location -- 126-91 (.581)
All games / All Series / Home -- 106-39 (.731)
But here is where it gets spicier
All Games / Finals / Any location -- 16-15 (.516)
All Games / Finals / Home -- 12-10 (.545)
Wildly the stat is near 50% for the home team to win in this situation -- that does not quite match the 6 points or the ML.
Another thing I thought odd about this ML. Miami in game 4 was only a 5 point favorite but the ML was -240. Spurs at home with a chance to clinch, and the line is 6 and the ML is only -230. Odd, right?
Anyhow if you want to play the Heat tomorrow I suggest the series price -- if they win tomorrow I think they push it to 7 (losing 3 games at home in the Finals is TOUGH) and you can hedge on a -200 like ML in Game 7 against a +1000 bet.
That said the spirit and the heart of the Heat look lost -- not sure what is going on behind the scenes but it seems volatile -- they are also outmatched and look like the more tired team. Do they have another level? Let's find out. I wouldn't bet on it now -- but it will be curious to see who officiates tomorrow. I predict Scott Foster and Salvatore.
Pretty interesting. Wade shooting alone in a gym. LeBron referencing his own stats. Heat will definitely have no pressure tomorrow -- the question is will they have any will or heart? I don't think so, especially if the Spurs get anything close to a 15pt lead like the last two games. I may start on the Spurs spread and live bet the Heat if I see anything close to the will of wanting a longer series. For now this seems like wishful thinking and/or smoke/mirrors.
Force, do you have any numbers on the rest angle for either team?
Anyhow here are the Game 5 numbers SU for a team up 3-1
https://www.whowins.com/tables/up31.html
All games / All Series / Any location -- 126-91 (.581)
All games / All Series / Home -- 106-39 (.731)
But here is where it gets spicier
All Games / Finals / Any location -- 16-15 (.516)
All Games / Finals / Home -- 12-10 (.545)
Wildly the stat is near 50% for the home team to win in this situation -- that does not quite match the 6 points or the ML.
Another thing I thought odd about this ML. Miami in game 4 was only a 5 point favorite but the ML was -240. Spurs at home with a chance to clinch, and the line is 6 and the ML is only -230. Odd, right?
Anyhow if you want to play the Heat tomorrow I suggest the series price -- if they win tomorrow I think they push it to 7 (losing 3 games at home in the Finals is TOUGH) and you can hedge on a -200 like ML in Game 7 against a +1000 bet.
That said the spirit and the heart of the Heat look lost -- not sure what is going on behind the scenes but it seems volatile -- they are also outmatched and look like the more tired team. Do they have another level? Let's find out. I wouldn't bet on it now -- but it will be curious to see who officiates tomorrow. I predict Scott Foster and Salvatore.
Pressure, will, heart... These combined tell less than half the story.
All the lack of pressure, heart, and will in the world does not make up for the fact that one team is just simply a better basketball team than the other.
And combined with a heat team that seems to lack that real killer instinct (despite what some may say, it is still a bit missing) it does not look good for heat.
Pressure, will, heart... These combined tell less than half the story.
All the lack of pressure, heart, and will in the world does not make up for the fact that one team is just simply a better basketball team than the other.
And combined with a heat team that seems to lack that real killer instinct (despite what some may say, it is still a bit missing) it does not look good for heat.
i sense Foster & Mauer combo again. If indeed they send these two (ref'd game 1 - Spurs win). I'm gonna have to think that they are again sending in decoys & slipping a mickey on the public & will think about taking Miami. The public have been shocked not once (game 3) but twice (game 4). That's 2 consecutive games. Ratings are up and why not shock the public 3 games in a row........
i sense Foster & Mauer combo again. If indeed they send these two (ref'd game 1 - Spurs win). I'm gonna have to think that they are again sending in decoys & slipping a mickey on the public & will think about taking Miami. The public have been shocked not once (game 3) but twice (game 4). That's 2 consecutive games. Ratings are up and why not shock the public 3 games in a row........
Interesting -- Game 3 was Brothers and McCutchen though -- they are road dog refs and anti-heat -- so while the public got minorly fleeced anyone playing the ref angle was very pleased
Interesting -- Game 3 was Brothers and McCutchen though -- they are road dog refs and anti-heat -- so while the public got minorly fleeced anyone playing the ref angle was very pleased
Fellas, what do you make of the little line movement today? Went from 6 to 5.5
almost every game (if not all) whatever direction the line moved, is who ended up covering. I was over the moon in confidence for spurs a day ago but the extra day off has me second guessing myself
Fellas, what do you make of the little line movement today? Went from 6 to 5.5
almost every game (if not all) whatever direction the line moved, is who ended up covering. I was over the moon in confidence for spurs a day ago but the extra day off has me second guessing myself
I have a huge Spurs feel but was very very surprised to see those numbers for game 5's in this situation -- the League would definitely want more basketball -- and the Spurs could not be a squarer play for tomorrow if we tried -- the ML price it what spooks me the most -- the line is larger but the ML is cheaper than the last game -- WTF is that?
I have a huge Spurs feel but was very very surprised to see those numbers for game 5's in this situation -- the League would definitely want more basketball -- and the Spurs could not be a squarer play for tomorrow if we tried -- the ML price it what spooks me the most -- the line is larger but the ML is cheaper than the last game -- WTF is that?
Right now the money is on the Heat ML according to this data
https://scoresandodds.com/
But by tomorrow I predict 60% spurs ML and 55% Spurs spread -- that means nothing to capping this game but it is interesting that the early money is on the Heat
Right now the money is on the Heat ML according to this data
https://scoresandodds.com/
But by tomorrow I predict 60% spurs ML and 55% Spurs spread -- that means nothing to capping this game but it is interesting that the early money is on the Heat
If the NBA wanted to extend the series, they would've helped the Heat win G4. Heat got blown out by 20+. The NBA refs can only do so much.
The 12-10 record in G5 seems strange. Is there any way to find the specific series? I'm curious if most of the losses happened 20+ years ago when I could see bad refs not being challenged as much and the NBA had more latitude to affect games.
If the NBA wanted to extend the series, they would've helped the Heat win G4. Heat got blown out by 20+. The NBA refs can only do so much.
The 12-10 record in G5 seems strange. Is there any way to find the specific series? I'm curious if most of the losses happened 20+ years ago when I could see bad refs not being challenged as much and the NBA had more latitude to affect games.
If the NBA wanted to extend the series, they would've helped the Heat win G4. Heat got blown out by 20+. The NBA refs can only do so much.
The 12-10 record in G5 seems strange. Is there any way to find the specific series? I'm curious if most of the losses happened 20+ years ago when I could see bad refs not being challenged as much and the NBA had more latitude to affect games.
If the NBA wanted to extend the series, they would've helped the Heat win G4. Heat got blown out by 20+. The NBA refs can only do so much.
The 12-10 record in G5 seems strange. Is there any way to find the specific series? I'm curious if most of the losses happened 20+ years ago when I could see bad refs not being challenged as much and the NBA had more latitude to affect games.
Miami Heat fans, we're afraid we've got some bad news.
No team has ever come back from a 3-1 series deficit to win an NBA Finals. 31 teams have tried, and not a single one has been successful.
It gets more dire than that, actually. The 31 teams who have trailed 3-1 have won a total of just 17 games the rest of the way. 13 teams have forced a Game 6, and just two - Rochester in 1951 and Boston in 1966 - have even managed to force a Game 7.
It gets worse, though, because the Heat are on the road for Game 5. Teams who have enjoyed home-court to climb out of a 3-1 deficit have actually gone 9-7 in Game 5s, but teams trying to extend a series on the road are just 6-9.
Sure, the Heat are an excellent team, but so are most teams that make the NBA Finals. Even if they force a Game 7, fans would be wise to show some decorum; they may be special, but history suggests they're not special enough to come back from this.
Here is a history of all 31 teams who have faced a 3-1 deficit in the NBA Finals:
Miami Heat fans, we're afraid we've got some bad news.
No team has ever come back from a 3-1 series deficit to win an NBA Finals. 31 teams have tried, and not a single one has been successful.
It gets more dire than that, actually. The 31 teams who have trailed 3-1 have won a total of just 17 games the rest of the way. 13 teams have forced a Game 6, and just two - Rochester in 1951 and Boston in 1966 - have even managed to force a Game 7.
It gets worse, though, because the Heat are on the road for Game 5. Teams who have enjoyed home-court to climb out of a 3-1 deficit have actually gone 9-7 in Game 5s, but teams trying to extend a series on the road are just 6-9.
Sure, the Heat are an excellent team, but so are most teams that make the NBA Finals. Even if they force a Game 7, fans would be wise to show some decorum; they may be special, but history suggests they're not special enough to come back from this.
Here is a history of all 31 teams who have faced a 3-1 deficit in the NBA Finals:
Hey Bob, I watched the whole LBJ interview on nba.com and your right in saying he does not feel any pressure , I hink that losing the series has "set in" for everyone on the heat and the pressure falls squarely on SA.
That being said, I expect SA to win by double digits.
Lebron was also asked about his ankle and he said he twisted it late in G2 and it was sore and also added that its gets worse as times goes on during games.
Hey Bob, I watched the whole LBJ interview on nba.com and your right in saying he does not feel any pressure , I hink that losing the series has "set in" for everyone on the heat and the pressure falls squarely on SA.
That being said, I expect SA to win by double digits.
Lebron was also asked about his ankle and he said he twisted it late in G2 and it was sore and also added that its gets worse as times goes on during games.
Hey Bob, I watched the whole LBJ interview on nba.com and your right in saying he does not feel any pressure , I hink that losing the series has "set in" for everyone on the heat and the pressure falls squarely on SA.
That being said, I expect SA to win by double digits.
Lebron was also asked about his ankle and he said he twisted it late in G2 and it was sore and also added that its gets worse as times goes on during games.
Hey Bob, I watched the whole LBJ interview on nba.com and your right in saying he does not feel any pressure , I hink that losing the series has "set in" for everyone on the heat and the pressure falls squarely on SA.
That being said, I expect SA to win by double digits.
Lebron was also asked about his ankle and he said he twisted it late in G2 and it was sore and also added that its gets worse as times goes on during games.
An the drink that he is sipping on is from his wife juice store (the juice spot)
I made sure to do a "LeBron" day when I was in Mia in Feb and stopped off at the small store and also passed by his clothing store in a "upscale" mall.
An the drink that he is sipping on is from his wife juice store (the juice spot)
I made sure to do a "LeBron" day when I was in Mia in Feb and stopped off at the small store and also passed by his clothing store in a "upscale" mall.
As I have said, San Antonio is the better team this year and are playing much better basketball at the moment...But the extra "Day Of Rest" definitely plays in Miami's favor!!! Think of it as a Heavy Weight Fight...You blast a Champion and see his eyes all glossed over(Game #3), you blast him again(Game #4), his legs are ready to go, he drops, the referee begins to count to 10 but the bell sounds to end the round...Now you have to wait, to knock the champ out the "NEXT" round...And as I have seen, any Champion with any amount of heart comes out pissed off with that instinct to come back and win...I was watching a replay of the Ali - Wepner fight from 1975 last night and watched Ali get knocked down in the 9th Round(I believe it was the 9th Round)...That really pissed him off...His trainer Dundee was yelling, screaming and encouraging him to finish this fight...He was the champion...Fight like one...Ali came out like a man possessed...Wepner had nothing left, it went the distance but Ali, "The Champion" prevailed...
It was very funny how I saw so many similarities between the Ali fight and this Series...A true Champion won't give up, they won't give in and will fight with every last breath in their body...And all kidding a side, the Miami Heat are a true Champion in every sense of the word...Making it to the NBA Finals, an incredible "4 Years In A Row", and winning Back-To-Back Championships...
I am a San Antonio Spurs Fan through and through but I cannot believe that the Spurs will cover the 6 Points that the Oddsmakers have put out there...Everyone is counting the Miami Heat out and the one thing I have learned, is to "NEVER" count any Champion Out until the referee has counted to "10" and that guy is lying on the floor gagging on his mouth piece and doesn't even know his own name...
The entire betting community seems to be on the Spurs today...Which may very well work out to their advantage but I still think that the Heat have a breath of life in them and will win Game #5.....
As I have said, San Antonio is the better team this year and are playing much better basketball at the moment...But the extra "Day Of Rest" definitely plays in Miami's favor!!! Think of it as a Heavy Weight Fight...You blast a Champion and see his eyes all glossed over(Game #3), you blast him again(Game #4), his legs are ready to go, he drops, the referee begins to count to 10 but the bell sounds to end the round...Now you have to wait, to knock the champ out the "NEXT" round...And as I have seen, any Champion with any amount of heart comes out pissed off with that instinct to come back and win...I was watching a replay of the Ali - Wepner fight from 1975 last night and watched Ali get knocked down in the 9th Round(I believe it was the 9th Round)...That really pissed him off...His trainer Dundee was yelling, screaming and encouraging him to finish this fight...He was the champion...Fight like one...Ali came out like a man possessed...Wepner had nothing left, it went the distance but Ali, "The Champion" prevailed...
It was very funny how I saw so many similarities between the Ali fight and this Series...A true Champion won't give up, they won't give in and will fight with every last breath in their body...And all kidding a side, the Miami Heat are a true Champion in every sense of the word...Making it to the NBA Finals, an incredible "4 Years In A Row", and winning Back-To-Back Championships...
I am a San Antonio Spurs Fan through and through but I cannot believe that the Spurs will cover the 6 Points that the Oddsmakers have put out there...Everyone is counting the Miami Heat out and the one thing I have learned, is to "NEVER" count any Champion Out until the referee has counted to "10" and that guy is lying on the floor gagging on his mouth piece and doesn't even know his own name...
The entire betting community seems to be on the Spurs today...Which may very well work out to their advantage but I still think that the Heat have a breath of life in them and will win Game #5.....
As I have said, San Antonio is the better team this year and are playing much better basketball at the moment...But the extra "Day Of Rest" definitely plays in Miami's favor!!! Think of it as a Heavy Weight Fight...You blast a Champion and see his eyes all glossed over(Game #3), you blast him again(Game #4), his legs are ready to go, he drops, the referee begins to count to 10 but the bell sounds to end the round...Now you have to wait, to knock the champ out the "NEXT" round...And as I have seen, any Champion with any amount of heart comes out pissed off with that instinct to come back and win...I was watching a replay of the Ali - Wepner fight from 1975 last night and watched Ali get knocked down in the 9th Round(I believe it was the 9th Round)...That really pissed him off...His trainer Dundee was yelling, screaming and encouraging him to finish this fight...He was the champion...Fight like one...Ali came out like a man possessed...Wepner had nothing left, it went the distance but Ali, "The Champion" prevailed...
It was very funny how I saw so many similarities between the Ali fight and this Series...A true Champion won't give up, they won't give in and will fight with every last breath in their body...And all kidding a side, the Miami Heat are a true Champion in every sense of the word...Making it to the NBA Finals, an incredible "4 Years In A Row", and winning Back-To-Back Championships...
I am a San Antonio Spurs Fan through and through but I cannot believe that the Spurs will cover the 6 Points that the Oddsmakers have put out there...Everyone is counting the Miami Heat out and the one thing I have learned, is to "NEVER" count any Champion Out until the referee has counted to "10" and that guy is lying on the floor gagging on his mouth piece and doesn't even know his own name...
The entire betting community seems to be on the Spurs today...Which may very well work out to their advantage but I still think that the Heat have a breath of life in them and will win Game #5.....
As I have said, San Antonio is the better team this year and are playing much better basketball at the moment...But the extra "Day Of Rest" definitely plays in Miami's favor!!! Think of it as a Heavy Weight Fight...You blast a Champion and see his eyes all glossed over(Game #3), you blast him again(Game #4), his legs are ready to go, he drops, the referee begins to count to 10 but the bell sounds to end the round...Now you have to wait, to knock the champ out the "NEXT" round...And as I have seen, any Champion with any amount of heart comes out pissed off with that instinct to come back and win...I was watching a replay of the Ali - Wepner fight from 1975 last night and watched Ali get knocked down in the 9th Round(I believe it was the 9th Round)...That really pissed him off...His trainer Dundee was yelling, screaming and encouraging him to finish this fight...He was the champion...Fight like one...Ali came out like a man possessed...Wepner had nothing left, it went the distance but Ali, "The Champion" prevailed...
It was very funny how I saw so many similarities between the Ali fight and this Series...A true Champion won't give up, they won't give in and will fight with every last breath in their body...And all kidding a side, the Miami Heat are a true Champion in every sense of the word...Making it to the NBA Finals, an incredible "4 Years In A Row", and winning Back-To-Back Championships...
I am a San Antonio Spurs Fan through and through but I cannot believe that the Spurs will cover the 6 Points that the Oddsmakers have put out there...Everyone is counting the Miami Heat out and the one thing I have learned, is to "NEVER" count any Champion Out until the referee has counted to "10" and that guy is lying on the floor gagging on his mouth piece and doesn't even know his own name...
The entire betting community seems to be on the Spurs today...Which may very well work out to their advantage but I still think that the Heat have a breath of life in them and will win Game #5.....
As I have said, San Antonio is the better team this year and are playing much better basketball at the moment...But the extra "Day Of Rest" definitely plays in Miami's favor!!! Think of it as a Heavy Weight Fight...You blast a Champion and see his eyes all glossed over(Game #3), you blast him again(Game #4), his legs are ready to go, he drops, the referee begins to count to 10 but the bell sounds to end the round...Now you have to wait, to knock the champ out the "NEXT" round...And as I have seen, any Champion with any amount of heart comes out pissed off with that instinct to come back and win...I was watching a replay of the Ali - Wepner fight from 1975 last night and watched Ali get knocked down in the 9th Round(I believe it was the 9th Round)...That really pissed him off...His trainer Dundee was yelling, screaming and encouraging him to finish this fight...He was the champion...Fight like one...Ali came out like a man possessed...Wepner had nothing left, it went the distance but Ali, "The Champion" prevailed...
It was very funny how I saw so many similarities between the Ali fight and this Series...A true Champion won't give up, they won't give in and will fight with every last breath in their body...And all kidding a side, the Miami Heat are a true Champion in every sense of the word...Making it to the NBA Finals, an incredible "4 Years In A Row", and winning Back-To-Back Championships...
I am a San Antonio Spurs Fan through and through but I cannot believe that the Spurs will cover the 6 Points that the Oddsmakers have put out there...Everyone is counting the Miami Heat out and the one thing I have learned, is to "NEVER" count any Champion Out until the referee has counted to "10" and that guy is lying on the floor gagging on his mouth piece and doesn't even know his own name...
The entire betting community seems to be on the Spurs today...Which may very well work out to their advantage but I still think that the Heat have a breath of life in them and will win Game #5.....
As I have said, San Antonio is the better team this year and are playing much better basketball at the moment...But the extra "Day Of Rest" definitely plays in Miami's favor!!! Think of it as a Heavy Weight Fight...You blast a Champion and see his eyes all glossed over(Game #3), you blast him again(Game #4), his legs are ready to go, he drops, the referee begins to count to 10 but the bell sounds to end the round...Now you have to wait, to knock the champ out the "NEXT" round...And as I have seen, any Champion with any amount of heart comes out pissed off with that instinct to come back and win...I was watching a replay of the Ali - Wepner fight from 1975 last night and watched Ali get knocked down in the 9th Round(I believe it was the 9th Round)...That really pissed him off...His trainer Dundee was yelling, screaming and encouraging him to finish this fight...He was the champion...Fight like one...Ali came out like a man possessed...Wepner had nothing left, it went the distance but Ali, "The Champion" prevailed...
It was very funny how I saw so many similarities between the Ali fight and this Series...A true Champion won't give up, they won't give in and will fight with every last breath in their body...And all kidding a side, the Miami Heat are a true Champion in every sense of the word...Making it to the NBA Finals, an incredible "4 Years In A Row", and winning Back-To-Back Championships...
I am a San Antonio Spurs Fan through and through but I cannot believe that the Spurs will cover the 6 Points that the Oddsmakers have put out there...Everyone is counting the Miami Heat out and the one thing I have learned, is to "NEVER" count any Champion Out until the referee has counted to "10" and that guy is lying on the floor gagging on his mouth piece and doesn't even know his own name...
The entire betting community seems to be on the Spurs today...Which may very well work out to their advantage but I still think that the Heat have a breath of life in them and will win Game #5.....
As far as the Line Movements...I haven't seen any "SHARP" movements yet...This is telling me that they may be thinking that this is exactly where the Line should be set "OR" you have a 50/50 split...Half of the Sharps are on the Miami Heat and half of the Sharps are on the San Antonio Spurs...
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I tend to think that the betting man in this case would take the points and hope for a Game #6.....
As far as the Line Movements...I haven't seen any "SHARP" movements yet...This is telling me that they may be thinking that this is exactly where the Line should be set "OR" you have a 50/50 split...Half of the Sharps are on the Miami Heat and half of the Sharps are on the San Antonio Spurs...
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I tend to think that the betting man in this case would take the points and hope for a Game #6.....
As far as the Line Movements...I haven't seen any "SHARP" movements yet...This is telling me that they may be thinking that this is exactly where the Line should be set "OR" you have a 50/50 split...Half of the Sharps are on the Miami Heat and half of the Sharps are on the San Antonio Spurs...
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I tend to think that the betting man in this case would take the points and hope for a Game #6.....
As far as the Line Movements...I haven't seen any "SHARP" movements yet...This is telling me that they may be thinking that this is exactly where the Line should be set "OR" you have a 50/50 split...Half of the Sharps are on the Miami Heat and half of the Sharps are on the San Antonio Spurs...
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I tend to think that the betting man in this case would take the points and hope for a Game #6.....
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