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Posted: 8/13/2012 1:26:20 PM
Who is better Lebron or Magic?  Could Magic take it to the rim/post up like Lebron.  They both can pass, and Lebron has more strength, so I'm interested to hear.  You can't use the argument that Lebron had Wade because Magic's supporting cast was better.

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Posted: 8/13/2012 3:28:12 PM
I grew up watching Magic and have had the chance to watch Lebron play over the years.  Magic was superior in every basic skill category: passing, dribbling, shooting, court vision, you name it.  The only way someone would think there's a debate is if they're younger and didn't see magic play.  Lebron's game can remind one of magic at times but he's not magic.  Magic never quit in a playoff series like Lebron did twice.  Magic wasn't afraid to get physical and mix it up.  Lebron shies away from confrontation every time.  Lebron is definitely not the leader magic was, either.  Magic is a true alpha dog while Lebron is a punk.
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Posted: 8/13/2012 5:18:37 PM
even magic admits Lebron is better
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Posted: 8/13/2012 7:43:36 PM
Scoring-wise LeBron is better but Magic makes everyone else play better. He had a good cast in the Lakers and he only made them better. IMO, like geordie said, Magic is better in the basic skill category but he's not as athletic as LeBron. The only thing Magic have that could win him over LeBron is his smarts and leadership.
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Posted: 8/13/2012 7:44:51 PM
you can magic a king and turn it into a queen
no one hates magic vs 3/4 of the world hates lebron

if lebron gets HIV surely everyone laughs at him, while magic was respected

magic was not the most dominant player on his team yet shines to be the leader vs. lebron is supposed to be the dominant player yet yet hides on the flash 





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Posted: 8/13/2012 10:42:05 PM

LBJ will pass Magic in every NBA statistical category "including: career ASSISTS.

Wierd thing, is he will also pass Jordan and Kobe in EVERY statistical category yet folks want to REWARD magic for playing with better teammates (Kareem, Worthy, Wilkes, even Perkins, Mcadoo, etc..etc)....and Kobe too is  rewarded for playing with Shaq's power...Gasol skill....even Bynum #2 center....etc..etc......PHIL JACKSON coaching is also something LBJ did not benefit from nor did he have Pat Riley coaching him either.......so folks all things are not even with this TEAM comparisons

LBJ finally played with some legit talent last year and this year....and gets to Finals both years

folks, LBJ may live in the Finals the next  not 1 not 2 not 3....

years now that he too is playing with quality talent and a team

I watched Magic play too....LBJ is better....and once he makes it to four or give STRAIGHT finals then folks will see it too

But lets stick to this theme of what LBJ has done....to me STATS is a true measure is one player better than another....particularly stats accumulated over a period of time or a career

Of the top 10 seasons of the best Rated Player of all time....LBJ has at least four (maybe five???) of those seasons already.....and LBJ has only played in 9 seasons

also based on how LBJ's all around play is the norm...he probably will bounce Wilt, Oscar or maybe even Jordan from the top 10 of the highest rated seasons of all time.    I don't think folks understand    PLAYER RATING    or they wouldn't keep asking who's better......the computers have already assessed this and it evaluates and considers  a player's pts, rebs, assts, steals, blocks,  point differential while on floor, VALUE ADDED...etc..etc....and LBJ is consistently on top in the current year's play....and at the end of the season it proves to be a historical top 10 season of all time.

I also provided another link....that compares LBJ to todays greats and yester year greats......when it is all said and done....LBJs numbers and impact will be out of this stratosphere

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1295706-how-lebron-james-has-transformed-what-we-expect-from-nba-superstars

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Posted: 8/13/2012 11:43:58 PM
enough w/ comparing either Jordan or Magic to Lebron.
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James is certainly more talented, but it's almost impossible to have more moxie than Magic.  
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Posted: 8/14/2012 12:00:57 PM

Totally diagreed that Lebron is a punk.  You must not watch enough sports.

To me punks are: Andrew Bynum, Latrell Sprewell, Chad Johnson, Terrel Owens....etc

Lebron is not even close to been a punk.

With time, Lebron will become one of the greatness in basketball, maybe in his own category.  IMO, he is a combination of Hakeem, Karl Malone, Jordan and Magic put together.

Only time will tell 

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Posted: 8/14/2012 12:48:23 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by earl24343:

even magic admits Lebron is better


Magic is a classy guy.  53 year old Magic said that.  Magic never would have said anybody was better than him during his playing days.
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Posted: 8/14/2012 1:05:36 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by ct1016:

LBJ will pass Magic in every NBA statistical category "including: career ASSISTS.

Wierd thing, is he will also pass Jordan and Kobe in EVERY statistical category yet folks want to REWARD magic for playing with better teammates (Kareem, Worthy, Wilkes, even Perkins, Mcadoo, etc..etc)....and Kobe too is  rewarded for playing with Shaq's power...Gasol skill....even Bynum #2 center....etc..etc......PHIL JACKSON coaching is also something LBJ did not benefit from nor did he have Pat Riley coaching him either.......so folks all things are not even with this TEAM comparisons

LBJ finally played with some legit talent last year and this year....and gets to Finals both years

folks, LBJ may live in the Finals the next  not 1 not 2 not 3....

years now that he too is playing with quality talent and a team

I watched Magic play too....LBJ is better....and once he makes it to four or give STRAIGHT finals then folks will see it too

But lets stick to this theme of what LBJ has done....to me STATS is a true measure is one player better than another....particularly stats accumulated over a period of time or a career

Of the top 10 seasons of the best Rated Player of all time....LBJ has at least four (maybe five???) of those seasons already.....and LBJ has only played in 9 seasons

also based on how LBJ's all around play is the norm...he probably will bounce Wilt, Oscar or maybe even Jordan from the top 10 of the highest rated seasons of all time.    I don't think folks understand    PLAYER RATING    or they wouldn't keep asking who's better......the computers have already assessed this and it evaluates and considers  a player's pts, rebs, assts, steals, blocks,  point differential while on floor, VALUE ADDED...etc..etc....and LBJ is consistently on top in the current year's play....and at the end of the season it proves to be a historical top 10 season of all time.

I also provided another link....that compares LBJ to todays greats and yester year greats......when it is all said and done....LBJs numbers and impact will be out of this stratosphere

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1295706-how-lebron-james-has-transformed-what-we-expect-from-nba-superstars




5 championships to 1 is the stat that matters most.  Beating a 22 year old Kevin Durant pales in comparison to beating Dr. J, Larry Bird & Isaiah Thomas in their primes.  Every member of the 
Celtics starting line-up of the mid eighties made at least one all-star game (4 are HOF).  The Pistons team Magic beat has 3 HOF and they did it to win back to back against a Pistons team that was hungry as hell and with Kareem playing in his 20th season.  Yes, Kareem was a great player but Magic had him on the downside of his career and still won.  Magic won over 70 % of the time he stepped on the floor to Lebron's 56 %.  Magic never quit on his teammates.  Lebron's legacy is forever tarnished by his quitting.  Lebron quit on his "friend" D. Wade in game 4 against the Mavs after the media began talking about how it was Wade's team and Lebron was his sidekick.  Lebron is a phony snake.
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Posted: 8/14/2012 1:27:07 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by dimeplayer68:

Totally diagreed that Lebron is a punk.  You must not watch enough sports.

To me punks are: Andrew Bynum, Latrell Sprewell, Chad Johnson, Terrel Owens....etc

Lebron is not even close to been a punk.

With time, Lebron will become one of the greatness in basketball, maybe in his own category.  IMO, he is a combination of Hakeem, Karl Malone, Jordan and Magic put together.

Only time will tell 



Coward is what I should have wrote.  He doesn't fit the definition of a punk but he does fit the definition of a coward.  Whenever he gets whacked in the head in never wants to mix it up which speaks to a lack of toughness which is what winning championships comes down to in the end.
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Posted: 8/14/2012 1:54:06 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by geordie:




5 championships to 1 is the stat that matters most.  Beating a 22 year old Kevin Durant pales in comparison to beating Dr. J, Larry Bird & Isaiah Thomas in their primes.  Every member of the 
Celtics starting line-up of the mid eighties made at least one all-star game (4 are HOF).  The Pistons team Magic beat has 3 HOF and they did it to win back to back against a Pistons team that was hungry as hell and with Kareem playing in his 20th season.  Yes, Kareem was a great player but Magic had him on the downside of his career (he was already 33 when they beat the Sixers in '80) and still won.  Magic won over 70 % of the time he stepped on the floor to Lebron's 56 %.  Magic never quit on his teammates.  Lebron's legacy is forever tarnished by his quitting.  Lebron quit on his "friend" D. Wade in game 4 against the Mavs after the media began talking about how it was Wade's team and Lebron was his sidekick.  Lebron is a phony snake.
 

Correction: '88 Pistons had 4 HOF(and 4 time all-star Laimbeer). I forgot about Adrian Dantley.

The '80 & '82 Sixers-Magic's weakest finals opponents- were better than the too young Thunder.  Lebron still has not earned his way into this discussion. 
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QUOTE Originally Posted by geordie:

 

Correction: '88 Pistons had 4 HOF(and 4 time all-star Laimbeer). I forgot about Adrian Dantley.

The '80 & '82 Sixers-Magic's weakest finals opponents- were better than the too young Thunder.  Lebron still has not earned his way into this discussion. 

Magic didn't have mince meet for teammates, either.  Worthy, AC Green, Byron Scott, M. Thompson, M. Cooper, Rambis.  They had great roll players in addition to their stars.   

But they had to go through much tougher opponents.....I certainly agree with that.  

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QUOTE Originally Posted by geordie:

 

Correction: '88 Pistons had 4 HOF(and 4 time all-star Laimbeer). I forgot about Adrian Dantley.

The '80 & '82 Sixers-Magic's weakest finals opponents- were better than the too young Thunder.  Lebron still has not earned his way into this discussion. 

Magic didn't have mince meet for teammates, either.  Worthy, AC Green, Byron Scott, M. Thompson, M. Cooper, Rambis.  They had great roll players in addition to their stars.   

But they had to go through much tougher opponents.....I certainly agree with that.  

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Posted: 8/14/2012 3:09:03 PM
Even I now respect Lebron's game. He really grew up this season. Blew me away.
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Comparing players today to players from 20-25 years is pointless though. Its a completely new game now.
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Posted: 8/14/2012 5:29:51 PM
why cant we just wait to his career is over before we make comparisons. yes lebron mite pass jordan in career stats IF he plays longer than MJ if u want to compare statu have to do it year to year if lebron plays 18 years aposed to mj playin 15 then u cant compare that. Lebron will ,ost likely go down as all time great but please stop comparing him to magic mj or kobe. he is not there YET he will probably end up there but its completely disrespectful to those guy. In LBJs 9th year he has 1 ring yes he was completely dominant this year but i want to see it 4 5 6 times before we start comparing. and with the lakers now and okc only getin better its no guarantee he gets another anytime soon. my opinion they match up horrible against lakers. One day this will b great convo but for now lbj has a long way to go to enter magic territory neva mind kobe or mj
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Posted: 8/14/2012 6:40:07 PM
Lebron is a better defender.  Lebron is better at getting his own shot off.  Lebron is much better blocking shots.

Magic is a better passer, better floor general, make his teammates better, better free throw shooter, better decision maker, better in the clutch.

Magic was not a good outside shooter until later in his career.

Both guys are superstars. 
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Posted: 8/14/2012 8:26:48 PM

Lebron is on pace to pass these guys not because he is playing more games .....he is the fastest and youngest to this....fastest and youngest to that.....he came into the league producing right away....no learning curve

His curse is not his game....his game is as flawless as they come.

His curse is that he was drafted by an awaful organization with an awful front office.....and the fanatics (us fans) think that he was suppose to overcome that

Magic had Jerry West and Pat Riley.....great office and coach

MJ had Krause and Phil Jackson...great office and coach

Kobe jad Jerry West then Kupchak and Phil Jackson ...great office and coach

Lebron had who and who......silas....??.....mike brown??? then they hired byron scott to convince him to stay before he left

c'mon man

I agree with the post that said....this comparison will be easier and it will be clearer to the haters that they are on the wrong side of history.....LBJ #'s will be off the chart when it is all said and done.....titles are a team and front office and yes teammates thing......and LBJ did not join that race til he got the heck out of cleveland and got his behind to south beach

Folks trying to convince me (my opinion) that titles is the ultimate criteria to determine who is better than another player is like     "someone pissing on me and then trying to convince me that it is raining"           to me it's just not the case.

A players stats is what determines greatness.....and lbj will pass...magic, kobe, jordan.....even Jabbar.......

1)   5 out of the top 10 rated seasons of all time already belongs to LBJ

2)  What player in history....facilitated his team;s offense....was also leading scorer on team.....leading assist guy on team....ran down folks and blocked their shots.....held folks at his position to 20% fg shooting percentage.....was capable of grabbing double digit rebounds.....best finisher on the break in the league.....guarded multiple positions in the same game....and during crunch time guarded the other teams best pg, sg, sf or pf?????      Answer is      No   Bod    eeee

3)   Rookie of year, 3 NBA MVP, NBA Final MVP, Scoring Champ, 2 gold medals, will be #1 all time scorer, will be top 3 in career steals.....will be top 3 in career assists......will be #1 SF of all time....will continue to bounce either wilt, jordan or oscar from the top 10 as he continues to have highly efficient and rated seasons (see #1).....

4)   And most importantly....I think the heat is about to go on a run and make maybe 5 or 6 consecutive nba finals in a row.....in other words....as great as LBJ is already....his narrative is still being written becuase he is nowhere near done

media actually think he will be an improved player next year - and be in the post  even more......scary thought.....not to mention that Ray Ray and Rashard joined the heatles too.

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Posted: 8/15/2012 3:16:20 AM
Lebron..aint even close.
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QUOTEbullshit Originally Posted by ct1016:

LBJ will pass Magic in every NBA statistical category "including: career ASSISTS.

Wierd thing, is he will also pass Jordan and Kobe in EVERY statistical category yet folks want to REWARD magic for playing with better teammates (Kareem, Worthy, Wilkes, even Perkins, Mcadoo, etc..etc)....and Kobe too is  rewarded for playing with Shaq's power...Gasol skill....even Bynum #2 center....etc..etc......PHIL JACKSON coaching is also something LBJ did not benefit from nor did he have Pat Riley coaching him either.......so folks all things are not even with this TEAM comparisons

LBJ finally played with some legit talent last year and this year....and gets to Finals both years

folks, LBJ may live in the Finals the next  not 1 not 2 not 3....

years now that he too is playing with quality talent and a team

I watched Magic play too....LBJ is better....and once he makes it to four or give STRAIGHT finals then folks will see it too

But lets stick to this theme of what LBJ has done....to me STATS is a true measure is one player better than another....particularly stats accumulated over a period of time or a career

Of the top 10 seasons of the best Rated Player of all time....LBJ has at least four (maybe five???) of those seasons already.....and LBJ has only played in 9 seasons

also based on how LBJ's all around play is the norm...he probably will bounce Wilt, Oscar or maybe even Jordan from the top 10 of the highest rated seasons of all time.    I don't think folks understand    PLAYER RATING    or they wouldn't keep asking who's better......the computers have already assessed this and it evaluates and considers  a player's pts, rebs, assts, steals, blocks,  point differential while on floor, VALUE ADDED...etc..etc....and LBJ is consistently on top in the current year's play....and at the end of the season it proves to be a historical top 10 season of all time.

I also provided another link....that compares LBJ to todays greats and yester year greats......when it is all said and done....LBJs numbers and impact will be out of this stratosphere

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1295706-how-lebron-james-has-transformed-what-we-expect-from-nba-superstars



BULLSHIT.  YOU ARE A friggin MORON WHO CLEARLY CAN'T READ PEOPLE.  HOW OLD ARE YOU?  YOU HAVE TO BE AT LEAST 40 YEARS OLD TO EVEN HAVE AN OPINION.  I REMEMBER 1980 (I WAS 8 YEARS OLD) WHEN "MAGIC" WON THE TITLE W/ 33 YEAR OLD KAREEM INJURED.  I WATCHED MAGIC WIN 3 TITLES WITH OLD KAREEM AGAINST TEAMS WITH 4 HOF-ERS.  STATS MATTER MORE THAN TITLES IS THE STUPIDEST THING I'VE HEARD IN A WHILE.  ASK LEBRON WANT MATTERS MORE, STATS TITLES OR NBA TITLES?  YOU KNOW THE ANSWER.  I DON'T KNOW YOU BUT I HATE YOU.  I WISH I COULD SLAP YOUR IDIOTIC FACE RIGHT NOW.  IT'S PEOPLE LIKE YOU THAT HAVE ME LOOKING FORWARD TO THE COMING ECONOMIC COLLAPSE.  THE MASSES ARE fools AND DESERVE WHAT THEY GET.  DEREGULATE WALL STREET SO THE THIEVES CAN ROB US UNSUPERVISED?  DID YOU VOTE FOR REAGAN, TOO?  THAT SOB STARTED THE PUSH TO DEREGULATE WALL STREET.  OF COURSE, THE DEMOCRATS ARE ON BOARD NOW.  IT'S NOT UNBELIEVABLE WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THIS COUNTRY.  THIS COUNTRY IS FULL OF MORONS LIKE YOU.  THE MASSES ARE THE PROBLEM.  OF COURSE THIEVES WILL ROB IF ALLOWED TO.  I DON'T BLAME THEM, THEY CAN'T HELP THEMSELVES.  I BLAME IDIOTS LIKE YOU.  DIE guy DIE!
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@ wareeagle....you are correct.   LBJ is not close.  But the reason he is not close is becuase his career is not close to being over.  Once his career is over then we can make a true comparison of one person career to another person's career.

@georgie....1st thing 1st.....all caps....and your language....are you stressed...are you angry...wishing me to die.....this is not that serious...we are fans....and should support our OPINIONS with facts.....and valid memories.................

c'mon man....this is sports...and we are fans.

Now, your Magic memories are valid.  Since you asked, I too am 40+ years old.....The lakers were my favorite team in the 80's and I cheered for Magic over Bird in the 80's......and I remember those Lakers like it was yesterday.....As great as Magic was and is...he benfefitted from playing with HALL OF FAMERS (Kareem and Worthy)....and had great rebounders and shooters to support his skills....and they could get their own shot (Norm Nixon, Bob McAdoo..etc..etc...)....but your reference to an old Kareem is true but incomplete....even an old kareem had an unstoppable and unblockable SKY HOOK shot....the best signature move in NBA history.....Magic had that to go to in the crunch time...LBJ never played with any hall of famers in Cleveland and when Shaq got there...it was not the good ole Shaq .....it was an OLD Shaq.

What player doesn't want titles more....but when you have been drafted #1 by a poorly ran poorly coached team with NO HALL OF FAMERS on the roster to play with....well there will be No titles.

That's when we (maybe only me -- lol)  must be able to say.....hmmmm that JIM BROWN guy sure can run the ball but he sure didn't have any help....I think he is better than OJ Simpson.

But the media has blinded folks into thinking that TITLES which take Team offense...Team defense...Great Coaching....and Front Office leadership.....is what determines how great the individual player is......c'mon man......."don't piss on me and tell me it's raining"

That propaganda just ain't right.

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Posted: 8/15/2012 7:46:59 AM

Magic ...had Jerry West in front office...Pat Riley coaching

all time great leaders

Jordan had Krause and Phil Jackson

all time great leaders

Kobe had Jerry West then Kupchak and Phil Jackson

all time great leaders

Who was LBJ front office folks and coach

front office???? coach silas and mike brown then a potential Byron Scott

c'mon man.....LBJ had to get to South Beach with Riley.....and we are starting to see something special  NOW

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QUOTE Originally Posted by geordie:



BULLSHIT.  YOU ARE A friggin MORON WHO CLEARLY CAN'T READ PEOPLE.  HOW OLD ARE YOU?  YOU HAVE TO BE AT LEAST 40 YEARS OLD TO EVEN HAVE AN OPINION.  I REMEMBER 1980 (I WAS 8 YEARS OLD) WHEN "MAGIC" WON THE TITLE W/ 33 YEAR OLD KAREEM INJURED.  I WATCHED MAGIC WIN 3 TITLES WITH OLD KAREEM AGAINST TEAMS WITH 4 HOF-ERS.  STATS MATTER MORE THAN TITLES IS THE STUPIDEST THING I'VE HEARD IN A WHILE.  ASK LEBRON WANT MATTERS MORE, STATS TITLES OR NBA TITLES?  YOU KNOW THE ANSWER.  I DON'T KNOW YOU BUT I HATE YOU.  I WISH I COULD SLAP YOUR IDIOTIC FACE RIGHT NOW.  IT'S PEOPLE LIKE YOU THAT HAVE ME LOOKING FORWARD TO THE COMING ECONOMIC COLLAPSE.  THE MASSES ARE fools AND DESERVE WHAT THEY GET.  DEREGULATE WALL STREET SO THE THIEVES CAN ROB US UNSUPERVISED?  DID YOU VOTE FOR REAGAN, TOO?  THAT SOB STARTED THE PUSH TO DEREGULATE WALL STREET.  OF COURSE, THE DEMOCRATS ARE ON BOARD NOW.  IT'S NOT UNBELIEVABLE WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THIS COUNTRY.  THIS COUNTRY IS FULL OF MORONS LIKE YOU.  THE MASSES ARE THE PROBLEM.  OF COURSE THIEVES WILL ROB IF ALLOWED TO.  I DON'T BLAME THEM, THEY CAN'T HELP THEMSELVES.  I BLAME IDIOTS LIKE YOU.  DIE guy DIE!

This guy 

Suck my person tough guy 
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