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#26 Posted: 7/22/2012 10:52:21 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by Asomugha:
Tell me, what would a normal person gain in weight by eating 2000 calories from vegetables or 2000 calories from ice cream? I know for a fact that there is no difference (because i have studied this for years now) when it comes to WEIGHT LOSS.
But you probably cant tell because you are just a randon-i-dont-know-garbage about diet like everyone else, maybe you heard something from your father, or a stupid cherry picking study, but you havent STUDIED diet like i do every day. I read about diet like 2 hours a day, every day. You probably havent spent more than 5 minutes reading a random article and then based your oppinion.
You will be surprised on how the body works some day, trust me. Eventually you wont because u dont give a darn.
No one can tell this guy anything because he knows for a fact that the earth is flat. 
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#29 Posted: 7/23/2012 2:01:27 AM I think lilly might be saying that ya might lack the aptitude to guage your metabolism, water levels, strength and blood circulation - etc.
Takes time and ya won't find a whole lot in a book or magazine.
The food you eat should gather a noted response pre an post workout. But I'm new to all of this workout stuff. |
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#30 Posted: 7/23/2012 3:00:34 AM Asomugha. You claim to study diet every day. You still come off as a dumb behind.
Healthy foods make you feel full. Unhealthy foods do not. Your little example with ice cream and veggies is meaningless.
You could eat the veggies and feel full. You couldn't with the ice cream, you'd undoubtedly crave something else. It is not realistic.
You are neglecting the fact that healthy foods can appease the appetite, while the unhealthy choices will fail to do so, making one go over and above the minimum calorie intake put forth.
Oh but you study diet every day............ |
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#31 Posted: 7/23/2012 5:25:52 AM
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#32 Posted: 7/23/2012 8:10:04 AM
why are you still lying?
My point was just that, there is no difference between 1000 calories
from icecream or 1000 calories from vegetables WHEN IT COMES TO LOSING
WEIGHT, its the same output, this means that if a little boy ONLY gets
1000 calories of icecream a day, and another boy gets 1000 calories of
vegetables/meat/oats a day they will still gain / lose the same amount
of weight 
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#33 Posted: 7/23/2012 9:12:44 AM
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#34 Posted: 7/23/2012 9:21:12 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by slikstiks99: Asomugha. You claim to study diet every day. You still come off as a dumb behind.
Healthy foods make you feel full. Unhealthy foods do not. Your little example with ice cream and veggies is meaningless.
You could eat the veggies and feel full. You couldn't with the ice cream, you'd undoubtedly crave something else. It is not realistic.
You are neglecting the fact that healthy foods can appease the appetite, while the unhealthy choices will fail to do so, making one go over and above the minimum calorie intake put forth.
Oh but you study diet every day............
Low GI foods, which cause your blood sugar levels to rise and fall slowly over time, help you feel fuller for longer.
not all foods with a low GI are healthy
GI for those that do not know
= Glycemic Index
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#35 Posted: 7/23/2012 9:38:10 AM
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#36 Posted: 7/23/2012 9:41:38 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by ClubDirt: asomugha, i think the issue is your taking an extreme position. your body is much more complicated than that. we aren't saying that calories don't matter. yes, if you eat something, it's going to get used or stored. yes, you can gain weight eating the best calories if you consume more than you need, which is not easy to do with good calories. but yes, 1000 bad calories does not equal 1000 good calories whether we are talking about health, hormonal response, metabolism, biology, or weight gain. your body does not react the same to different nutrients just because we've assigned the same unit of measurement to them, i.e. the calorie. this guy is saying what we are saying, although he does it better than i am: Gary Taubes never said calories do not matter. The point is using
calories in/out to "explain" weight gain is a tautology. Acknowledging
this does not invalidate the First Law of Thermodynamics. It is an
attempt to shift ones focus on the hormonal impacts of macronutrient
consumption. The focus on gluttony/sloth - eat less/move more - has not
yielded any consistent long term results since you are fighting your
natural set point. By adjusting the macronutrient composition and more
importantly, avoid Neolithic Agents of Diseases - you can shift the
hormonal response in your favor We did not evolve with bomb calorimeters and so counting calories is
futile and doesn't work. It's not that calories don't matter, but what
is actionable by using a tautology to improve oneself...nothing.
This was the point of Taubes as I have understood it.
i would add that artificial calorie counting and calorie deprivation screws up yopur metabolism which will ultimately result in a negative weight gain reaction.
Gary Taubes
Born in Rochester, New York, Taubes
studied
applied physics at Harvard University and aerospace engineering at Stanford University (MS, 1978).
After receiving a master's degree in journalism at Columbia University in 1981,
Taubes joined Discover magazine as a staff reporter in 1982.
Since then he has written numerous articles for Discover, Science and other magazines. Originally focusing on physics issues,
his interests have more recently turned to medicine and nutrition.
Taubes's books have all dealt with scientific controversies.
Nobel Dreams takes a critical look at the politics and experimental techniques behind the Nobel Prize-winning work of physicist Carlo Rubbia.
Bad Science is a chronicle of the short-lived media frenzy surrounding the Pons-Fleischmann cold fusion experiments of 1989.
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#37 Posted: 7/23/2012 9:55:20 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by Asomugha:
Thats right BMA, most Low GI foods are however more likely to be healthy, but you can also find high GI foods that are healthy like Oats. Oats are still complex carbs and slow absorbing carbs with lots of nutritional benefits. So yeah, its good to use the GI to see if a certain food is good to eat or not, so it can be used as a guideline, it is however not an exact answer. You cant see by looking at the GI what will happen to your blood sugar if u mix too things up, like sauce and rice, this way some foods may raise your blood sugar even tho they are low on the GI.
I agree with all what you have said in your posts
You exhibit the subject knowledge and understanding as would be shown by a health professional.
Some read books that are out there by controversial authors and unproven statements that have no clinical evidence base.
Yet lack the basic understanding of calories.
If people can't even grasp the significance of the daily calorie intake, then how can they understand anything about nutritional quality or about, Fats,Proteins, Carbohydrates, Vitamins, Fiber.
To achieve weight loss you have to eat less calories and use more calories.
Evidence shows that the best way to lose weight is to make long-term changes to diet and physical activity
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#38 Posted: 7/23/2012 10:12:28 AM
what we are saying is the calroies in vs. calories burned equation is oversimplistic, ignores many of your bodily functions and is not a healthy or effective way to go about a long term eating strategy whether you are trying to be healthy, lose weight or maintain weight.
i'm not going to repeat why we think you guys are not so much wrong, although you are, but more just way outside of where you need to be to understand the issue. you guys are doing simple subtraction when the issue requires calculus.
but i think you two ultimjately answer be easy's initial question. calories and cholksterol numbers are considered important because they oversimplify the issue making it easy for anyone to think they understand, and making success easy to allegedly prove, which at the end of the day, makes bullshit and bullshit products easier to sell, i.e. your cholesterol is x, take these pills and it will be y.
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#39 Posted: 7/23/2012 10:43:58 AM
welcome to the discussion, BMA the liar
I guess i need to be more specific, in that when i'm talking about weight loss, it is in reference to FAT loss. I guess you can pat eachother on the back after advising someone who'd like to lose weight, to have a limb amputated, a lobotomy, or a breast reduction
Your body does not store fat based on a surplus of calories, so it is silly to assume that causing a deficiency in caloric intake will result in FAT loss. Fat storage is regulated by hormones (insulin), via the pancreas secreting insulin as a feedback response to the liver flooding the body with glucagon.
I understand that you were instructed to think otherwise, but (wether or not this was intentional misinformation) it is misinformation. Obese people (in general) suffer from insulin sensitivity, where the feedback system breaks down from consuming complex carbs/sugars over time, and the body turns to storing more and more fat. To reverse this breakdown of our human bodys system, the solution is to disregard how many calories one takes in, and rather focus on something tangible that actually effects fat storage, and that is carbohydrates/sugar
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#40 Posted: 7/23/2012 10:48:05 AM
Weston Andrew Valleau Price[1] (September 6, 1870 – January 23, 1948) was a dentist
known primarily for his theories on the relationship between nutrition,
dental health, and physical health. He founded the research institute
of the National Dental Association, which later became the research section of the American Dental Association, and served as its chair from 1914–1928.[2][3][4]
Price initially did dental research on the relationship between endodontic therapy and pulpless teeth and broader systemic disease, known as focal infection theory, a theory which resulted in many extractions of tonsils and teeth.[5] Focal infection theory fell out of favor in the 1930s and was pushed to the margins of dentistry by the 1950s.[6]
By 1930, Price had shifted his interest to nutrition. In 1939, he published Nutrition and Physical Degeneration,[7]
detailing his global travels studying the diets and nutrition of
various cultures. The book concludes that aspects of a modern Western
diet (particularly flour, sugar, and modern processed vegetable fats)
cause nutritional deficiencies that are a cause of many dental issues
and health problems. The dental issues he observed include the proper
development of the facial structure (to avoid overcrowding of the teeth)
in addition to dental caries. This work received mixed reviews, and
continues to be cited today by proponents of many different theories,
including controversial dentistry and nutritional theories.
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#41 Posted: 7/23/2012 10:51:37 AM
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his paycheck is dependent on his not understanding it"
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#42 Posted: 7/23/2012 11:17:54 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by be easy: well look what we have here, a convention of liars welcome to the discussion, BMA the liar I guess i need to be more specific, in that when i'm talking about weight loss, it is in reference to FAT loss. I guess you can pat eachother on the back after advising someone who'd like to lose weight, to have a limb amputated, a lobotomy, or a breast reduction Your body does not store fat based on a surplus of calories, so it is silly to assume that causing a deficiency in caloric intake will result in FAT loss. Fat storage is regulated by hormones (insulin), via the pancreas secreting insulin as a feedback response to the liver flooding the body with glucagon. I understand that you were instructed to think otherwise, but (wether or not this was intentional misinformation) it is misinformation. Obese people (in general) suffer from insulin sensitivity, where the feedback system breaks down from consuming complex carbs/sugars over time, and the body turns to storing more and more fat. To reverse this breakdown of our human bodys system, the solution is to disregard how many calories one takes in, and rather focus on something tangible that actually effects fat storage, and that is carbohydrates/sugar
Obesity is when a person is carrying too much body fat for their height and sex.
A person is considered obese if they have a body mass index (BMI) of 30.
Today’s way of life is less physically active than it used to be.
So calories eaten are not getting burnt off as energy. Instead, the extra calories are stored as fat.
Without lifestyle changes to increase the amount of physical activity
done on a daily basis, or reduce the amount of calories consumed, people
can become obese.
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#43 Posted: 7/23/2012 11:19:30 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by be easy: well look what we have here, a convention of liars welcome to the discussion, BMA the liar I guess i need to be more specific, in that when i'm talking about weight loss, it is in reference to FAT loss. I guess you can pat eachother on the back after advising someone who'd like to lose weight, to have a limb amputated, a lobotomy, or a breast reduction Your body does not store fat based on a surplus of calories, so it is silly to assume that causing a deficiency in caloric intake will result in FAT loss. Fat storage is regulated by hormones (insulin), via the pancreas secreting insulin as a feedback response to the liver flooding the body with glucagon. I understand that you were instructed to think otherwise, but (wether or not this was intentional misinformation) it is misinformation. Obese people (in general) suffer from insulin sensitivity, where the feedback system breaks down from consuming complex carbs/sugars over time, and the body turns to storing more and more fat. To reverse this breakdown of our human bodys system, the solution is to disregard how many calories one takes in, and rather focus on something tangible that actually effects fat storage, and that is carbohydrates/sugar
Obesity is treated by losing weight,
which can be achieved through a healthy, calorie-controlled diet and increased exercise.
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#44 Posted: 7/23/2012 11:23:23 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by be easy: well look what we have here, a convention of liars welcome to the discussion, BMA the liar I guess i need to be more specific, in that when i'm talking about weight loss, it is in reference to FAT loss. I guess you can pat eachother on the back after advising someone who'd like to lose weight, to have a limb amputated, a lobotomy, or a breast reduction Your body does not store fat based on a surplus of calories, so it is silly to assume that causing a deficiency in caloric intake will result in FAT loss. Fat storage is regulated by hormones (insulin), via the pancreas secreting insulin as a feedback response to the liver flooding the body with glucagon. I understand that you were instructed to think otherwise, but (wether or not this was intentional misinformation) it is misinformation. Obese people (in general) suffer from insulin sensitivity, where the feedback system breaks down from consuming complex carbs/sugars over time, and the body turns to storing more and more fat. To reverse this breakdown of our human bodys system, the solution is to disregard how many calories one takes in, and rather focus on something tangible that actually effects fat storage, and that is carbohydrates/sugar
Weight gain occurs when we regularly put more energy into our bodies
than we use. Over time, that excess energy is stored by the body as fat.
Knowing the calorie content of foods can be a useful tool when it comes
to achieving or maintaining a healthy weight.
It can help us to keep
track of the amount of energy we are eating and drinking, and ensure
we're not consuming too much.
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#45 Posted: 7/23/2012 11:33:30 AM
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#46 Posted: 7/23/2012 11:43:11 AM
the link between nutritional and disease is well known. Period.
Just a few here
Scurvy
Rickets
Iron Deficiency Anemia
Vitamin B12 deficiency anemia
Coeliac Disease (Gluten Enteropathy)
Obesity as a risk for Cardiovascular Disease, Type2 diabetes Hypertension
Did Mr Price document the relationship between dental health and smoking, or the relationship between dental health and dental hygiene, or the role of genetics in dental health.
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#47 Posted: 7/23/2012 11:45:31 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by ClubDirt:
that's a good analogy. there are ways of understanding weight loss that are completely off the mark and show a complete misunderstanding of how your body works- amputate an arm, have one of those colonics that flush out all the buildup in your colon, put on a rubber suit and go run in the 95 degree weather and take those pills that make you lose your water weight and finally, burn more calories than you take in without distinguishing between good calories and what bad calories do to your system. all of those are ways to lose weight in the short term (none of them healthy or sustainable) and all of them are misguided ways of approaching the issue.
repeat post #43
Obesity is treated by losing weight,
which can be achieved through a healthy, calorie-controlled diet and increased exercise.
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#48 Posted: 7/23/2012 11:47:21 AM
It can help us to keep
track of the amount of energy we are eating and drinking
yes, calories are helpful for that as calories are merely a unit of measurement of energy producing potential from food. and if you stopped there, i think we'd all agree. but you take that definition and apply to everything involving weight loss to try to oversimplify a compelx issue.
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#49 Posted: 7/23/2012 11:53:29 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by ClubDirt:
that's a good analogy. there are ways of understanding weight loss that are completely off the mark and show a complete misunderstanding of how your body works- amputate an arm, have one of those colonics that flush out all the buildup in your colon, put on a rubber suit and go run in the 95 degree weather and take those pills that make you lose your water weight and finally, burn more calories than you take in without distinguishing between good calories and what bad calories do to your system. all of those are ways to lose weight in the short term (none of them healthy or sustainable) and all of them are misguided ways of approaching the issue.
Lets make it crystal clear.
Its not Astro Physics
A healthy, balanced diet is an ESSENTIAL part of maintaining good health.
simple
Eat the right number of calories for how active you are, so that you balance the energy you consume with the energy you use. If you eat or drink too much, you’ll put on weight. If you eat too little you’ll lose weight.
Eat a wide range of foods to ensure that you’re getting a balanced diet and that your body is receiving all the nutrients it needs.
Hard to put it any simpler.
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#50 Posted: 7/23/2012 12:02:10 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by ClubDirt:
It can help us to keep
track of the amount of energy we are eating and drinking
yes, calories are helpful for that as calories are merely a unit of measurement of energy producing potential from food. and if you stopped there, i think we'd all agree. but you take that definition and apply to everything involving weight loss to try to oversimplify a compelx issue.
Calories are a significant unit ..
That's why they are included on food packaging.
Tips
Base your meals on starchy foods
Eat lots of fruit and veg
Eat more fish
Cut down on saturated fat and sugar
Eat less salt
Get active and be a healthy weight
Don't get thirsty
Don’t skip breakfast
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