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Posted: 7/17/2008 9:47:53 PM
ROMO!!
McNabb is not accurate!!!
 
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Posted: 7/17/2008 11:32:42 PM
Romo, McNabb's best is behind him,
and Romo's is now...
 
                       
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Posted: 7/18/2008 2:29:04 AM
We are comparing two very different QB'S when it comes to a proven QB in McNabb and a very green QB in Romo. People will jump in and say he is not proven b/c he has not won a championship, but you have to look at the numbers b/c he has a very high winning percentage over the years.
 
McNabb's career started out very much different than that of Romo. McNabb was a  top pick and was thrown into the fire right away compared to Romo who was a kid who went to a small school (rightfully so) and was drafted whenever and was groomed very slowly.
 
McNabb was given nothing right from the beginning and he found a way to win b/c he is a great athlete. Romo was groomed and given great weapons and has still yet to win a playoff game.
 
So we are sitting here comparing apples to oranges b/c they are not in the same category b/c even at McNabb's age I think he is still quicker, faster and has a stronger arm. Not to mention he is much smarter than Romo right now b/c of experience. To think McNabb is fat think again b/c I could imagine if you got these two in the weightroom to see who could bench 225 more I know who my money is on & as far as arm strength just look at the film.
 
McNabb's body is a bit worn down b/c of injuries he has endured b/c he is a playmaker. He has made plays last a lot longer b/c of his atheltic ability & has gotten hit b/c of his playmaking ability. He has never really had any receiver long enough or talented enough to establish chemistry during his career in Philly.
 
As far as Mcnabb being inaccurate, it is hard to throw to your receivers when they get no separation b/c you do not have a number 1 receiver. He throws too low often b/c it is better to miss low than high.
 
Just look at Romo's playoff games and then talk about cracking under pressure (in the first round). If I remember correctly is was pretty bad.
 
I think you guys should be comparing Big Ben to Romo b/c they came into the league under the similar circumstances (they were on good teams with playmakers on offense with a running game)
 
 
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Posted: 7/18/2008 8:37:07 AM
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Posted: 7/18/2008 9:55:36 AM

UPDATE:

ROMO 20

McNABB 14

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Posted: 7/18/2008 10:44:57 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by westcoastTrojan:

It amazes me that people think Romo is even anything more than just above average.
 
McNabb all the way.

 

you either have not watched Romo play enough or you listen to the media too much. the same crap was said about Romo last offseason and then he brok every cowboy passing record in his FIRST full season as the starter. its amazing that even though he has all the cowboy records already (single season) in his first year, you guys think he can't get better. hell even if he stays the same he is the 3rd best QB in the NFL.

 

why does it amaze you that people think Romo is a really good Qb when he broke every dallas record in his FIRST full year as a starter?

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Posted: 7/18/2008 1:40:04 PM

This doesn't have ANYTHING to do with THIS SEASON!!!!!!!

Looking @ the 2 qbs in their first 2 yrs as starters in the playoffs.

Somewhat interesting.

McNabb

2001 vsBucs(H) 21-324/33 161yds 2TD 1INT  8-32ydsrush 1TD

2001vsNY(A) 20-10 L 20/41 181 yds 1TD 1INT 5-17 yds rush

2002vsBucs(H)31-9 W 16/25 194yds  2TD 1INT 4-57yds rush

2002vsBears(A)33-14W 26/40 262yds 2TD 1INT 8-37yds rush 1TD

2002vsRams(A)29-24L 18/30 171yds 1TD 1INT 4-26yds rush 1TD

 

Romo

2006vsSea(A)21-20L 17/29 189yds 1TD 0 INT 1-0yds rush

2007vsNY(H)21-17L 18-36 201 yds 1TD 1INT 3-17yds rush

 

These numbers may be a reason that EVERYBODY isn't on board w/Romo.

Bmor--------Based on these numbers/results, one could say that Romo is overhyped by the media.  You posted on another thread that you want numbers/facts to back things up. 

 

Again, these numbers don't have a bearing on this season.  I just think some shouldn't be overzealous when predicting  this kids future. 

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Posted: 7/18/2008 1:54:23 PM
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Posted: 7/18/2008 2:54:54 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by ltbdubz5:

This doesn't have ANYTHING to do with THIS SEASON!!!!!!!

Looking @ the 2 qbs in their first 2 yrs as starters in the playoffs.

Somewhat interesting.

McNabb

2001 vsBucs(H) 21-324/33 161yds 2TD 1INT  8-32ydsrush 1TD

2001vsNY(A) 20-10 L 20/41 181 yds 1TD 1INT 5-17 yds rush

2002vsBucs(H)31-9 W 16/25 194yds  2TD 1INT 4-57yds rush

2002vsBears(A)33-14W 26/40 262yds 2TD 1INT 8-37yds rush 1TD

2002vsRams(A)29-24L 18/30 171yds 1TD 1INT 4-26yds rush 1TD

 

Romo

2006vsSea(A)21-20L 17/29 189yds 1TD 0 INT 1-0yds rush

2007vsNY(H)21-17L 18-36 201 yds 1TD 1INT 3-17yds rush

 

These numbers may be a reason that EVERYBODY isn't on board w/Romo.

Bmor--------Based on these numbers/results, one could say that Romo is overhyped by the media.  You posted on another thread that you want numbers/facts to back things up. 

 

Again, these numbers don't have a bearing on this season.  I just think some shouldn't be overzealous when predicting  this kids future. 

 

i honestly don't see you point. here are the numbers for McNabb's and Romo's first 2 playoff games.

McNabb: 44/71 62% 342 yards 3 TD's 2 INT's

Romo: 35/65 54% 390 yards 2 TD's 1 INT

not much of a difference except McNabb has a better % and Romo threw for more yards while Romo has 1 less TD and INT then McNabb. Romo's only INT came on 4th and Goal from the 23 yard line with 12 seconds to play in the game so really besides a pass he had to force, he has not thrown any INT's in his first 2 playoff games. If you watched the Giant playoff game last year you would know that Romo was hurt by dropped passes. Crayton dropped a huge 3rd down pass that changed the game cause dallas had to punt and the subsequent good return set up the go ahead TD. Also Anthony Fasano dropped a TD pass that went right threw his hands and hit him square in the chest. I am sure McNabb has some of the same bad things happen to him as well but with those stats, i still don't see how McNabb was better in his first 2 playoff games then Romo was. i know McNabb went 1-1 but dallas could have easily won both playoff games they lost (they outgained both the giants and seahawks and out gained the giants 360-240) and it was not Romo's fault that they lost both although i do agree he did not play up to his normal excellent level in each but both times the whole cowboy team hit a funk in december and was backing into the playoffs in 06 and was 1-2 down the stretch last year so the entire team has been playin gits worst football late in the season the past 2 years.

i really don't see how these numbers support the argument that McNabb is a better QB then Romo

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Posted: 7/18/2008 3:00:11 PM
Romo also threw the ball 6 less times then McNabb did but threw for 52 more yards. Romo's yar per attempt was 6.00 and McNabb's was 4.82 (that is pitful...the league average is about 6.5 and the lowest yards per attempt by ANY QB last year was 5.5) . So romo was again more effective in getting the ball downfield
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Posted: 7/18/2008 3:06:43 PM
also notice that McNabb's defense gave up only 3 points in McNabb's first playoff game...Romo would have a playoff win if dallas' defense only gave up 3 points in his first playoff game. Also in McNabb's second playoff game, he could only lead the team to a pathetic 10 points
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Posted: 7/18/2008 3:30:39 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by ltbdubz5:

This doesn't have ANYTHING to do with THIS SEASON!!!!!!!

WTF???????? Dude, how many freakin' times have I told you?

THIS has EVERYTHING to do with THIS SEASON!!!!!!!!!

"WHO WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE AS YOUR STARTING QB FOR THE 2008 SEASON?"
 
Quit trying to turn this into your own thing, with your own rules.....
 
*****Once again, IF you were a Coach, a GM, or an Owner........WHO WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE AS YOUR STARTING QB FOR THE 2008 SEASON?*****
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Posted: 7/18/2008 3:48:30 PM
I can't believe how much people get on Romo's behind for being 0-2 in the playoffs.....
 
He's only been a damn starter for 1.5 seasons. Give the guy a freaking chance. Like I've said what seems like a million times already on here, let's see what the guy does over the next 5 to 10 seasons. I never knew we judged a quarterback's worth based on whether or not they WON their first 2 playoff games.
 
His first playoff game, where he had only been the starter for like half the season..... the Cowboys played a very conservative game under Parcells. Romo had his team in a position to win the game (they should've just scored the TD when they had the chance) on the road in a very hostile environment. Unfortunately he dropped the snap, that could've happened to anyone, oh well. My opinion on that though is that there's no reason in hell the starting QB should be holding on FG attempts anyway, that was bad coaching IMO.
 
Then last season like bmore said, he was hurt by a lot of dropped passes. That's not really his fault. Again, they were in a position to win (which they should have), but, it didn't happen. Now let's think about, they did lose to the eventual Super Bowl Champion, a team that got VERY hot at just the right time, and a team that beat defeated the first undefeated team since 1972 to win that Super Bowl. Is it really a bad loss losing to that Giants team last season??? Sure, as a Cowboys fan it friggin SUCKED!!!!!!! But, in retrospect, they HAD the win against the eventual Champion.
 
So, I wish people would quit with the ridiculous talk of him being 0-2 in the playoffs, it really is insane, asinine, ignorant, ludicrous, dumb, and stupid.......AT LEAST ALLOW THE GUY TO START FOR 5 FREAKING SEASONS BEFORE MAKING THOSE COMPARISONS.
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Posted: 7/18/2008 3:51:28 PM
Settle down.  Numbers are nice, but after 60 min of fball it's all about the "W".  Not saying who's better.  No need to be so defensive.
 
Dropped balls? Pleae don't go there.
 
Numbers are similar that's all.  Of course their records are NOT.
 
"Coach bmor", base on your argument-------on your "team" that you supposedly coach, you play the kid that has the "numbers" and not the kid that wins.  We both know that this comes up quite often in HS football.
 
Interesting.  When I played our coaching staff always stressed the "team" aspect and downplayed indiv stats.  It won us  many games in a conf that has sent a number of players to the NFL over the yrs.  Goodluck w/that strategy, hope it works out for you.
 
Yeah you are right about McNabb only scoring 10 pts in that Giant loss.  Even factoring that "pathetic" performance in, he still has his team out avg. Romo by almost a TD. 
 
 
 
 
 
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Posted: 7/18/2008 4:20:37 PM
"Coach bmor", base on your argument-------on your "team" that you supposedly coach, you play the kid that has the "numbers" and not the kid that wins.  We both know that this comes up quite often in HS football.
 
Hmmmm, who has the better record over the last 2 seasons???
 
And what was that Cowboys/Eagles score in Philly last season?
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Posted: 7/18/2008 4:23:09 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by ltbdubz5:

Settle down.  Numbers are nice, but after 60 min of fball it's all about the "W".  Not saying who's better.  No need to be so defensive.
 
Dropped balls? Pleae don't go there.
 
Numbers are similar that's all.  Of course their records are NOT.
 
"Coach bmor", base on your argument-------on your "team" that you supposedly coach, you play the kid that has the "numbers" and not the kid that wins.  We both know that this comes up quite often in HS football.
 
Interesting.  When I played our coaching staff always stressed the "team" aspect and downplayed indiv stats.  It won us  many games in a conf that has sent a number of players to the NFL over the yrs.  Goodluck w/that strategy, hope it works out for you.
 
Yeah you are right about McNabb only scoring 10 pts in that Giant loss.  Even factoring that "pathetic" performance in, he still has his team out avg. Romo by almost a TD. 
 
 
 
 
 


 

i play the kid with the better record AND the better skills which is Tony Romo.

Romo's record as a starter 19-8 70%

McNabb's record as a starter 80-44 65%

these include the playoffs as well. like i said if Romo's defense held the opponent to 3 points like the eagles did in McNabb's first playoff win they would have the same exact record after 2 playoff starts (1-1)

finally i will leave you a quote from the famous bill parcells "stats are the biggest indication of future success"

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Posted: 7/18/2008 4:36:18 PM
if romo puts that snap down i think this is at least 25-9 ROMO.
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Posted: 7/18/2008 4:39:34 PM
i will give mcnabb credit though, that play a few years ago, i believe vs. the cowboys  where he got away from like 7 people and launched it 50 60 yds down the field for the completion. nice play donovan.
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Posted: 7/18/2008 5:01:37 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by samuelsosa:

if romo puts that snap down i think this is at least 25-9 ROMO.

Excellent point......I guess that's what happens when one single play gets screwed up (that very easily could've happened to anybody) and you're the starting QB for the most hated, most watched, most criticized football team in America.

Pretty stupid and ignorant to judge a  QB on one fumbled snap on a FG attempt if you ask me.....

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Posted: 7/18/2008 5:22:27 PM
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Posted: 7/18/2008 5:28:51 PM
Some excerpts from the game report of last season's Dallas @ Philadelphia game on November 4th which was shown on NBC's nationally televised Sunday Night Football...
 
COWBOYS 38
eagles 17
 
Tony Romo threw three TD passes, Marion Barber had 106 total yards and one score and NFC East-leading Dallas improved to 7-1 for the first time since 1995, their last Super Bowl winning season.

This has always been our toughest road challenge because the fans are so passionate here,” Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said. “To have a game like this was surprising.”

McNabb fumbled on the first play from scrimmage, and the Cowboys converted it into their first score, a 2-yard run by Julius Jones.

There were no mock funerals in the parking lot or derisive chants in the stands. Even the boos lacked venom.

Once the Cowboys went up by 14 late in the second quarter, Owens tried hard to incite the rowdies. He strutted along the sideline, flapping his arms and yelling at the crowd behind the bench.

But the disappointed Philly faithful were too angry at their own team to worry about Owens’ antics. So, they directed their boos at the Eagles as they ran off the field.

After Jason Witten caught a 20-yard TD pass to make it 35-10 in the third quarter, the stadium emptied. No one wanted to stay around and watch Owens celebrate anymore.

Romo, who last week signed a six-year, $67.5-million contract extension, finished 20-for-25 for 324 yards and had one interception. He became the first quarterback the Eagles didn’t sack this season.
 

McNabb had a difficult game against a tenacious defense. He was harassed often and hammered into the ground a few times. The five-time Pro Bowl QB was 27-for-46 for 264 yards, one TD, two interceptions and he was sacked three times. (and one LOST fumble)

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Posted: 7/18/2008 5:35:45 PM
Romo....he's a more accurate passer and just as mobile.
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Posted: 7/18/2008 5:48:15 PM
Tony Romo aka Phony person is who I'd pick...
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Posted: 7/18/2008 7:13:33 PM
Laker-------Nice work on the excerpts from the FIRST Eagle/Cboys game.   Admittedly Dallas did stomp them.  The team was out of sync all night.  Mainly due to Dallas.You show a ton of passion.  Imagine what you'll do when Tony wins his first playoff game?
 
Did you find any from the game in Dallas, when the Eagles def had Romo befuddled?
 
Final Score:  Eagles 10   Dallas 6
 
Romo's line in game 2.
 
13-36   214 yds    3 INTs     NO TDs   
 
He did lead his offense to 6 pts.  Coach Bmore-----now that's pathetic!
 
 
BTW----the fat, old, washed up choker ran for 53 yds on 9 rushes.  A nice sign that he was getting back to form.
 
 
This is good stuff.
 
Antonio Ramiro Romo=still waiting for a playoff win.
 
 
I can't wait for these games this yr.
 
 
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