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Posted: 1/23/2013 9:53:18 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by CC12:

anyone else thinks this ?

or do u think the line will go up ?




There is no way it lands on 3...believe me..they don't want this landing on a possible tie. 
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Posted: 1/23/2013 10:27:43 PM
Baltimore had been banged up all year and still cobbled together good year. Both teams are excellent, but had Denver not beaten the Ravens in Baltimore, they would have been the second seed and your perception, and the line would reflect, a closer spread at +1.5. It's a 2 seed against a 4 seed and that is where the line is coming from. It doesn't really matter what the line is, it matter what happens in New Orleans.

I have to go with experience In this game. The Ravens are almost the Eagles of the 2000's if they can win the big game. Joe Flacco has played in a few championship games, and has won something like 6 road playoff games, the most of any QB. Now Kaep is an amazing talent, but I'm backing experience over youth here.

Also, Ray Lewis. Say what you will about his personal demons, but the man could motivate satan to help Jesus. Do not discount his leadership. And the fact he came back from a torn tricep and will retire knowing full well his team would respond by announcing it.

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Posted: 1/24/2013 4:30:02 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Cooler999:



There is no way it lands on 3...believe me..they don't want this landing on a possible tie. 
i think the line will hit 3 at once before game time.. How fast the sharps gobble it up at -3 remains to be seen..
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Posted: 1/24/2013 4:40:51 PM
NFC has covered last 5 SB's, only streak longer is NFC covered from 89-94(6).   I also don't think the 49er franchise goes 6-0 su in Super Bowls, time for them to lose their first.....Ravens su
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Posted: 1/24/2013 4:45:24 PM
It really amazes me how lopsided things are and everyone is on the Ravens, sheeesh. Sf was comsidered the most complete team in the nfl and now are getting no respect because everyone is in love with balt. Hey, i could be wrong but i honestly think the niners pull away in the 3rd in this one. I also dont buy into the whole balt has better leadership and is more battle tested. The niners have gotten beaten down this yr as well and bounced back. Hell, it just happened last week
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Posted: 1/24/2013 4:53:26 PM
Getting down by 17 or 20 in the Super Bowl will seal their fate. Joe Cool will be on his game and Lewis will have the troops motivated to send him out a winner.
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Posted: 1/24/2013 4:57:35 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by CC12:

i think the line will hit 3 at once before game time.. How fast the sharps gobble it up at -3 remains to be seen..
id be worried about taking niners spread if line ever hits 3. I really dont think it goes there once
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Posted: 1/24/2013 5:05:57 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by GSW0716:

It really amazes me how lopsided things are and everyone is on the Ravens, sheeesh. Sf was comsidered the most complete team in the nfl and now are getting no respect because everyone is in love with balt. Hey, i could be wrong but i honestly think the niners pull away in the 3rd in this one. I also dont buy into the whole balt has better leadership and is more battle tested. The niners have gotten beaten down this yr as well and bounced back. Hell, it just happened last week
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Posted: 1/25/2013 11:03:55 AM
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The question i keep coming back to is: can this Ravens offense establish an effective run game against the Niners front 7 ?

Surprised you think they need a run game...... Deep routes picked apart the Niners first half of falcons game and their offense's have similar philosophies. Not to mention that San Fran will come to control the clock and probably will, I think Balty knows their defense can hang for 80+ plays if needed and just wants points however they can get it........

Also there will be no pass rush with 4 against Baltimore. J Smith's injury has meant no sacks in the playoffs from their dynamic duo and Balty's O line is playing lights out. Thus no need to run to relive pass pressure..... Not to mention, I think San Fran would beg you to run against 7, that is what their defense is predicated on..... Look at teams that attack deep down the field with multiple threats, Giants, Falcons, Seahawks late in the year.....

Also Niners Vaunted D eh???? 

Last 5 games-  Pts against:

Falcons: 24 in first half

Greenbay: 31pts, 21 in first half

Arizona: only 13 pts, but two early fumbles near niners end should have been 14-0 Arizona, their poor defense played without a competitive offense that day

Seahawks: 42 pts, 28 came in first half......

Pats: 31-3 Niners lead in 3rd qt against a VERY Sloopy Pats team that day. Gave up 28 straight points in last 1/3 or of game......


Niners D has not been the same since they gave up this lead....Hard to say if teams just found out how to exploit it or what, maybe just better/more motivated competition. but this certainly does not look like the defense ranked 2nd in points allowed......

Just some thoughts fellas, but save 1 Matty Ice brain fart and a Roddy White slip on that pick,  I don't think we are talking about the niners today.... Just my 2 cents, what the FFFFFF DO I KNOW THO
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Posted: 1/25/2013 11:45:20 AM
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Surprised you think they need a run game...... Deep routes picked apart the Niners first half of falcons game and their offense's have similar philosophies. Not to mention that San Fran will come to control the clock and probably will, I think Balty knows their defense can hang for 80+ plays if needed and just wants points however they can get it........

Also there will be no pass rush with 4 against Baltimore. J Smith's injury has meant no sacks in the playoffs from their dynamic duo and Balty's O line is playing lights out. Thus no need to run to relive pass pressure..... Not to mention, I think San Fran would beg you to run against 7, that is what their defense is predicated on..... Look at teams that attack deep down the field with multiple threats, Giants, Falcons, Seahawks late in the year.....

Also Niners Vaunted D eh???? 

Last 5 games-  Pts against:

Falcons: 24 in first half

Greenbay: 31pts, 21 in first half

Arizona: only 13 pts, but two early fumbles near niners end should have been 14-0 Arizona, their poor defense played without a competitive offense that day

Seahawks: 42 pts, 28 came in first half......

Pats: 31-3 Niners lead in 3rd qt against a VERY Sloopy Pats team that day. Gave up 28 straight points in last 1/3 or of game......


Niners D has not been the same since they gave up this lead....Hard to say if teams just found out how to exploit it or what, maybe just better/more motivated competition. but this certainly does not look like the defense ranked 2nd in points allowed......

Just some thoughts fellas, but save 1 Matty Ice brain fart and a Roddy White slip on that pick,  I don't think we are talking about the niners today.... Just my 2 cents, what the FFFFFF DO I KNOW THO


Think I cracked the Code (yea right what does this fool know), Justin Smith's Torn Tricpes.....

Combined Smith Bros Sack through 13 games: 22.5 sack, (3 for Justin)

Combined Smith Bros Sack during and after 5 games since injury during Pats game: 0!!!!!

Niners have had to blitz more to bring the heat and have thus been more vulnerable in the deep and middle of the field.  I see deep passing game of Balty and a hot O line making this ugly early and another game where the Niners have to climb back in....And no the Falcons Defense will not be responsible for holding the lead. 

Balty 31 Niners 28- game not as close as score indicates with garbage late scores
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Posted: 1/25/2013 1:24:00 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by BadGnOmens:


Surprised you think they need a run game...... Deep routes picked apart the Niners first half of falcons game and their offense's have similar philosophies. Not to mention that San Fran will come to control the clock and probably will, I think Balty knows their defense can hang for 80+ plays if needed and just wants points however they can get it........

Also Niners Vaunted D eh???? 

Last 5 games-  Pts against:

Falcons: 24 in first half

Greenbay: 31pts, 21 in first half

Arizona: only 13 pts, but two early fumbles near niners end should have been 14-0 Arizona, their poor defense played without a competitive offense that day

Seahawks: 42 pts, 28 came in first half......

Pats: 31-3 Niners lead in 3rd qt against a VERY Sloopy Pats team that day. Gave up 28 straight points in last 1/3 or of game......

Just some thoughts fellas, but save 1 Matty Ice brain fart and a Roddy White slip on that pick,  I don't think we are talking about the niners today.... Just my 2 cents, what the FFFFFF DO I KNOW THO


thx for ur input.

however, WITHOUT a running game, Balt has no chance, IMO.

all those teams u mentioned that can pass ? they all lost to the Niners.

last five games u mentioned? 4 out of those 5 teams lost to the Niners.

I think what it comes down to is the war in the trenches (doesn't it always? ). I know Balt line can protect Flacco on passes.. but unless the Ravens offensive line can push back the Niners front seven on the run plays, Balt pass game will not be as effective.. and the game will def favor SF.
 
but i believe the Ravens can run against SF off the right Tackle.

Also, lets not talk about what ifs..

SF is a better team than Atl (and they showed it).. and the Niners belong here in SB.. just like the Ravens.

I believe the two best teams are in the SB this year.. and looking forward to a great game !
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Posted: 1/25/2013 1:32:53 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by GSW0716:

It really amazes me how lopsided things are and everyone is on the Ravens, sheeesh. Sf was comsidered the most complete team in the nfl and now are getting no respect because everyone is in love with balt. Hey, i could be wrong but i honestly think the niners pull away in the 3rd in this one. I also dont buy into the whole balt has better leadership and is more battle tested. The niners have gotten beaten down this yr as well and bounced back. Hell, it just happened last week

i ve seen plenty of SF backers on this site.. and plenty of respect given to them (myself included)

hell, there is even a guy who 'gurentees (?) Niners will win or he will jump off the Golden State (where?) bridge..'

anyways, i will pose u two questions..

-Who is the leader for the Niners?

-and do u really think this Niners team has more playoff experience than the current Ravens team ?

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Posted: 1/25/2013 2:07:34 PM
We are looking for weakness not results, if teams are in SB, they beat many good teams..... Also if you think the result is the only thing pertinent about a game, Well good luck.......

I think ur misreading things,,,,,,,, Baltimore will run, but only to mix things up.... This is not the Ravens team of earlier in the year, all this stuff about Rice and his touches,,,,,, Not buying it.... Of course if Rice does well that boads even better for Balt. 

But, at least in these playoffs, this is Joe Flaccos offense. He will be the reason they win or lose. I personally think it is suicidal to make a game plan of running between the tackles, that is what San Fran hopes you do and is the strength of their D.  Balt needs to take advantage of mismatches: their receiving core + pass blocking vs. back-end of niners - Smith Bros Pass Rush= BIG BALTY PLAYS!!! They will try to run with a lead but remember, "throw to score, Run to win!" 



As for what if's...... I mean COMON MAN!!!! u watched that game and while you can make cases for both teams shoulda coulda woulda, The Ravens made their miracle happen with that impossible throw and catch to tie the game, they beat the defense on the crucial play...... 

In ATL:

Matt Ryan dropped a snap and it rolled outside the tackle box right near the D end. These are not the same scenario, one is the eventual winner MAKING a big play, the other is the eventual loser having an UNFORCED turnover...... 

Believe me, I bet San Fran -3 and was cheering wildly, but I'm not blind...... Give them credit that they capitalized on opportunities, but they should not have even had one....... As I said before, if you think the final result is the only thing that matters in sizing up matchups, well good luck.....
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Posted: 1/25/2013 3:19:17 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by BadGnOmens:

As I said before, if you think the final result is the only thing that matters in sizing up matchups, well good luck.....


of course i do not cap a game just based on past win/loss

Since u stated 49ers secondary is their weakness, i was simply pointing out that teams that could not run against SF all lost.. no matter how effective they were passing the ball.

to me, it seems like you are the one capping the games solely based on past results..    you brought up those five teams.. not me.

Just for the record..  i do think the final score is the most important thing.. at the end of a football game.

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Posted: 1/25/2013 4:42:16 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by CC12:



of course i do not cap a game just based on past win/loss
1. Since u stated 49ers secondary is their weakness, i was simply pointing out that teams that could not run against SF all lost.. no matter how effective they were passing the ball.

2. to me, it seems like you are the one capping the games solely based on past results..    you brought up those five teams.. not me.

3. Just for the record..  i do think the final score is the most important thing.. at the end of a football game.

BOL




Not sure why I am bothering.... Your only point was they NEED a running game, still interested in how you see them getting this. Wait wasn't it "pound off the right tackle?" 

1. 49er's are an excellent team that will win most games they play, the fact that they won all those games doesn't tell you how they played in them or for stretches......... If you think that the run game of the ravens is the deciding factor, that is totally your right...... Was just trying to show you how dumb you are. I apologize for the brightness.

2. What else do you have to "cap" on? You know the future???? I look at how players have played based on their history, the more recent it is better, and move on from that point looking with an eye towards individual or unit match ups...... What is your approach???? Toa Card and hunting around covers for 2 weeks?
Again very interested in how you do anything without solely looking at past results??? Are you capping their in-between week press conferences??

3. Bol Luck then man because FINAL scores/results (my words) don't tell the whole story.......... u never watched a game and said "man the score did not reflect the ebbs and flows, or was a much better game than the final score indicated?" If you answered no to both of those than I have already wasted to much of my time on you..... 




Well that really isn't debatable either..... its YOU were talking about 
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Posted: 1/25/2013 5:17:28 PM
i can only explain to u so much.. but i can see this is over ur head.

good luck anyways.
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Posted: 1/25/2013 11:14:27 PM
Let's make it official. 

I am on the Ravens +3.5 

I will putting additional $ to the +4 i bought earlier in the week.. plus little on the ML since this is the last game of the season. 

I have been searching for one good reason to think that SF will dominate this game, and I haven't seen or heard one.

I believe the line will be 3 with extra vig for the the Ravens by the game time.
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Posted: 1/25/2013 11:31:42 PM
Books won't let it land on 3, don't want a tie. It sure seems there is plenty of Niner love going around. It funny how if you pick one team, you must hate and not respect the other. If one thinks that betting a Super Bowl game, they should probably stop there. I honestly thought the Ravens were going to the Super Bowl and possibly win after that catch. Not the end score, but directly after that play. SF will put up a hell of a fight and it will be a great game and you know what, the Ravens could lose because they still play the and on the field, but good luck, I'm on em too. And I've only bet two trips to Vegas this fall and the other one last week against the Pats. Good luck.
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Posted: 1/29/2013 1:07:35 PM
Unless if u live in Baltimore or SF who reallyh gives a Fck who wins this game!!!! all i ever care about is who covers the ATS and O/U !!! i am all bout making my coins so stop all of this BS talk and give all of us that like to hear the real facts so we can make alot better descions where OUR MONEY GOES!
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Posted: 1/29/2013 2:35:02 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by yzzguy:

Unless if u live in Baltimore or SF who reallyh gives a Fck who wins this game!!!! all i ever care about is who covers the ATS and O/U !!! i am all bout making my coins so stop all of this BS talk and give all of us that like to hear the real facts so we can make alot better descions where OUR MONEY GOES!


see post #1 buddy.

take the dog if u think they can win outright.. otherwise, take the fav.
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Posted: 1/29/2013 5:09:21 PM

Monday Headlines...RAY-VENS WIN!! 20-13..Lewis has 10 tackles,1int. earns superbowl mvp!! There i just told you how games gonna go,why even play now???

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Posted: 1/29/2013 7:10:56 PM
Good to know BigEastExpert is on Balt +4 also !



looks like the line will not be hitting +3.. (although 5D has it at Balt +3 @ +105... most likely due to lotta teasers coming in on Balt.)

It will prob go up to +4 by game time with the general public betting on the favs this week.


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Posted: 1/29/2013 9:20:15 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by CC12:

Good to know BigEastExpert is on Balt +4 also !



looks like the line will not be hitting +3.. (although 5D has it at Balt +3 @ +105... most likely due to lotta teasers coming in on Balt.)

It will prob go up to +4 by game time with the general public betting on the favs this week.


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