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Posted: 10/10/2012 1:59:32 PM
I guess you couldnt read the part where I said it's not even close to the same thing.

But keep acting like it is, I'm sure it makes you feel awesome
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Posted: 10/10/2012 2:05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by CalifDreamin:

I guess you couldnt read the part where I said it's not even close to the same thing.

But keep acting like it is, I'm sure it makes you feel awesome

Gotcha, you got no explanation.  

Wonder why a smart person like you make dumb statements that contradict themselves. 

End of conversation.  Me- +1    You the Idiot- -1  

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Posted: 10/10/2012 2:06:18 PM
To think that everyone in the entire nfl are all cooperating to get desired outcomes and noone says anything is just outrageous. Its insane to think that the nfl or vegas could possibly orchestrate that kind of cooperation from hundreds of people at once and players playing in an extremely fast game. The conspiracy theorists can remember examples where something unexpected happened that caused an ats result to go one way or the other, but what about the vast majority of times when that doesn't happen? And the examples of "fixing " involving players having great games after suffering tragedy are laughable. You are telling me that the nfl made favre have a fantastic game bc his dad died? How? They convinced the entire defense to play soft bc they wanted the story? The opposing coach said hey guys goodell says today is for favre so lay off him? That is ludicrous. Point shaving is done by the occasional college team and yes professional refs to the extent they can get away with it. It is not orchestrated by entire leagues and teams to generate favorable results and story lines. Espn writes the story lines bc thats the business they are in. It helps the nfl as a by-product, not as an orchestrated conspiracy to make money gambling. Mafiosa cited tebow beating rothlisburger last year as a ludicrous example of fixing for storylines. Here's one for you: peyton mannings new broncos rise up and make the playoffs and face off against a new colt team led by andrew luck who make the playoffs after a tremendous run inspired by chuck paganos fight against cancer. If we see that maybe ill believe. What better story could there be? Or maybe the nfl engineered the cyborg harbaughs in a lab to be great nfl coaches and they will make it to the super bowl and not shake hands and cause a blood feud and their children will both become great qbs and then coaches and they will play for super bowls and then both beat cancer together. Yep.
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Posted: 10/10/2012 2:10:16 PM
Lol this is why its pointless to converse with you idiots. Guy makes a horrible comparison, i call it just that, and now hes saying he one-upped me cuz i dont wanna elaborate on his ridiculous comparison. Lol the idiots on this website
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Posted: 10/10/2012 2:11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Yanasaur:

To think that everyone in the entire nfl are all cooperating to get desired outcomes and noone says anything is just outrageous. Its insane to think that the nfl or vegas could possibly orchestrate that kind of cooperation from hundreds of people at once and players playing in an extremely fast game. The conspiracy theorists can remember examples where something unexpected happened that caused an ats result to go one way or the other, but what about the vast majority of times when that doesn't happen? And the examples of "fixing " involving players having great games after suffering tragedy are laughable. You are telling me that the nfl made favre have a fantastic game bc his dad died? How? They convinced the entire defense to play soft bc they wanted the story? The opposing coach said hey guys goodell says today is for favre so lay off him? That is ludicrous. Point shaving is done by the occasional college team and yes professional refs to the extent they can get away with it. It is not orchestrated by entire leagues and teams to generate favorable results and story lines. Espn writes the story lines bc thats the business they are in. It helps the nfl as a by-product, not as an orchestrated conspiracy to make money gambling. Mafiosa cited tebow beating rothlisburger last year as a ludicrous example of fixing for storylines. Here's one for you: peyton mannings new broncos rise up and make the playoffs and face off against a new colt team led by andrew luck who make the playoffs after a tremendous run inspired by chuck paganos fight against cancer. If we see that maybe ill believe. What better story could there be? Or maybe the nfl engineered the cyborg harbaughs in a lab to be great nfl coaches and they will make it to the super bowl and not shake hands and cause a blood feud and their children will both become great qbs and then coaches and they will play for super bowls and then both beat cancer together. Yep.

You are telling me it requires everyone single person's participation in order for something to work and be executed?

 

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Posted: 10/10/2012 2:19:36 PM
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Originally Posted by TheSituation559:

Ohh shut the darn up. Games aren't fixed. It's sports garbage happens. Move on

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Posted: 10/10/2012 2:20:45 PM

[Quote: Originally Posted by CalifDreamin] Lol this is why its pointless to converse with you idiots. Guy makes a horrible comparison, i call it just that, and now hes saying he one-upped me cuz i dont wanna elaborate on his ridiculous comparison. Lol the idiots on this website [/Quote

Sure genius.

Me +2    You, the idiot -2

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Posted: 10/10/2012 2:25:47 PM
I'll be back in an hour.  Waiting for your answers Einstein.  Until then.  Me  You
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Posted: 10/10/2012 2:27:57 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Hockeyjock:

I would like to know who in here believes that the NFL is fixed or at least some games are fixed?  If so, who fixes them and how do they do it?  I would love to hear all of the theories that people have.  


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Posted: 10/10/2012 2:40:45 PM
Tjohnson, nfl is a team sport so yes something as incredible as favre or another player having a great day would require tons of cooperation. Fixing to the level people are suggesting would require much more than a couple calls going a certain way. So yes it woupd require tremendous cooperation from what would normally be competing interests.
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Posted: 10/10/2012 3:24:06 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Yanasaur:

Tjohnson, nfl is a team sport so yes something as incredible as favre or another player having a great day would require tons of cooperation. Fixing to the level people are suggesting would require much more than a couple calls going a certain way. So yes it woupd require tremendous cooperation from what would normally be competing interests.
A referee throwing a flag for holding to cancel out a winning touchdown play or any touchdown is easily the difference in any close game. Exactly how many people besides that one person does it take to make that happen?? The answer is zero. What "tons" of cooperation does he need?? Any knowledgeable football person will tell you that you can pretty much call holding on every single play in football if you really wanted to. It's just a matter of the degree of holding. The touchdown would be brought back and the team pushed back, probably killing their drive, thus creating a huge swing in the game. If it was a weak call then that is all it would be viewed as is a weak call. The commentators would disagree and a few people would girl and it's forgotten in a few more plays.

Just making the point that "if" it did happen, then it is really that simple and easy, and does not take "tons" of cooperation. In fact it would take extremely limited cooperation.


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Posted: 10/10/2012 3:33:15 PM
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The NFL nor it's referees ever explained why this td did not count at the end of the game. It was a 10 yard lateral so it was super clear that it was a live ball and that fact was backed up the referees not blowing the whistle and allowing the td. The td did not change the outcome of the game but did cover the spread for steelers backers as the steelers were 4 point faves.

After the td the refs got together and for a mysterious reason no one knows, and one that was never given despite the public demanding one, the td was erased and never counted towards the final score as the refs hurried off the field. The public in the game was heavily on the side of the Steelers who because of this unexplained, nonsensical event failed to cover the betting spread.

It was a td 100%. There is zero argument to say it was not and therefore one was never even offered by the league or its officials. So I ask the people that say anyone who thinks games are tampered with are crazy, to please explain these events. I'm sorry but there is only one sensible conclusion here in my opinion. If there was another sensible one, then surely the league would have offered it. All they ever said was oops! I do not want to hear they blew the call, they know the rules, it was as very basic play and everyone including them knew it was a clear td.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVtlJgt_8FY

  The spread covering touchdown that magically never happened, after it actually did happen. 
I would love to hear a theory as to why this touchdown did not count. The NFL nor it's referees ever gave one despite people demanding one. The cancellation of this game ending touchdown for no reason whatsoever swung millions and millions in a certain direction. It was the most heavily bet game that weekend and the money was very lopsided on the Steelers for them to cover which the touchdown would have done. The NFL refused to allow the touchdown for a reason never given. The public lost millions of piles of money on this mysterious call.

Can anyone explain away what the league refused to?? Would just like to hear a sensible argument other than someone calling everyone idiots for thinking differently than themselves.

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Posted: 10/10/2012 3:47:19 PM

I love the NFL, but the best way I can explain it is that it is like Day of our Lives or As the world turns, it is a soap opera.

The best advice I can give is to listen to who the media is hyping up or down in a given week and go the opposite way.

It is fixed, but not in the normal sense that you associate the word with. It is like a hollywood script each week that teams play out.

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Posted: 10/10/2012 3:58:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Yanasaur:

Tjohnson, nfl is a team sport so yes something as incredible as favre or another player having a great day would require tons of cooperation. Fixing to the level people are suggesting would require much more than a couple calls going a certain way. So yes it woupd require tremendous cooperation from what would normally be competing interests.

I think one person can change the outcome of the game.  Especially if that one person is in a position that can easily affect the game like a ref, coach, qb, wr, rb, te.   For example, Kobe can basically affect every game.  He can demand the ball every play and will recieve it.

   Without making a long post, it's possible.  Has it been done?  Yes it has.  Is it still happening?  Who knows but it's more in the realm of possibility than not.

 

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Posted: 10/10/2012 4:29:14 PM
Tjohns you are absolutely correct that a ref calling holding and other rule calls certainly can affect the game with little cooperation from anyone. I was not addressing that, but addressing how people think the nfl is designing who plays well and story lines and so on. Lets say that referees are determining the outcome of games then. The next question is, what are they motivated by? Are they making decisions based on what the nfl wants, or are they making decisions based on monetary compensation from vegas? Could they achieve both goals? In order to achieve both they would want publicly popular teams to win each week but not cover. We can use facts to determine if refs are systematically using calls to push results one way or another. Just look up penalties against favorites vs dogs and penalty yardage against favs vs dogs.and of there is a disparity then there is systematic fixing. If it is close to even then how could you say it's fixed? Could there be individual games where penalties were called that made a huge impact due to fixing by refs? Yes that is possible. But we are talking about systematic fixing here and something like that would have shown up statistically over such a large sample size. Yet there has never been such evidence. Las Vegas has geniuses with access to more information than any of us and more sports knowledge than any of us, plus the vig they charge you to play, so why would they need to fix games? Widespread fixing would be bad for Vegas. If it were ever discovered they would lose all their.business. Why cheat and risk it all when you already have the edge? Any fixing that is done is by a select few wand influence on the game looking to make money for themselves.
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Posted: 10/10/2012 4:49:22 PM
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Tjohns you are absolutely correct that a ref calling holding and other rule calls certainly can affect the game with little cooperation from anyone. I was not addressing that, but addressing how people think the nfl is designing who plays well and story lines and so on. Lets say that referees are determining the outcome of games then. The next question is, what are they motivated by? Are they making decisions based on what the nfl wants, or are they making decisions based on monetary compensation from vegas? Could they achieve both goals? In order to achieve both they would want publicly popular teams to win each week but not cover. We can use facts to determine if refs are systematically using calls to push results one way or another. Just look up penalties against favorites vs dogs and penalty yardage against favs vs dogs.and of there is a disparity then there is systematic fixing. If it is close to even then how could you say it's fixed? Could there be individual games where penalties were called that made a huge impact due to fixing by refs? Yes that is possible. But we are talking about systematic fixing here and something like that would have shown up statistically over such a large sample size. Yet there has never been such evidence. Las Vegas has geniuses with access to more information than any of us and more sports knowledge than any of us, plus the vig they charge you to play, so why would they need to fix games? Widespread fixing would be bad for Vegas. If it were ever discovered they would lose all their.business. Why cheat and risk it all when you already have the edge? Any fixing that is done is by a select few wand influence on the game looking to make money for themselves.

I have no clue.  There could be an argument made for both sides and that is why this thread exists. 

    But, people have been caught and found guilty so to say it's not possible or hasn't happened is ignorant.   

 

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Posted: 10/10/2012 5:03:43 PM
I am sure that it has happened and will happen again by a select few looking to make some money. The holding and pass interference calls are way too powerful. I would like to see the nfl go to the college PI rules. And holding i suppose it would ne difficult to do anything about.
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Posted: 10/10/2012 6:09:17 PM

Some people rather believe in Aliens and God with no solid proof rather than believe a game or more was rigged even though there is solid evidence.

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Posted: 10/10/2012 6:11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by CalifDreamin:

Lol this is why its pointless to converse with you idiots. Guy makes a horrible comparison, i call it just that, and now hes saying he one-upped me cuz i dont wanna elaborate on his ridiculous comparison. Lol the idiots on this website

You throwing one liners have no facts.  Make dumb assumptions without reasoning.  Why?  Cuz you dumb. 

Me- +3   You, the idiot- -3   

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Posted: 10/10/2012 8:34:38 PM
Is the WWF allowed to fix the matches? Yes. Do they? Yes. In fact it's common knowledge. Just like the NFL, all that is required of the WWF to for their paying fans is to provide them a wrestling match. Same with the NFL. All the NFL is required to for their paying fans is provide a football game. Does that mean all the matches are fixed? No. Can there be a pre-determined outcome? Of course. There is no law forbidding the NFL from pre-determining the outcome of their games.
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Posted: 10/10/2012 8:42:07 PM
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Is the WWF allowed to fix the matches? Yes. Do they? Yes. In fact it's common knowledge. Just like the NFL, all that is required of the WWF to for their paying fans is to provide them a wrestling match. Same with the NFL. All the NFL is required to for their paying fans is provide a football game. Does that mean all the matches are fixed? No. Can there be a pre-determined outcome? Of course. There is no law forbidding the NFL from pre-determining the outcome of their games.

Some, including adults, believe the WWE is real. 

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Posted: 10/10/2012 11:22:22 PM
If Denver beat NE, conspirary theorists would say, "of course the NFL wanted Peyton's Comeback Tour to crush Spygate Bilechick & pretty boy Brady! They fixed it so the inferior team would win, providing an feel-good, underdog story & crushing the betting public!" But that didn't happen, so they'll be quiet until the next time a public darling or major TV market wins (because that would NEVER, EVER, EVER happen if not for the fixers!) Why aren't the Angels in the playoffs? The marketing possibilities for Trout are HUGE!! L.A. means alot more $$$ than the O-dot-Co A's!! It'd be good for Selig to have the Miggy/Trout MVP debate taking center stage, no? The "fixers" must've dropped the ball again! We all know it happens- but when you start seeing it EVERYWHERE, it's time for therapy.
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OK DOUBTERS....This is 40 years of experience talking here....QUESTION NUMBER ONE TO YOU.....If you owned a multibillion dollar "business"(the nfl is a business first, THEN a sport!), would you want control of it?.....NUMBER TWO....Remember Tom Doheney, the referee of NBA fame and shame?.....He was unlucky, he got caught.....He was supposed to name people, places etc....All of a sudden none of the big boys are exposed.....The first Superbowl of the AFC-NFC was an admitted "fix" even said so by several of the participants....To put the AFC on par.....Within the last 10 -15 years or so, the Boston College football team, several members of the Northwestern football team, and the men's Toledo basketball team were indicted....I know, this is done on the college level, but it's more rampant on the pro level.....The Steeler fiasco, mentioned above, WAS A PERFECT EXAMPLE!....iF YOU BELIEVE THAT THE NFL IS UPPETY UP, YOU BELIEVE IN THE EASTER BUNNY.....As a famous Steeler linebacker, now retired, told me----"We only do what we're told to do!"....Ever notice how many over-unders are right on the number?.....Coincidence?.....NOPE!....Ditto for the point spreads, like Monday night....Right on 9.....Lastly guys, where there's money, and tons of it, it's crooked!....darn, LOCAL BINGOS ARE FIXES.....after Division 2 in football, it merely a guess with hoping you're on the right side...VEGAS IS MUCH TOO SMART!....DO THEY EVER LOSE OVER THE LONG RUN?....Wake up non-believers!...If you don't believe, eventually you  will!!!!
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one correction fellows.....the over-under on the Mon. nite game was right on, not the pointspread!!
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Posted: 10/11/2012 2:57:35 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by CalifDreamin:

How dumb are these idiots in this thread talking about how they know the games and leagues are all fixed yet. . . . . . . . They still watch and, even more stupid, STILL BET ON IT!!!!

You cant make up how dumb these guys are

Firstly, How dumb are you to believe its not fixed, See idiot two can play that game with the name calling none sense.

Secondly moron, You either suffer from a mental disorder or you have what we call selective reading skills, How many posts here from those of us who feel the game is fixed have said Over and over and over again that We are trying to identify which games are fishy/possible fixes so we can be on the right side.

Why do you continue to make a fool out of yourself?

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