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Posted: 8/28/2012 4:30:51 PM
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Posted: 8/28/2012 6:50:31 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by don juan:

A stiff ? Are you serious ?  5 Superbowls ? and 2 losses on a fluke catch from Eli within the final minutes.. Was that his fault ? He did his job. 

I would guarantee you that 26 teams would trade for him in a NY minute..Look at all the teams that tried to get Peyton.

Let me ask you.. If you were the captain in scrimmage game on a field near your house.  And you were able to choose player and any Quarterback, out of today's starters in the NFL And, you were first to choose. Who would you take ?

I guess you'd take Eli because you're probably from NY.  But everyone else would take Brady.



 First Brady played horrible in that first half of that super bowl 

No i'm not from NY , and no i wouldn't take ELI

Aaron Rogers and Peyton Manning (pre neck surgery)  hands down most talent. 

I like QB's that can throw the ball 30-50 yd's down field with velocity and  accuracy .

I don't like QB's that make a living off throwing bubble screens and 10 to 15 yd passes to tight ends and  can't complete a pass over 20yd's,  it just doesn't excite me .

These two QB's if you put either of them on the patriots the last decade being in their STINKFEST of a division they would have won a minimum of 7-10 super bowls

Brady has more to do with the fact they haven't won 7-10 than the fact that they have won 3 , it was the defense that won those 3


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Posted: 8/28/2012 7:18:52 PM

if's n but's were candy n nuts...love em or hate em, the Patriots with Brady at the helm have been and still are a quality football team.

Brady is a top 5 qb in the NFL, (has been for years) whether you like him or not. this is a fact man.

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Posted: 8/28/2012 7:31:53 PM
Great posts Rich.
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Posted: 8/28/2012 7:35:10 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by metalbill:

if's n but's were candy n nuts...love em or hate em, the Patriots with Brady at the helm have been and still are a quality football team.

Brady is a top 5 qb in the NFL, (has been for years) whether you like him or not. this is a fact man.



what your not getting is the Patriots are a superior team the  better coached team in  a horrible division of  stinky league over all and his stats are so inflated against all the stink .

 and now Brady at 35  Top 5?  please  i have to keep repeating this but the year he was out Matt Cassel who is a below average NFL  QB and  hadn't played since high school and went 11-5

 come on  its One big STINKFEST  you could replace Brady with 40 QB.s and they would still win 11 -16 games a season  


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Posted: 8/28/2012 8:09:25 PM

the guy is smart, works with what he's got, goes deep when he has deep threats, Branch, Moss. Now he has 2 wicked T.E. and Welker so he dinks and dunks ya all the way down the field. whatever works for ya. bottom line is he wins a hell of alot more than he loses.

ya his division is garbage, he don't pick his opponents. and ya he has one of the best coaches in the business. he got luck that way i suppose.

"you could replace Brady with 40 Q.B. and still win 12-16 games a season" hmm o.k. i can't agree with you on that one man. guy has won some pretty big/tough games in his career.

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Posted: 8/28/2012 8:45:21 PM
i'm just throwing out a crazy number it could be 30 ,  ' Qb's young and old  with more talent than Matt Cassel,  it just wouldn't  be that hard  and Matt Cassel won 11 games , have to keep making the point, that  he  had  last played in high school  , 

 and I  think the patriots have a bigger gap in talent  from the rest of the teams in the league right now than the year Matt Cassel  played . 


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Posted: 8/28/2012 9:06:11 PM
face it--ALL of today's qb's are so overrated it's embarrassing, what with all the defensive restrictions.  the numbers marino, moon, and fouts would put up nowadays would absolutely demolish the record books.
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Posted: 8/28/2012 9:08:05 PM
dont bash the UOFM alum..  he rocks.....
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Posted: 8/28/2012 9:15:34 PM
no question redbook  but you can't take anything away from Rogers or Peyton Manning both gr8 talents.
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Posted: 8/28/2012 11:45:08 PM

Ever since that tuck rule game in 2001, where Brady fumbled  but got the advantage i've never been a fan of him, he's over inflated and im not even a Raiders fan. I'd take Sanchez any day..

 

Or maybe even Tebow

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Posted: 8/29/2012 7:13:19 AM
  Colt McCoy   here is a QB that you could pick up from the scrap heap for nothing,  start him for the New England Patriots and he would Excel 

before all the rolling laughing faces come out

 Would i start a team with Colt McCoy  NO, can Colt elevate a bad team to be good  no , no more than Brady could 

if you put Brady on cleveland the last 5 years he probably isn't in football now.

McCoy got the garbage beat out him the last few years , this type of beating , hits  mentally and physically and diminishes talent .and can break a career .

i think he's a tough kid and a competitor  with something to prove 

this Patriot system is the same thing Colt  ran in Texas shotgun up tempo ball control passes  it all the same,  he can make any throw that Brady can   he's a better athlete than Brady also  10year younger.

the pats could get him for nothing  he's better than both  Hoyer and Mallett 

Once again let me point  out the Patriots won 11 games with a QB that hadn't played since high school .never played a single game in college.

Now i talking about a guy who was one of the best college QB's runner up for heisman Trophy  threw 112 TD's in his college career and made it to a National Championship game.

I know it will never ever happen,  cause no one thinks out of the box in the NFL 


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Posted: 8/29/2012 8:03:53 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by MYSTICRICH:

i'm just throwing out a crazy number it could be 30 ,  ' Qb's young and old  with more talent than Matt Cassel,  it just wouldn't  be that hard  and Matt Cassel won 11 games , have to keep making the point, that  he  had  last played in high school  , 

 and I  think the patriots have a bigger gap in talent  from the rest of the teams in the league right now than the year Matt Cassel  played . 




Cassels succeeded cuz of Moss, Welker and all the pieces were in place..using one year where Brady got injured is dumb! Just cus Cassels did well doesnot mean any "top 40" cando what Brady does.

Funny how the Pats started winning when a guy nme Brady showed up.
Brady never had a great back to work with and with the exception of Moss he never had a deep threat. They game plan around what he has at his disposal...so if it's dinks and dunks then thats what it'll be. If it's so obvious thats all he does then why can't teams stop him??? huh...if it's soooo easy then why don't other team copy what the Pats do? because not every team has Tom MOTHERFUCKING BRADY!! thats why!!


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Posted: 8/29/2012 8:18:19 AM
so when cassel is the QB he benefits  from everyone else that around him .

 but when Brady QB  it's only because of him 

makes alot of sense  
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Posted: 8/29/2012 8:44:02 AM
i'm all through talking about this stuff , i've said everything i had to say , it was fun, thanks,   it passed the time for me , kinda bored waiting for the football season to start 

now lets focus on making some money this season 


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Posted: 8/29/2012 8:56:04 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by MYSTICRICH:

so when cassel is the QB he benefits  from everyone else that around him .

 but when Brady QB  it's only because of him 

makes alot of sense  


How's Cassels doing now? Think Moss would have been so great in '07 while still in Oak or any other team? What was Welker doing in Miami huh?

Doesn't matter if he throws bombs or not. If he can manage games, don't throw picks and does what he's suppose to do and win that's all that matters!

I say dink and dunk the whole way up the field like the early 2000's  if other teams can't defend it then too friggin bad. JUST WIN who cares how it's done.
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Posted: 8/29/2012 9:12:03 AM

Brady not a top 5 qb in the NFL now....HAHAHA...name me 5 qb's better....I would give you Brees and Rodgers...that is about it and it can be argued Brady is better.  Brady is probably a top 5 qb that has ever played in the NFL.

He doesn't attempt many passes down field because the offense isn't designed that way.  There are no speed burners on the Pats offense so why throw it down field.  I think it is amazing how Brady completes these passes under 20yds when everyone knows that is where he is going and his accuracy allows the recievers to pick up those YAC's.

Sure his stats were bad on passes over 20yds, but like I said, he did not have the weapons to throw down field.  How was he on passes over 20yds when he set all those single season qb records.

Joe Montana threw many balls under 20yds that Jerry Rice took to the house.  Would you say there were 5 qbs better than him because he didn't throw the ball over 20yds.

Brady will do it again this year and eventually you gotta give the guy credit when year in and year out he is at the top of the league in every statistical category and he is at the top of the league in the most important stat; team record. 

 

 

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Posted: 8/29/2012 12:34:24 PM

Bill Bellichek, Tom Brady, patchwork offense and mostly no name skill players, 3 rings, almost another 2 rings if it wasn't for the Giants balanced team, just win mentality, Brady has a better TD/Int ratio than Peyton in playoffs, crap defense.  

 

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Posted: 8/30/2012 12:45:15 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by tjohnsont:

Bill Bellichek, Tom Brady, patchwork offense and mostly no name skill players, 3 rings, almost another 2 rings if it wasn't for the Giants balanced team, just win mentality, Brady has a better TD/Int ratio than Peyton in playoffs, crap defense.  

 

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WTF are "no name skill players"?? LOL you obviously know jack garbage about football..

2001- Troy Brown (voted into Pats HOF) just another 'patchwork' player huh? Kevin Faulk pretty decent back. OH and a defense ranked 6th.

2003- Troy Brown, Kevin Faulk.. Meh not the best but uh oh wait.. FIRST ranked defense.

2004- Again Troy Brown, Deion Branch, and Corey Dillon in his prime.. just a few more chumps. OH their defense that year? ranked 2nd.

Brady hasn't had the best supporting cast offensively BUT in the 3 years he won the Superbowl his defenses were ranked; 1st, 2nd, and 6th respectively. Who was the mastermind behind that defense? Romeo Crennel. A damn good coordinator. So enough with all that "Brady has to do it all himself for them to win" because it IS NOT TRUE.

The years Brady "led" his team to a championship he had a top defense, I admit in the last few years if the Pats want a chance at a Superbowl Brady has to do it all for them to win it all. But guess what? HE CANT he hasnt done it in 8 years and counting!!! He isnt the greatest of all time not even close so some of you please get your heads out of your fools.

There it is, the Tom Brady "greatness'' myth finally debunked.

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Posted: 8/30/2012 1:34:30 AM
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Posted: 8/30/2012 8:48:50 AM
Mysticrich says, "i would take just about anyone over him in a playoff game 

, he plays on the better team but loses every time"

 with the exception of besting Tebow last year, when has he outplayed any  other teams QB? 

That's a great point, you really know football.
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Posted: 8/30/2012 9:32:46 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by MadDog77:

Mysticrich says, "i would take just about anyone over him in a playoff game 

, he plays on the better team but loses every time"

 with the exception of besting Tebow last year, when has he outplayed any  other teams QB? 

That's a great point, you really know football.

hey i said i was all done with this but you sucked me back  in buddy,

  this statement was either  taken out of context. or I screwed up,  but this is what i wanted to say 

in last 3 years, in the post season there isn't a QB who has played any worst then Brady  in the NFL , .

 the Denver win was the first  playoff game the patriots won in three years  , and the only game where Brady was the better QB on the field that day . and this is a fact .


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Posted: 8/30/2012 9:40:23 AM

Junior- 'I admit in the last few years if the Pats want a chance at a Superbowl Brady has to do it all for them to win it all. But guess what? HE CANT he hasnt done it in 8 years and counting!!!'

I didn't know Brady also played defense.  I always thought it was a team sport.  

Basically everything you say about Brady can also be said about Peyton and Rodgers so I guess they all suck. 

Any team besides Giants and I think the Pats would have gotten another 2 rings regardless of the Pats horrible d, and that's saying alot. 

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Posted: 8/30/2012 10:07:23 AM

The length of his passes seems to have no bearing on his overall passing numbers...he would have broke Marino's record last year if Brees didnt. It's no FYI that the last deep threat they have had over the last 10 years is Randy Moss also - He and Brady broke touchdown marks when he was in town.

I don't believe they're called checkdowns either, rather a progression of reads. They never really send anyone vertical to create a 'checkdown' in the first place. The game against Baltimore in the playoffs last year is what is probably standing out the most in peoples' minds. His career stats are remarkable with 300td's to 115int's and around 40k yards and a 63.8 completion percentage. The Pats have something like 9 10-win seasons in a row.

Also, this is a forum for gambling discussion. I don't see what the hell this has to do with the Pats ATS

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Posted: 8/30/2012 10:35:11 AM
id like to thank  Tom Brady for playing like a stiff the last 3 years in the post season,  and all his supporters , i say keep it up , it's been money .

 i've made my biggest scores in the last three years just knowing that he was going to SUCK

 thanks again 
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