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Posted: 7/29/2012 11:36:12 PM
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You also averaged out each receivers avg catches per season. Obviously CJ's numbers will be down with his time in New England


Yes, that's correct. Patriots had better weapons the CJ. Yes he struggled with the offense but if he was still in his prime Belichick would have figured out plays to get the most out of him. CJ dropped some easy passes which unfortunately limited his future looks/receptions. Thus, having such career low numbers. Yes he can achieve 70+ receptions, but I won't be shocked if he doesn't get above 60.

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The word potential means if they play upto their full ability. All 3 guys minus Nanee could, and I could see him maxing out at around 55. Do I think all 4 guys will catch 75 balls, ofcourse not but any of those 4 guys could.


Thank you for explaining the definition of potential. It's greatly appreciated and needed. Since you took the time to explain that to me, I'll take the time to give you a informative lesson as well. You seem to be contradicting yourself, or at least backing down from your previous post. This in my opinion shows lack of preparation and information. I just happened to notice your kind on contradicting yourself. I was putting the numbers up to show that in my opinion, there is no possible way the 4 WR's you mentioned all have enough potential to catch 75 balls this year. If you said something like, one of these four, or something along those lines I would agree with you. But you didn't. Instead you said "Their receiving core could suprise some people. Johnson, Nanee, Hartline and Bess won't blow you alway on paper, but all have 75 catch potential. " (Minor spelling error's in that, but I won't focus on that).

Perhaps I misread your post. But to me it seemed as if you were trying to put me down, or insult me, for giving you a detailed answer on why I thought it wasn't going to happen, or at least show you the previous numbers in case you were not aware. The deffinition thing at the start was cute, but not needed and immature. Learn to post an educated opinion, and if you can't do that at the very least stick to what you originally said, or learn to defend it better when some one brings up informative, valid points.




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Posted: 7/29/2012 11:51:42 PM
I know reading comprehension is difficult, but try and stick with me.

When I say all four of those guys have 75 catch potential, you think I'm trying to say that I think all guys will catch 75 balls. No garbage all four guys can't catch 75 balls in a season, has that ever even happened in NFL history?

I'm trying to say that any of those guys have the POTENTIAL to lead the team in receiving and catch 75+ passes. The more I think about it, the less I realize I know about Nanee because he is new to the team. Thats why I changed my mind and said I think he would max out at about 55-60. I know that Johnson is new to the team too, but I know much more about his work ethic and abilities.

Please show me where I was putting you down for giving me a detailed answer. I was simply pointing out it is kind of skewed to show guys average catches per year when they were previously backups, and now getting the chance for a lot of reps.

I also wasn't attacking you by defining the word potential. I was trying to stress the point that if these guys have simply decent years they will not catch 75 passes. They need to play to the best of their ability. (Which I have seen Hartline due under the radar with limited chances.)
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Posted: 7/30/2012 12:09:22 AM
Dolphins are garbage, embrace it, move on and save yourself some money.
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Posted: 7/30/2012 5:09:03 PM
Sorry earthWake, it's one of those things when one reads something, and they interpret it one way while the person who wrote it meant it in another way. My apologies. When I read your response I interpreted you defining potential as an insult because its pretty common knowledge IMO.

Perhaps I did the same with your 75 catch statement. When you said all of them have the potential to receive 75 catches, I didn't think you meant all 4 in one year (Which i agree, is rather obvious that it would not happen). You stated somewhere before in this forum saying on paper they won't blow you away but have the ability to catch 75 balls. The research was more to give any average person an understanding of the previous results/experiences of the four players you listed. Then I just gave my opinion on the data and what not. I based my opinion off the stats, due to I don't follow/watch the dolphins that much. You probably have a better idea but regardless, I still can only see Bess and CJ as the only candidates to achieve this goal.
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Posted: 7/30/2012 5:19:25 PM
Slumdog, I appreciate the time, effort and thought you put into your response. Its much more refreshing to read something useful than your run of the mill "Dolphins sucks, Pats are #1 or any gibberish pulled clear feels like typing for the day.

I have always been very high on Bess, but he has had very little value being a slot receiver in a team who always runs two receiver sets. I expect him to have a pretty big year and establish himself as a known guy around the league to your average fan.

Hartline is underated pure and simple. He isn't very talkk, isn't very fast and is white and somehow makes play after player when the ball is thrown his way. He is currently the receiver I trust the most on the Fins..Hopefully he can get enough looks where he can shine.

My opinion on CJ is all about opinion. I just feel he was in a really bad situation last year with NE. For some reason Belechek likes the unknown players over some stars (CJ, Haynesworth, Addai.) There is no denying CJ had an awful year last year. However a change in scenery and the desire to work hard can make all the difference between a good and bad year.

All of this is speculation and opinion until the games are played. CJ could go out and catch 80 balls for 1100 yards and 10 TDs or he could catch 20 balls for 300 yards and be a non factor.

We will see. 
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Posted: 7/30/2012 7:52:30 PM
Facts are gibberish?  
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Posted: 7/30/2012 8:15:11 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by pulledclear:

Facts are gibberish?  

The only facts you mention in this thread are the following.

1 - The year the Fins won the East, they had the same record as the Patriots.

2 - David Garrard's record when he started full 16 games. (Convenient how you left out the last full year he was a starter. He threw for 23 and 15 while having the Jags 8-6 going into a week 16 division game that could have won the division.)


Considering you posted 4 or 5 times in this thread, I'd expect more. This thread is irrelevant. If the Dolphins go 5-11, you would somehow bump this thread to congratulate yourself. If the Dolphins made a wildcard birth, even if this thread was bumped you wouldn;t re-enter. It's a win win for you.


Btw - The year the fins "won" the east, they finished the season 9-1 in their last 10 and 5-0 in their last 5...I think thats deserving of a division title.
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Posted: 7/30/2012 9:44:47 PM
 Good luck. Your optimism s a FAN is admirable ,as a bettor I deal with reality and probability.
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Posted: 7/31/2012 5:27:23 PM
I actually have a fantastic read on the Phins from week to week. If I don't like them I will let people know, but I won't bet against them. 

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Posted: 8/11/2012 11:49:44 PM
"as a Dolphins fan, I'm much more excited to see Chad Johnson than anything. I think he still has some greatness in him. Some athletes need to feel like they have something to prove to be great. I feel Johnson is one of these guys. "


Well that didnt take long.
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Posted: 8/11/2012 11:53:18 PM

Dolphins receiver Chad Johnson was arrested Saturday on a domestic violence charge, accused of head-butting his newlywed wife during an argument in front of their home outside Miami.

Johnson and his wife, Evelyn Lozada, were at dinner and she confronted him about a receipt she had found for a box of condoms, said Davie police Capt. Dale Engle. The argument got heated and continued on the drive home, he said.

When they arrived in their driveway in Davie, the 34-year-old Johnson head-butted Lozada, she told police. Lozada, who is on the reality show, "Basketball Wives," was treated at a hospital for a cut to her forehead, Engle said.

Johnson, who changed his last name back to Johnson from Ochocinco after his July 4 wedding to Lozada, was being held Saturday night in Broward County Jail where he will remain until he can appear before a judge, which Engle says might not be until Monday. He is charged with simple battery, domestic violence, which is a misdemeanor.

Team officials were "aware of the situation and are in the process of gathering of relevant information," Dolphins spokesman Harvey Greene said.




Im STUNNED!
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Posted: 8/12/2012 10:49:34 AM
pulled clear is the biggest dbag on covers.

Dude was actually bumping threads to congratulate himself AFTER 1 PRE-SEASON quarter.

Why don't you do the site a favor and post plays so we can all fade you, or do everyone a favor and bounce
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Posted: 8/12/2012 12:43:59 PM
sorry for the harsh words. I was out all last night and didn't learn about Johnson until this morning. Needless to say I'm disappointed at CJ.

That being said I will wait until the facts come out. I find it hard to believe that a guy who has a lot to lose is just going to head-butt his new wife. To me it seems like they were having an argument and butted heads on accident. I may be wrong but that scenario makes the most sense.

My first thought was he was going to be cut. I hope not but thats what I think will happen. With or without him, I am excited to see the Dolphins young receiving core turn heads and exceed expectation. 
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Posted: 8/12/2012 12:52:10 PM
i am a huge miami fan and what i just heard ruined my friggin day!!!!!
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Posted: 8/12/2012 1:00:28 PM
As A Fins & Canes Fan, Watching Him Play Live, THIS KID IS A STUD, And If I Know Our Fins Team, They Will Let Him Go And He Will Still Be A Stud For Another Team
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Posted: 8/12/2012 4:48:57 PM
Chad "washed up Ocho Stinko" Johnson , YOUR MAN OF GREATNESS, head buts a woman and IM the bad guy! 
Get a clue.
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Posted: 8/12/2012 6:49:01 PM
I've been married for 35 years and had 100's of arguments with the wife.Thank God I never head butted her.I do feel bad for Chad Johnson this could be the end of his football carreer this guy could be the next Dennis Rodman.I hope not.
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Posted: 8/12/2012 9:00:34 PM
Earth WAKE UP 

Released from jail earlier in the day, Chad Johnson has now been released from the Miami Dolphins, too.

This according to FOX Sports NFL insider Jay Glazer, who reported Sunday the team has parted ways with the wide receiver, one day after Johnson was arrested on charges of domestic assault for allegedly headAnd just like that, Johnson's stint in Miami is over in the most stunning of fashions.

Earlier in the day, Dolphins coach Joe Philbin told reporters he had yet to speak with Johnson but planned on doing so sooner rather later. No word on if that meeting took place or how Johnson was informed of the team's decision.

Just two days ago, the 34-year-old veteran was sitting atop the Dolphins' wide receiver depth chart, ready to begin a promising comeback. Now his career could very well be over.

If nothing else, this will make for an intriguing episode this week on HBO's Hard Knocks.-butting his wife.


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Posted: 8/12/2012 10:14:13 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by pulledclear:

Earth WAKE UP 

Released from jail earlier in the day, Chad Johnson has now been released from the Miami Dolphins, too.

This according to FOX Sports NFL insider Jay Glazer, who reported Sunday the team has parted ways with the wide receiver, one day after Johnson was arrested on charges of domestic assault for allegedly headAnd just like that, Johnson's stint in Miami is over in the most stunning of fashions.

Earlier in the day, Dolphins coach Joe Philbin told reporters he had yet to speak with Johnson but planned on doing so sooner rather later. No word on if that meeting took place or how Johnson was informed of the team's decision.

Just two days ago, the 34-year-old veteran was sitting atop the Dolphins' wide receiver depth chart, ready to begin a promising comeback. Now his career could very well be over.

If nothing else, this will make for an intriguing episode this week on HBO's Hard Knocks.-butting his wife.



What the FK do you mean wake up? - Because I was excited to see a guy play before he abused his wife? Was I suppose to know he was going to headbutt his wife.

Seriously, you are the only person on this entire site who annoys me. congrats. You say that you don't care about the Fins but you continue to post in these threads with nothing but gibberish and emotiocons.

Get over your-self. The Dolphins are my favorite team and I said they would play mediocre football and expected an 8-8 season. I'm excited to see them play because they have a bunch of young, underated players. OH MY GOD I NEED TO WAKE UP!!!

Who is your favorite team? Let me guess. By you narcissistic, annoying personality, I would bet that you like one of the top-tier teams in the league you front-running afterthought 

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Posted: 8/12/2012 10:45:24 PM
Woah! Calm down dude. If you want to get personal lets take it to the PB im not attacking you. According to YOU Im narcissistic and annoying, but Chad Johnson has greatness. Good luck with that!

My favorite team is who ever I have money on. Im neutral and I certainly dont worship a bunch of overpaid illiterates.
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Posted: 8/12/2012 10:52:22 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by pulledclear:

 According to YOU Im narcissistic and annoying, but Chad Johnson has greatness. Good luck with that!


Chad Johnson is a 6 time pro-bowler.

You talk garbage on an internet forum.

Hmm..Which one of those two guys who you say has greatness?
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Posted: 8/12/2012 11:09:01 PM
Chad Johnson is a JOKE! Not according to them. I LOVE THIS CLIP!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MHXTERHY1s&feature=relmfu 


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Still running their GREAT mouths at 2-8!! Priceless.

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