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Posted: 8/2/2012 7:15:24 AM
Patriots & Green Bay in super bowl at end of season.Patriots will win atleast 13 games easy.Bol everyone....
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Posted: 8/2/2012 11:54:19 PM
My local has New England o/u 12 wins (over -120), Tampa o/u 6 wins (over -130), Buffalo 8 win (under -125) and the Browns is the same. Any of these make a difference to you since I have them a little different then you. I can't take the Browns, since I'm a fan but sorry DoubleUp i like Buffalo under the 8. There just like Cleveland, a lot hype early then disappoint at the end. Wouldn't be surprised if NE wins exactly 12. My favorite future bet is Falcons to win the South +125 and over 9.5 wins (over even). They are the same team, gelling more than any team and Matty Ice really wants to prove that he can get over the hump. I see them winning 10-11...any thoughts. Thanks and GL to you bro
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Posted: 8/3/2012 3:26:48 PM
"The more I continue to look, the more I am starting to like Cincy. They have a relatively easy schedule and building on young talent.

I like the addition of law firm and their o/u is set at 8. I'm interested to hear what your thoughts on the Bengals are."
 
  Frankly, I think the law firm wasn't that good of an addition and Bengals were better off signing Benson. BGE was a so so ball carrier and a goal line back. It's hard to believe he'll get as many chances to score on this team. This is one position they're lacking in young talent.     
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Posted: 8/3/2012 8:15:42 PM
capskip: Thanks for the thoughtful and valuable addition to the thread.

CDuff: In a 16 game season, those half or even full game differences can be enormous. So it's very easy to say that I don't like any of the new lines nearly as much as when I took them. Honestly, I'm not sure I'd take any of them with those lines. As I've said a lot, I like to have very strong opinions in order to lock up money for the whole season, win or lose. There's an opportunity cost (essentially extra juice) built into long term bets, and I'm reluctant to just take plays that I only kind of believe will win. 

If you like the Buffalo under, there is enormous value getting the push at 8 wins. That being said, you're going way against the grain on this one.

As far as the Falcons go, I just can't get behind this team. I don't like their backfield at all, and although I love Julio and Roddy, they have no depth at WR and I think that Gonzo is over the hill. I also have a hard time believing that Ryan can put this team on his back like they seem to plan to do. Just not a believer. Add to the fact that all three teams in that division are competitive and I have a hard time putting any money on them at those short odds. Their schedule is TOUGH. 

They could EASILY go 3-3 in division (they even have 3 of their 4 toughest division games in a row!) and they have 

@KC (Arrowhead is a tough place to play, and Ryan is not a great road QB to begin with), 
DEN (Peyton in a dome is still Peyton in a dome), 
@SD (SD should be at least 3-4 point favorites, and I'm kind of liking them this year), 
@WAS (I expect RGIII home games to get wild, still Ryan on the road), 
OAK (should win this one), 
@PHI (ESPECIALLY after last year's luckfest win, the Eagles should be even tougher to beat this year), 
DAL (coin flip), 
AZ (should win), 
NYG (coin flip)
@DET (If the Lions live up to potential, the Falcons will get dominated...if they have the same issues as last year, coin flip)

Basically, I am almost talking myself into the under 9.5

mischkin: I'm pretty much in agreement about the Law Firm hate, but I don't think they were better off signing Benson.
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Posted: 8/3/2012 10:20:54 PM
Werker...great work dude and thanks for the advice. Walked me right out my Falcons' logic. Leaning Buffalo under as my first bet and looking into Dallas over 9 wins. Thanks again
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Posted: 8/4/2012 2:24:43 AM

Mischkin04, if you are willing, drop about $12.50 on Football Outsiders 2012 Almanac. I thought they had an excellent write up on the Bengals - lots of things to consider. Just off the top of my head here are some of the points they mentioned.

Bengals need to add a quality second WR to compliment A.J. Green and free him up from tons of double and triple teams.

Bengals are breaking in two new guards which might be a bit of a challenge.

B.J. Green Ellis adds dependability (no fumbles) but little in the way of fireworks. Football Outsiders believe outside of Green and Gresham the offense will lack explosiveness.

Dalton might take a step back this year. He lacks arm strength and was only 17-49 on his deep balls outside the numbers. Also Dalton finished with a 59.3 percent completion ratio.

In 2011 the Bengals were 0-8 vs. playoff teams and 9-0 vs. non-playoff teams.

Last year the Bengals were relatively healthy and were 13th in the league in Adjusted Games Lost due to injuries.

As for the defense, they are really deep on the defensive line, but I wonder how Leon Hall (their best DB) will bounce back from achilles tendon surgery - that's a tough injury to bounce back from.

Can the Bengals put together two consecutive seasons of reaching the playoffs? Their track record says no and there has always been questions abound about the front office - winning starts from the top.

Anyways, please do your own due diligence with regards to the stats provided because I haven't double checked them. I'd love to hear anybody else's opinion on the Bengals. I find it a pretty interesting situation.

I leave you with a direct quote from the Almanac about the Bengals:

Schedule strength has been the main driver in the Bengals’ ups and downs. With four annual games against Baltimore and Pittsburgh, it behooves Cincinnati to gorge on the league’s cotton candy. In 2010, the Bengals went 1-7 against the AFC East and NFC South, and ended up with one of the ten hardest schedules in DVOA history. Last season, the schedule roulette wheel landed on "easy" and the Bengals fattened up on the AFC South and the NFC West, going 6-2. Overall, the Bengals took the phrase "borderline playoff team" to ridiculous extremes, winning all nine games against opponents that missed the postseason tournament, while losing all eight they played against playoff-bound opposition, including the loss in the wild card game at Houston.

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Posted: 8/4/2012 12:01:36 PM
Werker:

Thoughts on San Diego +2500 to win super bowl? I see your last post stating you like them this year.

I think odds that big, it's a great investment because you can guarantee yourself money once/if they make playoffs.
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Posted: 8/4/2012 12:17:12 PM

always a good read and great isight,,lets hav a great yr.

 

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Posted: 8/5/2012 4:54:17 PM
CDuff: Always happy to discuss football. One thing I have learned for sure though is that some preseason predictions are going to just be made to look silly once everything plays out. It's inevitable in this league. Especially considering people usually look past injuries/upgrades/downgrades to the offensive lines and defenses that can play seriously play into w/l records and make people look wrong about the skill position players people actually talk about.

I'm just staying away from the NFC East...I can't get a read on that division in terms of the full season for the life of me. I think every single team has improved from last year, but I have yet to interpret to any degree of satisfaction how that's going to play out. You should know that Cowboys o8.5 -135 is available out there, so I'd shop around before placing a o9 bet. That half game could EASILY be the difference.

Shiva: Always love having you here, usually sporting some solid stats and/or viewpoints, and not afraid to defer to experts. I'm inclined to do the same with regard to this situation. I can't argue with any of the points made. In fact, I may have to stop drafting AJ Green at the beginning of the 3rd round in my fantasy mocks. (But he's SO good.) I do remember citing the fact about the Bengals beating non-playoff teams and losing to playoff teams late in the season last year when I was fading them, possibly in my Texans pick in the 1st round. They definitely have a major talent in AJ Green, and Dalton has major potential. They seem to be middle of the road at almost every other position, with a few very talented guys sprinkled in the lines and defense. Definitely a story to watch in the next few years. 

monkee: I do like the Chargers, and will not be surprised to find myself backing them more than once throughout the year, but I can't really support them for the Super Bowl at only 25/1 odds. They're going to have to show me that they've been able to maintain their underrated defense, and that their offense is everything it can be (meaning Mathews maintains his upside weeks from last year, Rivers looks healthy, and the loss of VJax isn't too much to reduce his effectiveness). I can't see this number dropping much early in the year, so maybe I'd take them after these questions look answered, but definitely not right now. 

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Posted: 8/11/2012 12:06:15 PM

Werker, thanks for the thumbs up! I've got NFL game pass and had a chance to watch the first quarter of Friday night's games. Here are some quick thoughts.

Atlanta's passing game looked in mid-season form and if J. Jones stays healthy he could have a monster year.

Philadelphia's defense looked really undisciplined - penalties, coverage breakdowns, and poor tackling and this is after the Eagles have ran a tough no nonsense training camp.

N.E. rookie C. Jones looks like an excellent first round pick for the Pats.

The Steelers are starting a rookie OT M. Adams and I thought he looked really poor in pass protection. M. Kendricks the Eagles first round draft pick looks very athletic and should be a solid contributor this season.

Also, I think the Chargers are heading in the right direction. They have brought a ton of free agents in and are trying to change the culture of the club. Their first round pick, Ingram, looks very athletic and has had a great camp which should help SD in the pressure department.

Anyways, just some random thoughts from day one of the preseason. It's early so we will see if some of these trends hold up.

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Posted: 8/11/2012 12:23:44 PM

WERKER... I have STL under 6 wins for the year, at +105

Can't see them getting to 4 wins, nevermind 6...!!!

Thanks for the great work

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Posted: 8/11/2012 1:37:44 PM
Shiva: Yeah, I paid the 20 bucks for the online access to preseason. So I've seen a few games, though not all yet. Totally agree about Julio. Man, that guy looks dangerous. He's jumped a full round in fantasy drafts since that game, so the secret's out.

 Haven't watched any of the Eagles/Steelers game, so I'll keep an eye out for what you were talking about. Without seeing it yet, I will say that O-lines generally take awhile to gel, and a rook integrating into a less than stellar unit seems VERY likely to have some issues at the start and especially against one of the best pass rush units in the league, so don't judge him too harshly. Also, tackling issues with the Eagles defense are nothing new, though I'm surprised to hear that their coverage broke down. They should have a strong secondary. They definitely have talent there.

Yeah, the Pats defense as a whole looked great. Anytime you can hold the Saints to two straight 3 and outs, you're doing something right. 

The Chargers were already a great defensive unit. Adding three defensive guys with their first three picks (Ingram, Reyes and Taylor all project to be starters) and signing Meachem to fill in for VJax is great. The biggest offensive improvement though is a HEALTHY Gates, which could be all the difference in the world. Rivers has proven he can produce with just about any receivers on the field (Ajirotutu anyone?). I like this team this year, but that division actually looks competitive this year. 

JUNKN: I've already said I'm not taking a side on this, but I think you're crazy for liking the under that much. They could get to four wins against just the Cards and Seahawks. The Rams are actually kind of a sneaky pick to make the playoffs at 8-8. I'm not kidding when I say they could get to 5-1 in division. It all depends on if that defense can stop anyone now that they're relatively healthy. The only games I think they have almost no shot at winning are @DET, @CHI, GB, NE, @SF.
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Posted: 8/11/2012 2:44:11 PM
I can only seeing them win games against SEA @ home, MINNY and T-BAY, with maybe beating ARI @ home...With having to go to MIA and BUF(in the snow, no doubt), and with the 5 teams you mentioned along with The SKINS... they have to win 7 of 8 to beat me... Thanks for your insight, greatly appreciated
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Posted: 8/17/2012 9:11:15 PM

From 2004-2010 nineteen teams have finished with 13 or more wins. All nineteen teams finished with fewer victories the next season. Infact, the average decline in victories was 4.1 games from 13.5 wins to 9.4 wins. Last year Green Bay, New England, New Orleans, and S.F. won 13 or more games. Any opinions on which of these clubs will take a step backward this season?

NE  2010    14   2011  13  (-1)
IND 2007    13   2008  13  (-1)
IND 2005    14   2006  12  (-2)
NO  2009    13   2010  11  (-2)
SD  2006    14   2007  11  (-3)
ATL 2010   13   2011  10  (-3)
PIT 2004    15   2005  11  (-4)
IND 2009   14   2010  10  (-4)
NE  2004   14   2005  10   (-4)
DEN 2005 13   2006  9  (-4)
SEA 2005  13  2006  9  (-4)
DAL 2007  13  2008  9  (-4)
SD   2009  13  2010  9 (-4)
NE  2007   16  2008  11 (-5)
TEN 2008  13   2009   8  (-5)
CHI  2006  13   2007  7  (-6)
GB 2007    13    2008  6    (-7)
PHI 2004   13    2005  6   (-7) 

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Posted: 8/18/2012 1:45:33 PM

Just watching the first half of the SAINTS-JAGUARS game and the JAGS running game is looking really good despite the fact that they are missing several starters from their offensive line and MJD. Just off what I've seen in the last couple of preseason games it looks like Gabbert is going to take a step up this year. I'm not saying he's going to be spectacular but better than the Gabbert 2011 version. JAGS defense is pretty good so an improved offense could lead to them surprising some people. Any opinions?

What teams have caught your eyes, good or bad, this preseason?

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Posted: 8/18/2012 2:12:41 PM
Min u/6 wins. They should be battling for the number one pick next year.
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Posted: 8/18/2012 2:21:27 PM

Gabbert 13-16 112 yd 0 ints

If JAGS can establish running game and take the pressure off of Gabbert ...

Blackmon looks pretty good good underneath catching the ball in traffic and scoring a TD - dependable hands

Nothing much from L. Robinson - he's the deep threat, right?

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Posted: 8/18/2012 9:27:03 PM

Vagomach, I just watched the first half of the Bills-Vikings game and Minny's first teamers looked pretty good. It's going to be an important year for Ponder and he looked good tonight going 10-13 136 yards 1 td and no pics.

As for the offense, the addition of Simpson helps, the OL is very solid and Kalil has looked really good so far, Ponder should be better, Harvin is explosive, and Gerhart is a really good back. I guess the big question is how will Peterson perform coming off both ACL and MCL surgery. Also, look for Kyle Rudolph to emerge as a big part of this offense.

On defense they led the league in sacks last year and still managed to get shredded through the air. I don't know where the improvement is going to come from on defense. The only new face I see is safety Harrison Smith who looked pretty good against Buffalo. They have pretty tough sledding within the division and allowed an average of 32 PPG against Chicago, Green Bay, and Detroit.

Anyways, here is an interesting STAT I came across: Ponder was the highest rated QB (114.3) in the redzone last year - go figure.

Anyways, if you took the U6, good luck.

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Shiva: I don't really see any of those teams taking too far a step back. I wouldn't be at all surprised if SF and NO take bigger steps back than GB and NE. 

I haven't watched the Jags yet, but I have heard that Jennings looks good. Looks like MJD has about no chance to get more money. I'd still be shocked if they got to 8-8, but really don't see them vying for the #1 pick. 

I've been impressed with IND, CAR, DET, ATL, NYG, CHI, and STL. Teams that I like less than two weeks ago are DAL, SD, PIT, NYJ, BUF. Everyone else has pretty much stayed status quo in my mind. 

I'm not sure about Minny. A lot depends on the health of AP. I don't hate them. Rough division though. I'd be surprised if they win a single game in division. 


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Posted: 8/22/2012 2:27:13 AM

Werker, I read a superb article at Grantland.com that made the case that the Denver Broncos will be a team in decline this year. Check it out at the link below and tell me what you think.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8254748/peyton-manning-enough-make-denver-contender

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Posted: 8/22/2012 12:25:01 PM
I am surprised no one mentioned the following possibilities:

Dolphins under 7 wins - only good player (Brandon Marshall) good and new coach and who's the QB?  I know they have an easy schedule, but how ill they even get near 7 wins?

Browns under 5 1/2 wins - look at their schedule, it's brutal.  When was the last time they won a division game and they also play the NFC East this year.  4 wins might be a miracle.

I love under 6 wins for Vikings, esp. with the status of Peterson unknown, but this was mentioned.  I would absolutely love the Bears over 9 wins, if I just could know that Cutler wouldn't get hurt, they are really loaded with talent, even without him you should have at least a good chance for at least a push.  As for the Bills, if they beat the Jets in NJ in game one, that will set the tone for the season for both teams.
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Posted: 8/22/2012 2:54:35 PM

Howzuck, I agree with you on the Dolphins. They have a new coaching staff and are installing new schemes on both sides of the ball. Do they have the receivers to run the west coast offense? They've decided to go with Tannehill which could spell big problems especially with the lack of surrounding talent. I see them having problems moving the ball through the air and stopping opposing passing attacks.

I really like the point you made about the Jets-Bills opener.

I see Denver at 9.0 under -110 which looks enticing. Football Outsiders grades the Broncos schedule to be the toughest in the NFL and the AFC WEST is on the upswing. The Broncos lost both starting DT to free agency and their veteran leader at safety, Brian Dawkins, retired. It might take a while for Manning and his new cast of receivers to get on the same page.

Another thing to consider is D.J. Williams, a key cog in their defense, is facing a six game suspension for P.E.D. and it's possible that Dummervil might have a date in the commisioners office. Last year their O.L. escaped the injury bug and was intact for the whole season, but alreay they've lost C. Kuper for a significant amount of time.

They've added quite a few free agents on defense but Football Outsiders seems to think none of these players are world beaters and goes on to question their draft strategy which indicates the team is in a rebuilding mode, not a win now mentality, which you would think would be the approach with the signing of an aging Peyton Manning.

Other factors seem to work against the Broncos. They won a load of close games against middling competition and the long term numbers say this will be difficult to duplicate.

Von Miller, is a spectacular pass rusher. No argument there! But there is a historical precedent for players coming off similar seasons to regress in their second year.

No doubt this is an interesting situation to keep an eye on.

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QUOTE Originally Posted by howzuck:

I am surprised no one mentioned the following possibilities:

Dolphins under 7 wins - only good player (Brandon Marshall) good and new coach and who's the QB?  I know they have an easy schedule, but how ill they even get near 7 wins?



If your level of thinking is this basic, you are simply flipping a coin on your picks.
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Posted: 8/22/2012 6:46:33 PM
that Bears bet is by far the most intriguing and profitable.....could very well hit........
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Posted: 8/22/2012 7:32:50 PM
earthWake: If I can remember correctly, you are a Dolphins fan. What's your take on the decision to go with Tannehill? I haven't had a chance to see him play - college or pros? I thought Matt Moore did a really good job with the FINS last year. He's never been known as a practice player and I heard he didn't look good in camp this year. I guess the coaching staff feels he is a poor fit for the west coast offense.
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