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#76 Posted: 11/15/2011 3:02:35 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by Mr.BobDobalina: He is an anomaly. The kid just knows how to win and his teammates rally behind him. The wowsy wowsy woo woo attitude of Orton was killing this team.
The defense did win the KC game though, Broncos pass rush ain't no joke with a healthy Dumervil and Von Miller on both edges.
Yup, this looks like a completely different team with Tebow. They looked like they were on life support with Orton. |
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#77 Posted: 11/15/2011 3:04:50 AM “Tebow will never be a first round pick.”
“Tebow will never be a starting NFL QB.”
“Tebow will never win games as an NFL QB.”
“Tebow may have won a couple of games, but he can’t keep winning.”
Every time Tebow proves his haters wrong rather than man up and admit they were wrong they up their claims.
Maybe they should just say that Tebow won’t win league MVP this season so they can finally get one right. |
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#78 Posted: 11/15/2011 2:28:43 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by StraightShooter:
Some people love to focus on how Tebow hasn’t beaten any good teams while failing to mention that Tebow plays on a garbage team. With the way some people act you would think Tebow took over an offense loaded with talent.
I mean seriously: what offensive weapons does this kid have to use?
Hell, during his last win Denver lost their top 2 running backs in the first quarter.
I'm not of the belief that there are "bad wins" in the NFL. I.E. beating a few shitty teams does not discount what someone does.
I am of the belief that a really good, quality defense can overshadow an average to below average offense. I'm not knocking Tebow because he completed only 2 passes against the Chiefs.
I'm just not ready to call the kid a winner yet after 4 games this season and 2 or 3 last season. The potential is there for him to be a real winner and leader. You can just see a different attitude and mentality with the Broncos under Tebow as oppose to Orton.
I thought they should have started Tebow all season. Even if he isn't "your guy"(Fox's/Elways draft choice) I still think you should play him if the organization spent a 1st round pick on him.
But let's not confuse Tebow being on a winning team and Tebow leading his team to victory. Like I said before, Trent Dilfer is a Super Bowl winning QB. But I wouldn't say Trent Dilfer led his team to a Super Bowl. Ray Lewis and the Defense did that. |
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#79 Posted: 11/15/2011 3:42:54 PM Dilfer was backed by one of the best defenses in NFL history.
Tebow is backed by a defense that is ranked 29th in the NFL this season. |
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#80 Posted: 11/16/2011 1:09:18 AM
Like I said, let's give this thing for than 4 games to see how it plays out.
I actually believe he can be a productive NFL QB. |
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#81 Posted: 11/16/2011 1:26:49 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by Ktrain: Tebow has also guided his offense to more than 20 points once this season.
Like I said, let's give this thing for than 4 games to see how it plays out.
I actually believe he can be a productive NFL QB.
Agreed, I’m just not sure why you are acting like Denver has a “really good, quality defense” that is backing Tebow when the fact of the matter is they are ranked 29th in the NFL.
Also if Denver went 0-4 in Tebow’s starts you can bet your behind all the Tebow haters would be blaming it all on him (whether it was his fault or not).
Yet these same people refuse to give Tebow any credit when he leads a garbage team to victory on the road 3 times in a row.
So in a nutshell: if Tebow fails its 100% on him and if Tebow succeeds its 100% due to other people.
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#82 Posted: 11/16/2011 1:36:04 AM
darn tebow
hes not a nfl qb.
its an experiment right now
this is the nfl, expect teams who shouldnt win, win.
8 passes in the last game?
denver offense is like a 6th grade team
kansas city sucks
oakland is not that good.
got beat 10 to 45 at home vs the lions, lmao
miami lost the game, another horrible team
tebow will come back to .500 or below, only 7 more games to go
jets ... loss
chargers ... loss
at minnesota ... loss
chicago ... loss
new england ... loss
at buffalo ... losss
kansas city ... (maybe a win)
so 6 losses to come, maybe 1 win ...
4 - 7 as a starter, 7 weeks from now
tebow zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
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#83 Posted: 11/16/2011 2:10:25 AM
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#84 Posted: 11/16/2011 9:29:23 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by joemw74: the 3 wins vs who? all suck behind team
darn tebow
hes not a nfl qb.
its an experiment right now
this is the nfl, expect teams who shouldnt win, win.
8 passes in the last game?
denver offense is like a 6th grade team
kansas city sucks
oakland is not that good.
got beat 10 to 45 at home vs the lions, lmao
miami lost the game, another horrible team
tebow will come back to .500 or below, only 7 more games to go
jets ... loss
chargers ... loss
at minnesota ... loss
chicago ... loss
new england ... loss
at buffalo ... losss
kansas city ... (maybe a win)
so 6 losses to come, maybe 1 win ...
4 - 7 as a starter, 7 weeks from now
tebow zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Interesting how you completely omit the fact that Tebow plays on a suck team with almost no offensive weapons and a defense that ranks 29th in the NFL.
The fact of the matter is Tebow lead a terrible 1-4 team to 3 straight road wins. I don’t care who they played, that is impressive.
Also as a starter this season Tebow has a TD/turnover ratio of 9:1.
Besides Aaron Rodgers I don’t think there is a starting NFL QB with a better ratio this season. If there is, please post him. 
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#85 Posted: 11/16/2011 10:12:40 AM wow he completed a whole 2 passes.. every qb on a nfl,cfl,ufl roster could have done the same and more i'm sure.
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#86 Posted: 11/16/2011 10:40:52 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by JasonBay:
wow he completed a whole 2 passes.. every qb on a nfl,cfl,ufl roster could have done the same and more i'm sure.
Does every NFL QB have a TD/turnover ratio of 9:1 or better?
Besides Aaron Rodgers this season, post another one.
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#87 Posted: 11/16/2011 11:06:01 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by StraightShooter:
Yeah, his passing stats are pretty bad, but it’s still impressive to take over as the starting QB of a 1-4 team and then have a 3-1 record.
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i agree that is impressive. I think tebow is a good role model and he seems like a good guy but i just think the wheels are going to come off soon, his team is really bad. They dont have a lot of weapons on this team. I still dont think tebow is going to be a first string QB in this league in a couple years, maybe even next year.. |
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#88 Posted: 11/16/2011 11:07:19 AM again, im not a hater, i will agree that tebow has done amazing getting them to 3-1 with him at the helm considering how shitty denver is... |
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#89 Posted: 11/16/2011 11:13:20 AM any qb completing less than 45% of his passes? name another one..
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#90 Posted: 11/16/2011 11:19:05 AM  Teblow
what a joke 2 completed passes. I'd hate to be a WR on for him !!
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#91 Posted: 11/16/2011 11:20:22 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by StraightShooter:
Agreed, I’m just not sure why you are acting like Denver has a “really good, quality defense” that is backing Tebow when the fact of the matter is they are ranked 29th in the NFL.
Also if Denver went 0-4 in Tebow’s starts you can bet your behind all the Tebow haters would be blaming it all on him (whether it was his fault or not).
Yet these same people refuse to give Tebow any credit when he leads a garbage team to victory on the road 3 times in a row.
So in a nutshell: if Tebow fails its 100% on him and if Tebow succeeds its 100% due to other people.
I just said that a good, quality defense can overshadow an average offense. I didn't say Denver had one. Although they have put up quality efforts in two of Tebows wins.
If Tebow was losing games 45-38 I would still be giving him credit for his performance. Clearly that would be the defenses fault.
I give him credit for winning under John Fox as well. I think that guy is a moron. I think if Tebow was able to learn under a quality coach in a stable in environment where there wasn't so much turnover in staff so far in his career he would be much further along. |
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#92 Posted: 11/16/2011 12:06:00 PM |
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#93 Posted: 11/16/2011 12:06:09 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by JasonBay:
any qb completing less than 45% of his passes? name another one..
"Does every NFL QB have a TD/turnover ratio of 9:1 or better?
Besides Aaron Rodgers this season, post another one."
Still waiting. |
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#94 Posted: 11/16/2011 12:20:20 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by Bodogjoe:
heard tim tebo can t lose any more games den gos to superbowl and wins ....take den at 400 to 1 to win it all.......YEA RIGHT HEIS SO F NN LUCKY.....JETS POUND HIM SUNDAY THE LINE SHOULD BE JETS MINUS 12.5
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#95 Posted: 11/16/2011 12:22:02 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by Ducati:
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what a joke 2 completed passes. I'd hate to be a WR on for him !!
His WRs might not like it, but his teammates and especially Denver fans would much rather have a QB that completes 10 passes a game with a TD/TO ratio of 9:1 and just finds ways to win games over a QB that completes about 18 passes a game with a TD/TO ratio of 8:9 and just finds ways to lose games. |
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#96 Posted: 11/16/2011 12:27:16 PM
Name me a running QB that has won a SB pls.
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#97 Posted: 11/16/2011 12:28:43 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by Ktrain:
I just said that a good, quality defense can overshadow an average offense. I didn't say Denver had one. Although they have put up quality efforts in two of Tebows wins.
If Tebow was losing games 45-38 I would still be giving him credit for his performance. Clearly that would be the defenses fault.
I give him credit for winning under John Fox as well. I think that guy is a moron. I think if Tebow was able to learn under a quality coach in a stable in environment where there wasn't so much turnover in staff so far in his career he would be much further along.
It certainly seemed like that’s what you were saying in post #78.
But I do agree that if Tebow had a decent head coach and a team that was at least average he would be much further along.
People keep talking about the bad teams Tebow beat while completely failing to mention that Tebow PLAYS ON a bad team. Hell, they are so bad they were underdogs in all of his games.
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#98 Posted: 11/16/2011 12:42:32 PM “Tebow will never be a first round pick.”
“Tebow will never be a starting NFL QB.”
“Tebow will never win games as an NFL QB.”
“Tebow may have won a couple of games, but he can’t keep winning.”
“He may have success now but he’ll never lead Den to a SB.”
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#99 Posted: 11/16/2011 1:25:35 PM I dont hate the kid i actually cheer for him, anybody go around the world and minister in prisons and give all the credit to the lord is a true winner. I hope he does well this season. And i feel like he will beat the jets tomorrow night too. Denver +6 is the play here
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#100 Posted: 11/16/2011 1:33:44 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by mighty972011:
I dont hate the kid i actually cheer for him, anybody go around the world and minister in prisons and give all the credit to the lord is a true winner. I hope he does well this season. And i feel like he will beat the jets tomorrow night too. Denver +6 is the play here
Tebow has started 4 games this season all of which Denver was a dog.
He is 3-1 ATS and 3-1 SU.
Not a bad bet, IMO.
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