Why the Rooney Rule is a joke...

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Simple minded people will think I&#x27;m being racist here but w.e...A perfect example of why the Rooney Rule does more harm then good was in the case of the Dallas Cowboys. It was well known Jason Garett was going to be the next Cowboys coach, yet due to the Rooney Rule they interviewed Ray Sherman. Now lets be honest here. Ray Sherman never had a CHANCE at the job no matter what and we all know he was used as a token to simply satisfy the rule. It was simply a formality and no matter what happened, the job was Jason Garett&#x27;s. The Cowboys have every right to hire whoever they please, but why force them to bring in a black candidate when the entire world already knows who they are hiring? If I was Ray Sherman it would be a slap in the face, not an honor.

rangerz2478 · Answer

Simple minded people will think I&#x27;m being racist here but w.e...A perfect example of why the Rooney Rule does more harm then good was in the case of the Dallas Cowboys. It was well known Jason Garett was going to be the next Cowboys coach, yet due to the Rooney Rule they interviewed Ray Sherman. Now lets be honest here. Ray Sherman never had a CHANCE at the job no matter what and we all know he was used as a token to simply satisfy the rule. It was simply a formality and no matter what happened, the job was Jason Garett&#x27;s. The Cowboys have every right to hire whoever they please, but why force them to bring in a black candidate when the entire world already knows who they are hiring? If I was Ray Sherman it would be a slap in the face, not an honor.

mba3170 · Answer

It is a joke. If I were a minority candidate, this rule would piss me off because I&#x27;m simply getting the interview because the team is forced to do it.

daveyt25 · Answer

I don&#x27;t think it was intended to be a joke to the minority candidates.  It does give good experience for some of the up and coming head coaches, but it needs to be done with a purpose.  Mike Tomlin is the best example and it is ironic Rooney happens to be his employer.  When they brought in Tomlin, no one expected him to end up being the front runner for the job.  I think it suprised a lot of front office people for PIttsburgh.  They actually interviewed Ron Rivera before Tomlin so they had their minority "fullfillment" if you will.  The rise of minority coaches is up 6% since the rule came into effect.&#xD;&#xA;I think the rule was suppose to make all NFL teams look at all candidates available, including minority ones, before they announce their selection.  I think what you are starting to see are teams who already know what coach they intend on hiring and just bring in others to meet the rule.  That in itself is a waste but very difficult to correct.  I look at it this way, the rule is intended to address the racial disparity among head coaching positions, especially in the case of any kind of racial bias.  If one minority coach is hired because of this rule, it is a win....

RJSizzle · Answer

Which is exactly why Perry Fewell has turned down a few requests. He openly said he doesnt want to be interviewed just to meet some requirement. This is really a terrible rule. You should only interview serious candidates.

NoWorries21 · Answer

Go check out the thread in general discussion. I posted same thing.  Title was Tell me this isnt racism.

RJSizzle · Answer

You should have posted here, NoWorries. All the Jets fans have made this a fan forum instead of a gambling forum. We can thank them for being able read threads where they hose each other down. Yawn.

bob696969 · Answer

Completely and totally disagree!  &#xD;&#xA;The interview process is an important self-educational opportunity.  It allows a person to construct an organized presentation about themselves, learn about their weaknesses, how to communicate and articulate their strengths, and "network", eg meet people that can refer you to others and/or know people should future opportunities arise.  &#xD;&#xA;A good interview is an exchange of ideas and is a learning opportunity for both the interviewer and the interviewee.  &#xD;&#xA;The previsous paragraphs apply not just for football coaching interviews, but ANY job interview process.&#xD;&#xA;While the Rooney Rule was created at time when minorties were actively overlooked,  it still serves to help cultivate coaching talent and create awarness of coaching talent amongst "minorites".  In a sport where the majority of the players are "minorities", there is still a huge deficicency of minorites in coaching because of historical biases.&#xD;&#xA;The rule is only conisdered a sham by those haven&#x27;t taken a second to think about what the interview process actually entails, even if the candidate has "no chance" to get the job.&#xD;&#xA;rangerz2478 the only reason i even bothered to write this is because i know you are an intelligent and reasonable person (based on your posts about futures), so i look forward to your response....&#xD;&#xA;My advice to anyone reading this: ALWAYS accept an interview for a job opportunity, even if you don&#x27;t want the job, OR even if you know you have a small chance.  It is a unequivicol learning opportunity.

URISS2302 · Answer

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Bruuuuce78 · Answer

It is getting harder and harder to find jobs in the USA being white.....not even talking about football either

Nutter1313 · Answer

[Quote: Originally Posted by bob696969]  Completely and totally disagree!  &#xD;&#xA;The interview process is an important self-educational opportunity.  It allows a person to construct an organized presentation about themselves, learn about their weaknesses, how to communicate and articulate their strengths, and "network", eg meet people that can refer you to others and/or know people should future opportunities arise.  &#xD;&#xA;A good interview is an exchange of ideas and is a learning opportunity for both the interviewer and the interviewee.  &#xD;&#xA;The previsous paragraphs apply not just for football coaching interviews, but ANY job interview process.&#xD;&#xA;While the Rooney Rule was created at time when minorties were actively overlooked,  it still serves to help cultivate coaching talent and create awarness of coaching talent amongst "minorites".  In a sport where the majority of the players are "minorities", there is still a huge deficicency of minorites in coaching because of historical biases.&#xD;&#xA;The rule is only conisdered a sham by those haven&#x27;t taken a second to think about what the interview process actually entails, even if the candidate has "no chance" to get the job.&#xD;&#xA;rangerz2478 the only reason i even bothered to write this is because i know you are an intelligent and reasonable person (based on your posts about futures), so i look forward to your response....&#xD;&#xA;My advice to anyone reading this: ALWAYS accept an interview for a job opportunity, even if you don&#x27;t want the job, OR even if you know you have a small chance.  It is a unequivicol learning opportunity.  [/Quote]Excellent points.  The more experience you have in the interviewing process, the better prepared you&#x27;ll be when the right opportunity does come about.

KktdocT · Answer

The same rule applies in every single workplace.  It&#x27;s there but no one talks about it.

rangerz2478 · Answer

[Quote: Originally Posted by bob696969]  Completely and totally disagree!  &#xD;&#xA;The interview process is an important self-educational opportunity.  It allows a person to construct an organized presentation about themselves, learn about their weaknesses, how to communicate and articulate their strengths, and "network", eg meet people that can refer you to others and/or know people should future opportunities arise.  &#xD;&#xA;A good interview is an exchange of ideas and is a learning opportunity for both the interviewer and the interviewee.  &#xD;&#xA;The previsous paragraphs apply not just for football coaching interviews, but ANY job interview process.&#xD;&#xA;While the Rooney Rule was created at time when minorties were actively overlooked,  it still serves to help cultivate coaching talent and create awarness of coaching talent amongst "minorites".  In a sport where the majority of the players are "minorities", there is still a huge deficicency of minorites in coaching because of historical biases.&#xD;&#xA;The rule is only conisdered a sham by those haven&#x27;t taken a second to think about what the interview process actually entails, even if the candidate has "no chance" to get the job.&#xD;&#xA;rangerz2478 the only reason i even bothered to write this is because i know you are an intelligent and reasonable person (based on your posts about futures), so i look forward to your response....&#xD;&#xA;My advice to anyone reading this: ALWAYS accept an interview for a job opportunity, even if you don&#x27;t want the job, OR even if you know you have a small chance.  It is a unequivicol learning opportunity.  [/Quote]Bob, I can completely understand the interview experience aspect, trust me I do. But with that being said, an interview shouldn&#x27;t be done knowing there is nothing the candidate can possibly to do to get the job. The Rooney Rule in certain situations (like the Cowboys example) makes an absolute mockery of the system.

casheasy · Answer

I agree with bob6969 about the interviewing process being important for these candidates to get a future shot. So the rule works in some respect.

But just to fuck with the NFL, I would go to Mexico and get some guy napping in front of Tequila Rio's and interview him. Then watch the NFL go hommina hommina because they have to accept it as a minority candidate. LOL That would be awesome.

as I said before, I like the rule and its ability to get more minority candidates a chance to be seen and heard though. And the way this thread was started by rangerz has merit, because yes, there are guys that have zero chance getting interviewed, but there's no way around that unless the NFL wants to risk a lawsuit by an owner who feels forced to hire a black coach just because he's black.

Ap1Bfreetorun · Answer

Jason Garett was a coach-in-waiting for s few years, he was the heir apparent. To have to interview a minority coach was stupid if there was no chance of him being hired. It is a stupid rule but if it makes the NFL feel more politically correct just let it ride. Political correctness will soon be the law of the land. Dennis Green would not go on any of these "show up" interviews. I don't blame him. They should pay "expenses" for every coach they interview $2500 over their actual expenses.

KittyKatz286 · Answer

Great points by bob, but you&#x27;re looking at it from the incorrect perspective. If given the opportunity, yes I agree, you should always accept the interview as it is a valuable learning experience. The issue here is the reason behind the opportunity. The Rooney Rule shouldn&#x27;t exist in the first place. You shouldn&#x27;t be forced to interview someone you have no intention of hiring. It accomplishes nothing. Forcing a team to interview a minority candidate doesn&#x27;t make them any more likely to hire that man, it just creates an unnecessary burden on the team. In no way does it benefit the minority candidates other than as you said, the interview experience. The purpose of the rule is to increase the number of minority coaches and the rule absolutely does not accomplish this in any way.

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